Adrian Newey to Ferrari? Is it possible?

[732NM]

MrBig said:

I totally get that, but I am surprised it's the choice he's made. With Ferrari it would be an opportunity to race for an inconic team within the F1 world, one could also argue Williams fit that category, but also with the chance to bring a once great team back to the front of the grid. Aston just feels a bit meh when compared to the other two. Only my opinion obviously.

Adrian is getting on a bit now, he had a very serious injury not that long ago which took him out of the team for months. At his point in life, the last thing he would want is fighting the politics in Italy. It's easy to forget he is a human being with a life, the role at Aston will fit him well. If he finds Stroll senior doesn't work with him how he expects, he can retire with another £100 million in the bank to help him play with his toys.

[The Hypno-Toad]

paulguitar said:

It's surreal to see Neweey's F1 career being questioned. Here's how I remember it:


1. He started at a no-hope team called 'Leyton House' which not too long after he arrived was suddenly competitive and in contention for winning a race. This would be a bit like a new designer arriving as Haas now and a few months later they are leading a race on merit.

2. Moved to Williams and was responsible for some of the most dominant cars ever seen in F1.

3. Moved to McLaren and was responsible for some of the most dominant cars ever seen in F1.

4. Moved to Red Bull and was responsible for some of the most dominant cars ever seen in F1


Is there a pattern there?

Plus two Indycar championships, two Indy 500 wins and two IMSA GTP championships before he got to F1.

The only two people who come even remotely close to that CV would be Gordon Murray & Colin Chapman and anyone who thinks they achieved what they did without testing and sometimes stretching the limits of the regulations in exactly the way that Newey has done season after season is deluding themselves.

[miniman]

I shall be quite conflicted if he does go to AM because although seeing Horny and the Verstappens continue to implode and someone else overtake them will be sweet, for that person to potentially be Stroll would be horrifying.

[Hustle_]

So are they going to ditch the passenger or is this a continuation of a bonkers plot to make Lance Stroll champion... Newey, Alonso and team develop an obscenely fast car and then replace Alonso with Drugovich and hope that Lance can trickle one over the line...

[isaldiri]

mycool said:

several outlets seem to think he could....

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/neweys-move-to-a...

It would be quite amusing if/when that is confirmed given all the confidence earlier in the thread as proclaimed by some due to 'smirking' that Newey was heading to Ferrari.....

[paulguitar]

miniman said:

I shall be quite conflicted if he does go to AM because although seeing Horny and the Verstappens continue to implode and someone else overtake them will be sweet, for that person to potentially be Stroll would be horrifying.

Yeah, I feel the same way about this, although if AN does go there, and makes a big difference quickly, it would be fun to see Alonso with a genuinely competitive car. I think my fear is that Lance could end up winning a bunch of races which would be a bit of a silly look for the sport.

[StRemy]

732NM said:

StRemy said:

I remember these guys gary and 73torques from the Olympic games thread, they were writing about L. Hinchliffe being a complete failure for not being among the 8 fastest guys in the world, so no wonder A. Newey is just moderately succesful from their point of view.

If you took that from the discussion then it's no surprise you don't get the point here either.

The point here is completely obvious. When he was going to team up with LH in Ferrari, he was the greatest thing since sliced bread; now that it seems that he is going to AM, the opinion of some “fans” about him has taken an almost 180 degrees turn.

[732NM]

StRemy said:

732NM said:

StRemy said:

I remember these guys gary and 73torques from the Olympic games thread, they were writing about L. Hinchliffe being a complete failure for not being among the 8 fastest guys in the world, so no wonder A. Newey is just moderately succesful from their point of view.

If you took that from the discussion then it's no surprise you don't get the point here either.

The point here is completely obvious. When he was going to team up with LH in Ferrari, he was the greatest thing since sliced bread; now that it seems that he is going to AM, the opinion of some “fans” about him has taken an almost 180 degrees turn.

More nonsense.

My prediction was he would take a break and have a think in 6 months when he was rested, because he looked exhausted.

I also countered the idea that Lewis chose Ferrari because Adrian was going there. I didn't think Ferrari would fit him.

I didn't think he would get on with Stroll, but if he has been promised a hands off approach from him, it's a move that fits with everything Adrian could want. It's not a gamble of substance either, as Adrian could pack it in today and still have a great retirement.

The icing on the cake would be having FH back as his PA, as she was at Red Bull before CH blew up the place.

