F1 has rejected Andretti's entry bid
Discussion
Speed Badger said:
Could kill two birds with one stone and Andretti could take over the RB Cash App team.
Maybe but wht we all wanted was bigger grids.Another 2 cars would have done that well.
And seeing as Renault will likely give up in a year or two yes Andretti could buy their team but still thats just a 1 for 1 replacement.
Stupid decesion imo
At one point I watced all sat stuff and had 5-10 people over every sunday.
Now i work a sat as im not that bothered and maybe 2 people come over.
Dingu said:
realjv said:
They don't and didn't. FOM are clear in their statement about this.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/full-statement-...
Our assessment did not involve any consultation with the current F1 teams. However, in considering the best interests of the Championship we took account of the impact of the entry of an 11th team on all commercial stakeholders in the Championship.
If you believe that I have some stuff to sell you. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/full-statement-...
Our assessment did not involve any consultation with the current F1 teams. However, in considering the best interests of the Championship we took account of the impact of the entry of an 11th team on all commercial stakeholders in the Championship.
All Liberty have said is they did not consult the teams during this review. What they didn't say was that they didn't know what the teams opinions were. The teams have mostly made it abundantly clear in public statements what they think so FOM/Liberty had little need to ask. From the moment the FIA opened the door and started this whole sad fiasco up until when Andretti were approved and FOM/Liberty started Thier formal review there was plenty of time for off the record conversations with the teams during the normal routine course of business.
Edited by realjv on Wednesday 31st January 20:02
Tazar said:
The Andretti name is a highly recognised name in motorsport and has been for decades. Multiple championships to their name. Putting together a very competent work force. They are not doing this to be also-rans just making up the numbers. That’s probably the problem and maybe 7 or 8 teams are scared of this. The FOM should be ashamed of this decision and this demeans the sport. It’s called motorsport.
They are not a constructor though, they run spec series cars in various championships produced by well established racing car constructors.Building an F1 constructor team from scratch would be an enormous task and not something they have done in an equivalent way before.
520TORQUES said:
Tazar said:
The Andretti name is a highly recognised name in motorsport and has been for decades. Multiple championships to their name. Putting together a very competent work force. They are not doing this to be also-rans just making up the numbers. That’s probably the problem and maybe 7 or 8 teams are scared of this. The FOM should be ashamed of this decision and this demeans the sport. It’s called motorsport.
They are not a constructor though, they run spec series cars in various championships produced by well established racing car constructors.Building an F1 constructor team from scratch would be an enormous task and not something they have done in an equivalent way before.
Wonder what ever happened to that team?
There is the talk that the teams didn't want want to split prize money. But theres an extra £200m being stumped up by Andretti to cover that off and if Andretti are uncompetitive, they wouln't impact the prize money anyway.
I've been watching F1 for donkeys years, for the last 19 on Sky. I ditched my Sky sub after over 19 years at the start of Jan having become more and more dissatisfied with the tedious F1 coverage and amateur presenters. This latest decision merely vindicates my decision. I'm sure I'm not alone.
I've been watching F1 for donkeys years, for the last 19 on Sky. I ditched my Sky sub after over 19 years at the start of Jan having become more and more dissatisfied with the tedious F1 coverage and amateur presenters. This latest decision merely vindicates my decision. I'm sure I'm not alone.
I get the part that Liberty don’t want someone trundling around at the back while having an appreciating asset riding on the F1 band wagon.
I’m sure they could add strict qualifying and performance rules to cover this. Does the old 107% still apply? If so this could be tightened up and if they continue not to qualify then they get kicked out.
I’m up for having another team but we don’t want to go back to the 90’s when back markers were a nuisance.
The main issue is Andretti’s lack of an initial engine supply. A mandatory supply doesn’t sound to be very welcome and kind of highlights their short fall in being a serious outfit.
I’m sure they could add strict qualifying and performance rules to cover this. Does the old 107% still apply? If so this could be tightened up and if they continue not to qualify then they get kicked out.
I’m up for having another team but we don’t want to go back to the 90’s when back markers were a nuisance.
The main issue is Andretti’s lack of an initial engine supply. A mandatory supply doesn’t sound to be very welcome and kind of highlights their short fall in being a serious outfit.
FOM banging on about bringing value to F1. Well value is brought by the fans - if nobody watched F1 any more it would have no value. Almost every F1 fan social media post, commentator, news article and F1 journalist have called this a bad decision and would like to see Andretti involved. These are the people who bring value to F1 calling the decision stupid. It's laughable.
Edited by Speed Badger on Thursday 1st February 00:15
520TORQUES said:
They are not a constructor though, they run spec series cars in various championships produced by well established racing car constructors.
Building an F1 constructor team from scratch would be an enormous task and not something they have done in an equivalent way before.
No new team entering F1 in the modern era has built a car like this before, simply because it's the only manufacturer series for single seaters left. Everything else is a spec series.Building an F1 constructor team from scratch would be an enormous task and not something they have done in an equivalent way before.
There's a lot of chicken-and-egg going on in all this. You can't enter because you've never built a car before, but there's no need to build a car for any series before you get there. You can't enter if you're not going to be competitive, but there's no way to be competitive unless you're allowed to compete.
It's all just a legalese way of saying f
k off, it's our club and you can't join.Leithen said:
Neither had Stewart.
Wonder what ever happened to that team?
Different times, the cars were very simple by comparison. Paul Stewart was also well established in the heart of the F1 construction community also.Wonder what ever happened to that team?
