F1 has rejected Andretti's entry bid

F1 has rejected Andretti's entry bid

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MiniMan64

17,550 posts

198 months

Wednesday 31st January
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So Andretti isn’t considered a strong enough brand name for F1 but wky Visa Cash App RB-We-promise-we’re-not-Red-Bull is fine?

asfault

12,800 posts

187 months

Wednesday 31st January
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Speed Badger said:
Could kill two birds with one stone and Andretti could take over the RB Cash App team.
Maybe but wht we all wanted was bigger grids.

Another 2 cars would have done that well.

And seeing as Renault will likely give up in a year or two yes Andretti could buy their team but still thats just a 1 for 1 replacement.

Stupid decesion imo

At one point I watced all sat stuff and had 5-10 people over every sunday.
Now i work a sat as im not that bothered and maybe 2 people come over.

HardtopManual

2,550 posts

174 months

Wednesday 31st January
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They really don't care about the fans at all, do they? Very difficult to call oneself a fan of what F1 has become.

realjv

1,147 posts

174 months

Wednesday 31st January
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Dingu said:
realjv said:
They don't and didn't. FOM are clear in their statement about this.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/full-statement-...

Our assessment did not involve any consultation with the current F1 teams. However, in considering the best interests of the Championship we took account of the impact of the entry of an 11th team on all commercial stakeholders in the Championship.
If you believe that I have some stuff to sell you.
It's not about belief it's about what FOM/Liberty claimed in writing which will have been checked and double checked by some very expensive legal advisors before being released. It's also a fact that the teams don't get a vote.

All Liberty have said is they did not consult the teams during this review. What they didn't say was that they didn't know what the teams opinions were. The teams have mostly made it abundantly clear in public statements what they think so FOM/Liberty had little need to ask. From the moment the FIA opened the door and started this whole sad fiasco up until when Andretti were approved and FOM/Liberty started Thier formal review there was plenty of time for off the record conversations with the teams during the normal routine course of business.


Edited by realjv on Wednesday 31st January 20:02

520TORQUES

6,592 posts

23 months

Wednesday 31st January
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Tazar said:
The Andretti name is a highly recognised name in motorsport and has been for decades. Multiple championships to their name. Putting together a very competent work force. They are not doing this to be also-rans just making up the numbers. That’s probably the problem and maybe 7 or 8 teams are scared of this. The FOM should be ashamed of this decision and this demeans the sport. It’s called motorsport.
They are not a constructor though, they run spec series cars in various championships produced by well established racing car constructors.

Building an F1 constructor team from scratch would be an enormous task and not something they have done in an equivalent way before.

Leithen

12,193 posts

275 months

Wednesday 31st January
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520TORQUES said:
Tazar said:
The Andretti name is a highly recognised name in motorsport and has been for decades. Multiple championships to their name. Putting together a very competent work force. They are not doing this to be also-rans just making up the numbers. That’s probably the problem and maybe 7 or 8 teams are scared of this. The FOM should be ashamed of this decision and this demeans the sport. It’s called motorsport.
They are not a constructor though, they run spec series cars in various championships produced by well established racing car constructors.

Building an F1 constructor team from scratch would be an enormous task and not something they have done in an equivalent way before.
Neither had Stewart.

Wonder what ever happened to that team?

andygo

6,976 posts

263 months

Wednesday 31st January
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There is the talk that the teams didn't want want to split prize money. But theres an extra £200m being stumped up by Andretti to cover that off and if Andretti are uncompetitive, they wouln't impact the prize money anyway.

I've been watching F1 for donkeys years, for the last 19 on Sky. I ditched my Sky sub after over 19 years at the start of Jan having become more and more dissatisfied with the tedious F1 coverage and amateur presenters. This latest decision merely vindicates my decision. I'm sure I'm not alone.

MuttWagon

71 posts

68 months

Wednesday 31st January
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I get the part that Liberty don’t want someone trundling around at the back while having an appreciating asset riding on the F1 band wagon.

I’m sure they could add strict qualifying and performance rules to cover this. Does the old 107% still apply? If so this could be tightened up and if they continue not to qualify then they get kicked out.

I’m up for having another team but we don’t want to go back to the 90’s when back markers were a nuisance.

The main issue is Andretti’s lack of an initial engine supply. A mandatory supply doesn’t sound to be very welcome and kind of highlights their short fall in being a serious outfit.

Speed Badger

2,961 posts

125 months

Wednesday 31st January
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FOM banging on about bringing value to F1. Well value is brought by the fans - if nobody watched F1 any more it would have no value. Almost every F1 fan social media post, commentator, news article and F1 journalist have called this a bad decision and would like to see Andretti involved. These are the people who bring value to F1 calling the decision stupid. It's laughable.

Edited by Speed Badger on Thursday 1st February 00:15

thegreenhell

17,361 posts

227 months

Wednesday 31st January
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520TORQUES said:
They are not a constructor though, they run spec series cars in various championships produced by well established racing car constructors.

Building an F1 constructor team from scratch would be an enormous task and not something they have done in an equivalent way before.
No new team entering F1 in the modern era has built a car like this before, simply because it's the only manufacturer series for single seaters left. Everything else is a spec series.