[mycool]

isaldiri said:

mycool said:

several outlets seem to think he could....

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/neweys-move-to-a...

It would be quite amusing if/when that is confirmed given all the confidence earlier in the thread as proclaimed by some due to 'smirking' that Newey was heading to Ferrari.....

He quite possibly was at that time until AM came along with a bigger bag of money.

[Supersam83]

Adrian Newey record in F1:

1988 - March - Best result 2nd place in a race
1989 - March - Best result 7th place in a race
1990 - Leyton House - Best result 2nd place in a race
1991 - Williams - 2nd in WCC/2nd WDC
1992 - Williams - Winner WCC/WDC
1993 - Williams - Winner WCC/WDC
1994 - Williams - Winner WCC/2nd WDC
1995 - Williams - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
1996 - Williams - Winner WCC/WDC
1997 - Williams - Winner WCC/WDC
1998 - Mclaren - Winner WCC/WDC
1999 - Mclaren - Winner WDC/2nd WDC
2000 - Mclaren - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
2001 - Mclaren - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
2002 - Mclaren - 3rd WCC/5th WDC
2003 - Mclaren - 3rd WCC/2nd WDC
2004 - Mclaren - 5th WCC/7th WDC
2005 - Mclaren - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
2006 - Mclaren - 3rd WCC/5th WDC
2007 - Red Bull - 5th WCC/10th WDC
2008 - Red Bull - 7th WCC/11th WDC
2009 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
2010 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2011 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2012 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2013 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2014 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/3rd WDC
2015 - Red Bull - 4th WCC/7th WDC
2016 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/3rd WDC
2017 - Red Bull - 3rd WCC/5th WDC
2018 - Red Bull - 3rd WCC/4th WDC
2019 - Red Bull - 3rd WCC/3rd WCC
2020 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/3rd WDC
2021 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/Winner WDC
2022 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2023 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC

It's not a bad record considering the millions of rule changes in the 35 years he has been in F1...

[732NM]

Supersam83 said:

Adrian Newey record in F1:

1988 - March - Best result 2nd place in a race
1989 - March - Best result 7th place in a race
1990 - Leyton House - Best result 2nd place in a race
1991 - Williams - 2nd in WCC/2nd WDC
1992 - Williams - Winner WCC/WDC
1993 - Williams - Winner WCC/WDC
1994 - Williams - Winner WCC/2nd WDC
1995 - Williams - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
1996 - Williams - Winner WCC/WDC
1997 - Williams - Winner WCC/WDC
1998 - Mclaren - Winner WCC/WDC
1999 - Mclaren - Winner WDC/2nd WDC
2000 - Mclaren - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
2001 - Mclaren - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
2002 - Mclaren - 3rd WCC/5th WDC
2003 - Mclaren - 3rd WCC/2nd WDC
2004 - Mclaren - 5th WCC/7th WDC
2005 - Mclaren - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
2006 - Mclaren - 3rd WCC/5th WDC
2007 - Red Bull - 5th WCC/10th WDC
2008 - Red Bull - 7th WCC/11th WDC
2009 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
2010 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2011 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2012 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2013 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2014 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/3rd WDC
2015 - Red Bull - 4th WCC/7th WDC
2016 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/3rd WDC
2017 - Red Bull - 3rd WCC/5th WDC
2018 - Red Bull - 3rd WCC/4th WDC
2019 - Red Bull - 3rd WCC/3rd WCC
2020 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/3rd WDC
2021 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/Winner WDC
2022 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2023 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC

It's not a bad record considering the millions of rule changes in the 35 years he has been in F1...

It's a superb record, but he was not the designer of all those, he was an important team member of course.

[zsdom]

Sky sports saying Aston Martina press conference next week could be his announcement

https://x.com/skysportsf1/status/18313289211171967...

[anonymous-user]

Adrian Newey + Honda + 2026 new engine regs + Loadsa Money = I wonder where Max Verstappen will be driving in 2026.

[732NM]

Forester1965 said:

Adrian Newey + Honda + 2026 new engine regs + Loadsa Money = I wonder where Max Verstappen will be driving in 2026.

If true to form, Fred will leave at the end of 2025.

[PlywoodPascal]

732NM said:

Teppic said:

Ferrari were interested, but once Aston tabled their offer they decided that they didn't want to get in to a bidding war.

They were going to emply him as a consultant so that he could work from the UK https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-ended-n...

