The Official F1 2025 silly season *contains speculation*
Discussion
thegreenhell said:
Deesee said:
Eu law? its an American company based in London?
But which operates within the EU. Several races are held in the region, not to mention several teams and manufacturers based there which need to abide by EU laws.Only recently Formula e was running without FIA endorsement...
I'm not saying it can't be done, just that's it's not as easy as ditching the FIA and doing it all themselves. It was EU competition law that forced the FIA and FOM to separate completely with the long term sale of the commercial rights. I'm sure they'd have something to say about the commercial promoter taking on their own sporting governance after previously ruling that the sporting body couldn't control the commercial rights.
There are more than two teams in the EU region. It's not just the two with physical factories there, but the others owned by and registered to corporations headquartered there, such as Mercedes, Red Bull, Alpine, and soon to be Audi. In fact, unless/until Andretti Cadillac get an entry, there are no teams that are neither owned by an EU corporation or supplied with an engine from an EU-based manufacturer.
There are more than two teams in the EU region. It's not just the two with physical factories there, but the others owned by and registered to corporations headquartered there, such as Mercedes, Red Bull, Alpine, and soon to be Audi. In fact, unless/until Andretti Cadillac get an entry, there are no teams that are neither owned by an EU corporation or supplied with an engine from an EU-based manufacturer.
thegreenhell said:
I'm not saying it can't be done, just that's it's not as easy as ditching the FIA and doing it all themselves. It was EU competition law that forced the FIA and FOM to separate completely with the long term sale of the commercial rights. I'm sure they'd have something to say about the commercial promoter taking on their own sporting governance after previously ruling that the sporting body couldn't control the commercial rights.
There are more than two teams in the EU region. It's not just the two with physical factories there, but the others owned by and registered to corporations headquartered there, such as Mercedes, Red Bull, Alpine, and soon to be Audi. In fact, unless/until Andretti Cadillac get an entry, there are no teams that are neither owned by an EU corporation or supplied with an engine from an EU-based manufacturer.
Everything now is pretty much UK domiciled, the teams entries are UK based companies (yes some of them have investment/shareholding from large multinationals, Damiler/Red Bull GMBH for example, some personal investments & VC investments shown as a works entry), with the exception of Sauber (Swiss), Ferrari (Italy/EU) who have workplace/employees/ownership is in the EU.There are more than two teams in the EU region. It's not just the two with physical factories there, but the others owned by and registered to corporations headquartered there, such as Mercedes, Red Bull, Alpine, and soon to be Audi. In fact, unless/until Andretti Cadillac get an entry, there are no teams that are neither owned by an EU corporation or supplied with an engine from an EU-based manufacturer.
Other than the Ferrari operation, perhaps the Renault engine/PU plant in Viry of within the EU?
I would see it as the equivalent of EU getting involved in the Major League Baseball rights...
Deesee said:
Liberty will go it alone, no FIA, they will install their own race control... set own regs etc..
Why spend billions to buy F1 to then break away and have to create a brand that isn’t F1, thereby having to spend billions more?If they have a problem with the FIA, they’ll leverage the FIA. Use their weight.
Can’t see the practicality of breaking away.
Mark-C said:
More to the point ... what would Liberty call this thing since FIA own the rights to "Formula One" and variations for Motorsport ... and how many manufacturers would follow if they went it alone?
Liberty own the rights(trademarks) for the name F1/Formula one (among others), the FIA own the rights for FIA World Championship.The prize money is awarded by Liberty/F1 not the FIA.
Anyway remember this is the silly season thread.
Deesee said:
thegreenhell said:
I'm not saying it can't be done, just that's it's not as easy as ditching the FIA and doing it all themselves. It was EU competition law that forced the FIA and FOM to separate completely with the long term sale of the commercial rights. I'm sure they'd have something to say about the commercial promoter taking on their own sporting governance after previously ruling that the sporting body couldn't control the commercial rights.
There are more than two teams in the EU region. It's not just the two with physical factories there, but the others owned by and registered to corporations headquartered there, such as Mercedes, Red Bull, Alpine, and soon to be Audi. In fact, unless/until Andretti Cadillac get an entry, there are no teams that are neither owned by an EU corporation or supplied with an engine from an EU-based manufacturer.
Everything now is pretty much UK domiciled, the teams entries are UK based companies (yes some of them have investment/shareholding from large multinationals, Damiler/Red Bull GMBH for example, some personal investments & VC investments shown as a works entry), with the exception of Sauber (Swiss), Ferrari (Italy/EU) who have workplace/employees/ownership is in the EU.There are more than two teams in the EU region. It's not just the two with physical factories there, but the others owned by and registered to corporations headquartered there, such as Mercedes, Red Bull, Alpine, and soon to be Audi. In fact, unless/until Andretti Cadillac get an entry, there are no teams that are neither owned by an EU corporation or supplied with an engine from an EU-based manufacturer.
Other than the Ferrari operation, perhaps the Renault engine/PU plant in Viry of within the EU?
I would see it as the equivalent of EU getting involved in the Major League Baseball rights...
DanielSan said:
To anyone who still harbored any doubts, that Mr Storey is nothing but a first class bulls
t artist. The Mazepins and Strolls of this World still managed to get Super Licences the hard way, with an awful lot of practice and by actually getting results racing in other series. They’re both a lot better than 99.99% of drivers out there.
So, who saw that coming? Not me!
I actually think there's a real chance of Alonso to Mercedes. A bit like Alpine a few years ago, they might feel they need a marquee driver. Not necessarily for a long contract with other drivers waiting in the wings and Antonelli coming up.
If it's Toto doing the chosing you'd think he would consider Ocon a possibility, as well as Albon.
You'd think they'll be interested in the Mclaren drivers too. 'Would be a shame if someone was to disrupt Mclaren...'
I actually think there's a real chance of Alonso to Mercedes. A bit like Alpine a few years ago, they might feel they need a marquee driver. Not necessarily for a long contract with other drivers waiting in the wings and Antonelli coming up.
If it's Toto doing the chosing you'd think he would consider Ocon a possibility, as well as Albon.
You'd think they'll be interested in the Mclaren drivers too. 'Would be a shame if someone was to disrupt Mclaren...'
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