The Official F1 2025 silly season *contains speculation*

[deadslow]

stemll said:

hondajack85 said:

Can understand if Lewis is held to his contract. Jumping in a direct competitors car early could help the development gain at least a month if he offers some insight to something they haven't thought of.
Ferrari letting sainz get in a williams probably means they dont expect them to push Ferrari down the order.
Of course they could just be typical overconfident we dont need newey italians lol.

Maybe they should let Lewis go to Ferrari now and take all of the W15 drawings with him. That should slow down Ferrari for 2025.

he's not released early from his Merc duties because there's two million sponsor things to do before he goes. He will be on a world tour of goodbye parties/photo opps, moreso probably than any previous driver in F1 history..

[The Hypno-Toad]

andburg said:

it's a big shout here but Grosjean is in a GM powered indy car and has F1 experience, as an outside shot, perhaps test/dev alongside indy he could well end up involved

If its going to be anyone from Indycar, it has to be Stingray Robb.

[Mark-C]

The Hypno-Toad said:

andburg said:

it's a big shout here but Grosjean is in a GM powered indy car and has F1 experience, as an outside shot, perhaps test/dev alongside indy he could well end up involved

If its going to be anyone from Indycar, it has to be Stingray Robb.

Maybe Cadillac will promote one of their youngsters from WEC ... Jenson Button maybe?

They have Will Stevens and Sebastien Bourdais in the car next years as well so spoilt for choice ...

[stemll]

Supersam83 said:

From the Austrian GP on the 30th June 2024 until last weekend's Las Vegas GP, there have been 12 winners in 12 races (7 different drivers from 4 teams).

So far this season:

Max winning 8 races.

Lando winning 3 races.

Leclerc winning 3 races.

Oscar winning 2 races.

Russell winning 2 races.

Sainz Jr winning 2 races.

Hamilton winning 2 races.

The 2025 season is shaping up to be a mega one!

Didn't Sky say in commentary that this is the first year that 7 drivers have won two races and also the first year that 4 teams have had a 1-2? Clearly, having a lot more races makes that more likely but it still shows how close it could have been had Red Bull (well, Max anyway) not got off to a flier at the start

[sidewinder500]

White-Noise said:

When was the last time a drivers' championship was won without the fastest car on season average? - Juha

1967, 1979, 1982, 1986, 1995, 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2009 comes to mind...

[Leithen]

Supersam83 said:

From the Austrian GP on the 30th June 2024 until last weekend's Las Vegas GP, there have been 12 winners in 12 races (7 different drivers from 4 teams).

So far this season:

Max winning 8 races.

Lando winning 3 races.

Leclerc winning 3 races.

Oscar winning 2 races.

Russell winning 2 races.

Sainz Jr winning 2 races.

Hamilton winning 2 races.

The 2025 season is shaping up to be a mega one!

I’m hoping for Sainz Snr winning one next year.

[vaud]

sidewinder500 said:

1967, 1979, 1982, 1986, 1995, 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2009 comes to mind...

2009? Brawn won 10/17 races. They had a great advantage in the first half, and was still top 3 in Monza and Abu Dhabi. On average I think they were faster.

[sidewinder500]

vaud said:

sidewinder500 said:

1967, 1979, 1982, 1986, 1995, 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2009 comes to mind...

2009? Brawn won 10/17 races. They had a great advantage in the first half, and was still top 3 in Monza and Abu Dhabi. On average I think they were faster.

According to f1-analysis.com in 2009 RedBull was faster, and it included 1983, where the Ferraris and the Renaults were faster than Brabham

[GCH]

andburg said:

it's a big shout here but Grosjean is in a GM powered indy car and has F1 experience, as an outside shot, perhaps test/dev alongside indy he could well end up involved

Has F1 experience.....causing crashes, including the one that nearly cooked him.
The absolute last thing F1 needs is that bloody liability back on the grid.

[MustangGT]

sidewinder500 said:

White-Noise said:

When was the last time a drivers' championship was won without the fastest car on season average? - Juha

1967, 1979, 1982, 1986, 1995, 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2009 comes to mind...

2018 and 2019 also come to mind when the Ferraris were faster than the MB.

[deadslow]

oh dear, has this become yet another sore loser thread?

[paulguitar]

deadslow said:

oh dear, has this become yet another sore loser thread?

No, it's a discussion. No need to be all sensitive.

[Sandpit Steve]

deadslow said:

he's not released early from his Merc duties because there's two million sponsor things to do before he goes. He will be on a world tour of goodbye parties/photo opps, moreso probably than any previous driver in F1 history..

Yeah he’s off to Malaysia straight after the AD race to spend time with Petronas.

Difficult to blame Merc for not letting him leave early, given that he’ll be a competitor next year and the opportunity for numerous ‘goodbye’ events for everyone connected to the team. I suspect he arrives home on Christmas Eve, has a week off, then takes a flight to Italy to report for duty on 2nd Jan

[ajprice]

Mick Schumacher won't be with Mercedes as reserve driver in 2025. He stays at Alpine as one of their 6 WEC drivers.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/mick-sc...

[Nickp82]

Merc lining up Bottas as reserve just in case Antonelli is a disaster?

[Killer2005]

Nickp82 said:

Merc lining up Bottas as reserve just in case Antonelli is a disaster?

Or he might be going to Red Bull? Don't see it though but there's been some chatter today.

[vaud]

Killer2005 said:

Nickp82 said:

Merc lining up Bottas as reserve just in case Antonelli is a disaster?

Or he might be going to Red Bull? Don't see it though but there's been some chatter today.

More likely to be GM for 2026 in my view...

[PRO5T]

vaud said:

Killer2005 said:

Nickp82 said:

Merc lining up Bottas as reserve just in case Antonelli is a disaster?

Or he might be going to Red Bull? Don't see it though but there's been some chatter today.

More likely to be GM for 2026 in my view...

Bottas to Mercedes, junior program may mean he is just a reserve with no FP duties unless Kimi turns out to be a dud. Yuki was sure to be Red Bull but now not so sure.

Last thing GM are thinking about is drivers at this stage.

[LP670]

MustangGT said:

2018 and 2019 also come to mind when the Ferraris were faster than the MB.

give over, especially on 2019. bottas finished second in the drivers championship to put things into context.

[stemll]

PRO5T said:

Bottas to Mercedes, junior program may mean he is just a reserve with no FP duties unless Kimi turns out to be a dud. Yuki was sure to be Red Bull but now not so sure.

Last thing GM are thinking about is drivers at this stage.

Mario bigging up Colton Herta again. He still doesn't have the super licence points he needs