F1 has rejected Andretti's entry bid

[DOCG]

MiniMan64 said:

3 GP's over there now, Liberty are keen to push the market, why not?

I don't agree with having more than 1 GP there, either.

[StevieBee]

DOCG said:

MiniMan64 said:

3 GP's over there now, Liberty are keen to push the market, why not?

I don't agree with having more than 1 GP there, either.

But we have many in Europe which is comparable in size and population to the US. And as culturally diverse.

If we were to assign regions and countries F1 races based upon their contribution to F1, Motor Sport and the wider automotive sector over the years, the US is most certainly on that list along with Europe (particularly the UK, France, Italy and Germany) and Japan.

Personally, if I had to choose, I'd ditch the middle eastern races in favour of two more in the US.

[asfault]

DOCG said:

MiniMan64 said:

3 GP's over there now, Liberty are keen to push the market, why not?

I don't agree with having more than 1 GP there, either.

Yeah over 300million people and vastly different cultures so 3 is fine with me.
Happy enough with another team too.
More cars the better.

[DOCG]

asfault said:

Yeah over 300million people and vastly different cultures so 3 is fine with me.
Happy enough with another team too.
More cars the better.

If you knew what they had done to NASCAR and Indycar then you wouldn't want any more US influence over the sport. It's all entertainment first, sporting fairness second.

[StevieBee]

DOCG said:

asfault said:

Yeah over 300million people and vastly different cultures so 3 is fine with me.
Happy enough with another team too.
More cars the better.

If you knew what they had done to NASCAR and Indycar then you wouldn't want any more US influence over the sport. It's all entertainment first, sporting fairness second.

Those are domestic series outside of the influence or control of the FiA.

The equivalent would be an American saying the UK shouldn't host F1 because of the reverse grid concept applied in BTCC.

We can have a chat about the vagaries and efficiency of the FiA if you like, but that would have no baring on whether the US is deserving of hosting or hosting more GPs.

What I suspect you're referring to is the influence of Liberty Media.

All the over-the-top promotional stuff that Liberty do is actually well targeted and tailored, IMO. Whilst I don't particularly like all the Vegas themed stuff, I have to concede that it is very 'Vegas'. But it wouldn't work at Silverstone or Imola which is why they don't do it there.

[entropy]

DOCG said:

If you knew what they had done to NASCAR and Indycar then you wouldn't want any more US influence over the sport. It's all entertainment first, sporting fairness second.

Scrutineering in NASCAR is a lot stricter than F1. Cars are often thrown out if they don't pass inspection, crew chiefs banned for x number of races as well as fines; F1 teams get a slap on the wrist in part because they can afford lawyers to appeal.

[hondajack85]

Dont really care one way or another if they join. Is the astronomic up front fee still required? Will they try to avoid that?
Just saw part 2 of the brawn f1 story. What a trecherous little outfit they were lol.

[MiniMan64]

hondajack85 said:

Dont really care one way or another if they join. Is the astronomic up front fee still required? Will they try to avoid that?
Just saw part 2 of the brawn f1 story. What a trecherous little outfit they were lol.

Treacherous?

[DOCG]

entropy said:

Scrutineering in NASCAR is a lot stricter than F1. Cars are often thrown out if they don't pass inspection, crew chiefs banned for x number of races as well as fines; F1 teams get a slap on the wrist in part because they can afford lawyers to appeal.

What do you think of the "Playoff" system? Isn't a coincidence how the final race is always won by one of the "playoff contenders"? Not to mention all of the phantom debris cautions and race manipulation.

Edited by DOCG on Monday 25th November 17:49

[Killer2005]

Deal agreed in principle

BBC News - General Motors agrees deal to enter F1 in 2026
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/cy8nzl...

[Bradgate]

This is a strange move by GM. F1s core fan base is still in Europe, where GM don’t sell cars, trucks or anything else. Maybe they are planning to re-launch Cadillac over here for the umpteenth time?

[Leithen]

Hilarious that in every utterance they can’t bring themselves to say the name Andretti.

[DanielSan]

Bradgate said:

This is a strange move by GM. F1s core fan base is still in Europe, where GM don’t sell cars, trucks or anything else. Maybe they are planning to re-launch Cadillac over here for the umpteenth time?

There is a Cadillax relaunch coming, hence the WEC and now F1 involvement

[entropy]

DOCG said:

entropy said:

Scrutineering in NASCAR is a lot stricter than F1. Cars are often thrown out if they don't pass inspection, crew chiefs banned for x number of races as well as fines; F1 teams get a slap on the wrist in part because they can afford lawyers to appeal.

What do you think of the "Playoff" system? Isn't a coincidence how the final race is always won by one of the "playoff contenders"? Not to mention all of the phantom debris cautions and race manipulation.

Edited by DOCG on Monday 25th November 17:49

NASCAR is at the extreme end at providing entertainment and they've never been shy about it apart from phantom cautions. I personally don't like the Playoff system but there's no denying it has produced some exciting finales including this year between Penske teammates Blaney and Logano going down to the final laps. It's always won by the playoff contenders because that's the rules of the playoff! You have to be top 16 in points to be eligible.

[Bradgate]

DanielSan said:

Bradgate said:

This is a strange move by GM. F1s core fan base is still in Europe, where GM don’t sell cars, trucks or anything else. Maybe they are planning to re-launch Cadillac over here for the umpteenth time?

There is a Cadillax relaunch coming, hence the WEC and now F1 involvement

OK, that makes more sense. Let’s see how long selling Cadillacs in Europe lasts this time. Last time, they were trying to flog re-skinned Saabs as Cadillacs and it lasted about 18 months.

[StevieBee]

Bradgate said:

DanielSan said:

Bradgate said:

This is a strange move by GM. F1s core fan base is still in Europe, where GM don’t sell cars, trucks or anything else. Maybe they are planning to re-launch Cadillac over here for the umpteenth time?

There is a Cadillax relaunch coming, hence the WEC and now F1 involvement

OK, that makes more sense. Let’s see how long selling Cadillacs in Europe lasts this time. Last time, they were trying to flog re-skinned Saabs as Cadillacs and it lasted about 18 months.

An observation I'd make is that the US car market seems much more Euro-centric than it was a few even ten or 15 year ago. I was in Detroit last year - motor city! - and the car parks were little different to what you'd find in the UK or Germany. There seems to me to be a much greater harmonisation between the US and Europe when it comes to the cars we both buy.

[FourWheelDrift]

Everyone feels pleased with themselves with GM entering F1, then they sell the team to Andretti for $1 in a pre-arranged deal and they rename it Andretti Racing, with Michael in charge.

[CoolHands]

Utterly pointless if you ask me. Cadillac? Probably some old school managers who don’t realise their product is st and think racing is going to be good for their brand. What are they going to be able to offer in Europe that isn’t already here in droves

[732NM]

CoolHands said:

Utterly pointless if you ask me. Cadillac? Probably some old school managers who don’t realise their product is st and think racing is going to be good for their brand. What are they going to be able to offer in Europe that isn’t already here in droves

Cadillac's.

[FourWheelDrift]

732NM said:

CoolHands said:

Utterly pointless if you ask me. Cadillac? Probably some old school managers who don’t realise their product is st and think racing is going to be good for their brand. What are they going to be able to offer in Europe that isn’t already here in droves

Cadillac's.