There's a lot of chicken-and-egg going on in all this. You can't enter because you've never built a car before, but there's no need to build a car for any series before you get there. You can't enter if you're not going to be competitive, but there's no way to be competitive unless you're allowed to compete.

It's all just a legalese way of saying fk off, it's our club and you can't join.

520TORQUES

6,592 posts

23 months

Wednesday 31st January
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Leithen said:
Neither had Stewart.

Wonder what ever happened to that team?
Different times, the cars were very simple by comparison. Paul Stewart was also well established in the heart of the F1 construction community also.
It's an enormous task to try and do what Andretti are proposing.

520TORQUES

6,592 posts

23 months

Wednesday 31st January
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thegreenhell said:
No new team entering F1 in the modern era has built a car like this before, simply because it's the only manufacturer series for single seaters left. Everything else is a spec series.

There's a lot of chicken-and-egg going on in all this. You can't enter because you've never built a car before, but there's no need to build a car for any series before you get there. You can't enter if you're not going to be competitive, but there's no way to be competitive unless you're allowed to compete.

It's all just a legalese way of saying fk off, it's our club and you can't join.
A good way in would be to produce a sports prototype, much lower cost than doing F1 as a first bash at constructing a racing car to a high level.

MuttWagon

71 posts

68 months

Wednesday 31st January
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520TORQUES said:
thegreenhell said:
No new team entering F1 in the modern era has built a car like this before, simply because it's the only manufacturer series for single seaters left. Everything else is a spec series.

There's a lot of chicken-and-egg going on in all this. You can't enter because you've never built a car before, but there's no need to build a car for any series before you get there. You can't enter if you're not going to be competitive, but there's no way to be competitive unless you're allowed to compete.

It's all just a legalese way of saying fk off, it's our club and you can't join.
A good way in would be to produce a sports prototype, much lower cost than doing F1 as a first bash at constructing a racing car to a high level.
Or at least have a credible strategy to being competitive in F1.

More extracts here: https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2024/01/31/f1-says...

It looks like the FIAs due diligence was a bit weak

thegreenhell

17,361 posts

227 months

Wednesday 31st January
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MuttWagon said:
Or at least have a credible strategy to being competitive in F1.

More extracts here: https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2024/01/31/f1-says...

It looks like the FIAs due diligence was a bit weak
The important bit the FIA missed, or chose to ignore, was that nobody inside F1 wanted another new team to join, regardless of how compelling their case.

Forester1965

2,944 posts

11 months

Wednesday 31st January
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F1 is no longer.

sidewinder500

1,417 posts

102 months

Wednesday 31st January
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It's just a farce and shows the real face of F1 in its current state.

The days of almost 40 drivers on the grid as in late 80s/early 90s are gone and will never come back.

The show Bernie got in order and formed to something good for fans and participants with Max was the pinnacle of F1, it began to go downhill with the 'Ferrari dominance', got a slight up until 2010 and from then on it got less and less competitive and interesting to watch. A shame.
Now it's just revolves around itself and will die on its own irrelevance, albeit very rich.

Who gives a fk anymore...

ArnageWRC

2,188 posts

167 months

Wednesday 31st January
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sidewinder500 said:
It's just a farce and shows the real face of F1 in its current state.

The days of almost 40 drivers on the grid as in late 80s/early 90s are gone and will never come back.

The show Bernie got in order and formed to something good for fans and participants with Max was the pinnacle of F1, it began to go downhill with the 'Ferrari dominance', got a slight up until 2010 and from then on it got less and less competitive and interesting to watch. A shame.
Now it's just revolves around itself and will die on its own irrelevance, albeit very rich.

Who gives a fk anymore...
Exactly!! Too many in the sport live in their own 'F1 bubble' and can't see the wood for the trees. And MotoGP is seemingly hell bent on copying what it does as well.

asfault

12,800 posts

187 months

Wednesday 31st January
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Not to mention the fact paying for sky f1 but seemed like every race was available for free anyway...

520TORQUES

6,592 posts

23 months

Wednesday 31st January
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thegreenhell said:
The important bit the FIA missed, or chose to ignore, was that nobody inside F1 wanted another new team to join, regardless of how compelling their case.
MBS knew precisely what the teams and FOM's view was and is, it was just another way to cause trouble.

Boom78

1,329 posts

56 months

Wednesday 31st January
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I’ve gone from being a passionate F1 fan to not giving two hoots in a matter of years. Didn’t even bother watching any of the races last season.

Whilst it’s pretty much always been a business it’s too insular with zero transparency (some very odd decisions and lots of stuff behind closed doors) and lacking integrity (selling out to highest bidders/despots). In this modern age of pro-competition, fairness, transparency, huge fines from EU/USA (for dodgy dealing/fixing) and importance of ‘whiter than white’ public/brand image I’m not sure how long it can go on in its current form, it’s almost like it’s regressed rather than improved. Of course, the people who own, control and participate in F1 are now richer than ever so as turkeys they’re hardly going to vote for Christmas.

It’s gone right up its own arse!

Edited by Boom78 on Wednesday 31st January 23:56