It's an enormous task to try and do what Andretti are proposing.
thegreenhell said:
No new team entering F1 in the modern era has built a car like this before, simply because it's the only manufacturer series for single seaters left. Everything else is a spec series.
There's a lot of chicken-and-egg going on in all this. You can't enter because you've never built a car before, but there's no need to build a car for any series before you get there. You can't enter if you're not going to be competitive, but there's no way to be competitive unless you're allowed to compete.
It's all just a legalese way of saying fk off, it's our club and you can't join.
A good way in would be to produce a sports prototype, much lower cost than doing F1 as a first bash at constructing a racing car to a high level.There's a lot of chicken-and-egg going on in all this. You can't enter because you've never built a car before, but there's no need to build a car for any series before you get there. You can't enter if you're not going to be competitive, but there's no way to be competitive unless you're allowed to compete.
It's all just a legalese way of saying f
k off, it's our club and you can't join.520TORQUES said:
thegreenhell said:
No new team entering F1 in the modern era has built a car like this before, simply because it's the only manufacturer series for single seaters left. Everything else is a spec series.
There's a lot of chicken-and-egg going on in all this. You can't enter because you've never built a car before, but there's no need to build a car for any series before you get there. You can't enter if you're not going to be competitive, but there's no way to be competitive unless you're allowed to compete.
It's all just a legalese way of saying fk off, it's our club and you can't join.
A good way in would be to produce a sports prototype, much lower cost than doing F1 as a first bash at constructing a racing car to a high level.There's a lot of chicken-and-egg going on in all this. You can't enter because you've never built a car before, but there's no need to build a car for any series before you get there. You can't enter if you're not going to be competitive, but there's no way to be competitive unless you're allowed to compete.
It's all just a legalese way of saying f
k off, it's our club and you can't join.More extracts here: https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2024/01/31/f1-says...
It looks like the FIAs due diligence was a bit weak
MuttWagon said:
Or at least have a credible strategy to being competitive in F1.
More extracts here: https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2024/01/31/f1-says...
It looks like the FIAs due diligence was a bit weak
The important bit the FIA missed, or chose to ignore, was that nobody inside F1 wanted another new team to join, regardless of how compelling their case.More extracts here: https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2024/01/31/f1-says...
It looks like the FIAs due diligence was a bit weak
It's just a farce and shows the real face of F1 in its current state.
The days of almost 40 drivers on the grid as in late 80s/early 90s are gone and will never come back.
The show Bernie got in order and formed to something good for fans and participants with Max was the pinnacle of F1, it began to go downhill with the 'Ferrari dominance', got a slight up until 2010 and from then on it got less and less competitive and interesting to watch. A shame.
Now it's just revolves around itself and will die on its own irrelevance, albeit very rich.
Who gives a fk anymore...
The days of almost 40 drivers on the grid as in late 80s/early 90s are gone and will never come back.
The show Bernie got in order and formed to something good for fans and participants with Max was the pinnacle of F1, it began to go downhill with the 'Ferrari dominance', got a slight up until 2010 and from then on it got less and less competitive and interesting to watch. A shame.
Now it's just revolves around itself and will die on its own irrelevance, albeit very rich.
Who gives a f
k anymore...sidewinder500 said:
It's just a farce and shows the real face of F1 in its current state.
The days of almost 40 drivers on the grid as in late 80s/early 90s are gone and will never come back.
The show Bernie got in order and formed to something good for fans and participants with Max was the pinnacle of F1, it began to go downhill with the 'Ferrari dominance', got a slight up until 2010 and from then on it got less and less competitive and interesting to watch. A shame.
Now it's just revolves around itself and will die on its own irrelevance, albeit very rich.
Who gives a fk anymore...
Exactly!! Too many in the sport live in their own 'F1 bubble' and can't see the wood for the trees. And MotoGP is seemingly hell bent on copying what it does as well.The days of almost 40 drivers on the grid as in late 80s/early 90s are gone and will never come back.
The show Bernie got in order and formed to something good for fans and participants with Max was the pinnacle of F1, it began to go downhill with the 'Ferrari dominance', got a slight up until 2010 and from then on it got less and less competitive and interesting to watch. A shame.
Now it's just revolves around itself and will die on its own irrelevance, albeit very rich.
Who gives a f
k anymore...I’ve gone from being a passionate F1 fan to not giving two hoots in a matter of years. Didn’t even bother watching any of the races last season.
Whilst it’s pretty much always been a business it’s too insular with zero transparency (some very odd decisions and lots of stuff behind closed doors) and lacking integrity (selling out to highest bidders/despots). In this modern age of pro-competition, fairness, transparency, huge fines from EU/USA (for dodgy dealing/fixing) and importance of ‘whiter than white’ public/brand image I’m not sure how long it can go on in its current form, it’s almost like it’s regressed rather than improved. Of course, the people who own, control and participate in F1 are now richer than ever so as turkeys they’re hardly going to vote for Christmas.
It’s gone right up its own arse!
Whilst it’s pretty much always been a business it’s too insular with zero transparency (some very odd decisions and lots of stuff behind closed doors) and lacking integrity (selling out to highest bidders/despots). In this modern age of pro-competition, fairness, transparency, huge fines from EU/USA (for dodgy dealing/fixing) and importance of ‘whiter than white’ public/brand image I’m not sure how long it can go on in its current form, it’s almost like it’s regressed rather than improved. Of course, the people who own, control and participate in F1 are now richer than ever so as turkeys they’re hardly going to vote for Christmas.
It’s gone right up its own arse!
Edited by Boom78 on Wednesday 31st January 23:56
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