Great way to cost your rival a chunk of their available budget, make the shiny thing more expensive to buy.

that article said:

“Adrian and I have been not only talking for months, but actually for years," Stroll told Bloomberg. "Adrian is clearly the most talented and gifted figure in Formula 1, based on his track record and history, in addition to being a hell of a gentleman.

I would quit before I even started if I heard my new boss saying st like that, what a cheese/slimeball.

Edited by PlywoodPascal on Wednesday 4th September 16:12

[PlywoodPascal]

isaldiri said:

It would be quite amusing if/when that is confirmed given all the confidence earlier in the thread as proclaimed by some due to 'smirking' that Newey was heading to Ferrari.....

I don't think anyone argued that the 'smirking' gave them confidence (and, by the way, I think it was smiling personally but you can always make someone you dislike who is smiling sound bad by saying they are smirking).

I think people said the best evidence that Newey would go to Ferrari was the smiling/grinning of Hamilton.

Saying that something is the best piece of evidence available makes no judgement of the weight of a piece of evidence, nor how much confidence to place in it.

[Leithen]

732NM said:

Supersam83 said:

Adrian Newey record in F1:

1988 - March - Best result 2nd place in a race
1989 - March - Best result 7th place in a race
1990 - Leyton House - Best result 2nd place in a race
1991 - Williams - 2nd in WCC/2nd WDC
1992 - Williams - Winner WCC/WDC
1993 - Williams - Winner WCC/WDC
1994 - Williams - Winner WCC/2nd WDC
1995 - Williams - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
1996 - Williams - Winner WCC/WDC
1997 - Williams - Winner WCC/WDC
1998 - Mclaren - Winner WCC/WDC
1999 - Mclaren - Winner WDC/2nd WDC
2000 - Mclaren - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
2001 - Mclaren - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
2002 - Mclaren - 3rd WCC/5th WDC
2003 - Mclaren - 3rd WCC/2nd WDC
2004 - Mclaren - 5th WCC/7th WDC
2005 - Mclaren - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
2006 - Mclaren - 3rd WCC/5th WDC
2007 - Red Bull - 5th WCC/10th WDC
2008 - Red Bull - 7th WCC/11th WDC
2009 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/2nd WDC
2010 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2011 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2012 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2013 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2014 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/3rd WDC
2015 - Red Bull - 4th WCC/7th WDC
2016 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/3rd WDC
2017 - Red Bull - 3rd WCC/5th WDC
2018 - Red Bull - 3rd WCC/4th WDC
2019 - Red Bull - 3rd WCC/3rd WCC
2020 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/3rd WDC
2021 - Red Bull - 2nd WCC/Winner WDC
2022 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC
2023 - Red Bull - Winner WCC/WDC

It's not a bad record considering the millions of rule changes in the 35 years he has been in F1...

It's a superb record, but he was not the designer of all those, he was an important team member of course.

You could also argue that the 2008 McLaren was largely his and he was even due some residual credit for the 2009 car.

[732NM]

Leithen said:

You could also argue that the 2008 McLaren was largely his and he was even due some residual credit for the 2009 car.

We could argue about anything, forever, on here.

[marine boy]

732NM said:

It's a superb record, but he was not the designer of all those, he was an important team member of course.

Many people spend years in F1 or motorsport without a sniff of a championship win

How many championships you have to your name has a lot to do with the luck of being in the right place, at the right time and not what a super star people think they are

Been reasonably lucky but unlucky most of my time, don't mind as the many championship beatings and so almost nearly lost championships I've endured keeps me grounded

Newey without a shadow of doubt has helped create more luck than anyone else in F1 but with evey championship win he's taken more beatings of lost championships and needed the support of a lot of the right people around him

Not worked with him but have with many of the other successful F1 big names that are also good at creating their own luck.

They all bring that little extra needed to win, be it mindset, culture, approach, attitude towards people or clever thinking

[Jayho]

732NM said:

It's a superb record, but he was not the designer of all those, he was an important team member of course.

Adrian Newey job titles since being in F1 since his first WCC.

1991–1996 Williams Chief Designer
1997–2005 McLaren Technical Director
2006–present Red Bull Technical Director

Without knowing the full organigram and structure of all the teams at that time I'm going to blindly say that they are probably the top 2 roles one can hold in terms of car design and development. Sure he'll have a team of engineers, but there still needs to be a leader for the design ethos and someone making the right decisions at the right time.