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Nova Gyna said:
732NM said:
The FIA has always been a s
t show of an organisation, but under MBS it's decended to an all time low.
The bloke has always been unfit for the role.
Imagine electing a misogynistic, thin-skinned narcissist and then wondering why it all went tits up.t show of an organisation, but under MBS it's decended to an all time low.The bloke has always been unfit for the role.
lol.
Unfortunately MBS has none of the charm or skill that Max had at keeping it all together...
I guess some might try to blame it on cultural issues but really it's just that the guy is a
that no-one else can work with. TheDeuce said:
What's brilliant is that this guy got booted and replaced with a new guy that screwed up immediately and ruined the race for two (or three if we include Lando) drivers race today.
Perhaps an AI agent can be trained to 'be Charlie Whiting', that could work.
Yes, and as I posted in the other thread, he's had a god career in race direction for F2 in the past, but today was like:Perhaps an AI agent can be trained to 'be Charlie Whiting', that could work.
"theres a mirror on the track..what should we do?"
"I dont know..l.er, Steve, any ideas?"
"I dont know, what about Bill?'
Stupid.
Big Nanas said:
TheDeuce said:
What's brilliant is that this guy got booted and replaced with a new guy that screwed up immediately and ruined the race for two (or three if we include Lando) drivers race today.
Perhaps an AI agent can be trained to 'be Charlie Whiting', that could work.
Yes, and as I posted in the other thread, he's had a god career in race direction for F2 in the past, but today was like:Perhaps an AI agent can be trained to 'be Charlie Whiting', that could work.
"theres a mirror on the track..what should we do?"
"I dont know..l.er, Steve, any ideas?"
"I dont know, what about Bill?'
Stupid.
I'm not sure where this leaves the search for a decent RD though. There's only so many people with relevant experience and most of them have long tenures in a single series of motorsport and are still needed in that series. The talent pool of potential F1 RD's is very shallow and for now, I think Marques is bound to remain for that reason. Also I guess everyone's allowed a bad day, even though today was very, weirdly, bad.
732NM said:
Maybe he went for a piss, he had been sat doing every other race all day and was probably busting.
no denying the poor sod has had a busy weekend.I'd like to think the second/third/fourth.... fifteenth in command could work out that a sharp lump of CF on the track might be an issue though! Like I said, we could see the problem...
Maybe they all went for a piss at the same time, or possibly some circle-jerk thing was taking place?
TheDeuce said:
no denying the poor sod has had a busy weekend.
I'd like to think the second/third/fourth.... fifteenth in command could work out that a sharp lump of CF on the track might be an issue though! Like I said, we could see the problem...
Maybe they all went for a piss at the same time, or possibly some circle-jerk thing was taking place?
There is no second in command, MBS sacked her.I'd like to think the second/third/fourth.... fifteenth in command could work out that a sharp lump of CF on the track might be an issue though! Like I said, we could see the problem...
Maybe they all went for a piss at the same time, or possibly some circle-jerk thing was taking place?
Maybe we should send the FIA some adult nappies for the last race.
732NM said:
TheDeuce said:
no denying the poor sod has had a busy weekend.
I'd like to think the second/third/fourth.... fifteenth in command could work out that a sharp lump of CF on the track might be an issue though! Like I said, we could see the problem...
Maybe they all went for a piss at the same time, or possibly some circle-jerk thing was taking place?
There is no second in command, MBS sacked her.I'd like to think the second/third/fourth.... fifteenth in command could work out that a sharp lump of CF on the track might be an issue though! Like I said, we could see the problem...
Maybe they all went for a piss at the same time, or possibly some circle-jerk thing was taking place?
Maybe we should send the FIA some adult nappies for the last race.
Today, you or I could have briefly deputised and made a better call - albeit neither of us are potentially under the influence of MBS.
TheDeuce said:
There has to be someone able to make the calls if the RD has a problem though, at least I would assume there was a hierarchy in place should the RD become sick. Or simply be fired, again.. Whiting said he had a room full of people making the calls, he just had the final official call and sanity check.
Today, you or I could have briefly deputised and made a better call - albeit neither of us are potentially under the influence of MBS.
Half the regulars on here could do a better job for the last 5 years. It's been a sToday, you or I could have briefly deputised and made a better call - albeit neither of us are potentially under the influence of MBS.
t show.732NM said:
TheDeuce said:
There has to be someone able to make the calls if the RD has a problem though, at least I would assume there was a hierarchy in place should the RD become sick. Or simply be fired, again.. Whiting said he had a room full of people making the calls, he just had the final official call and sanity check.
Today, you or I could have briefly deputised and made a better call - albeit neither of us are potentially under the influence of MBS.
Half the regulars on here could do a better job for the last 5 years. It's been a sToday, you or I could have briefly deputised and made a better call - albeit neither of us are potentially under the influence of MBS.
t show.I think there is something in the ai side of things. If it were to be trained sensibly (!! Not on the last 5 years of data) And with the rule book in it's head then it could at least advise on the course of actions for a given scenario very quickly.
I would imagine in RD half the time they don't know, or argue or are influenced etc. The ai could also immediately advise of what actions were taken in a given scenario. I think what we want above all is consistency and alignment with the rule book. Humans aren't always the best at this.
I would like to think they are already researching this, certainly their partners in aws etc would surely be pitching.
If Charlie had a bigger team with each part of it focused on a specific part of the procedures and or teams then things could have been handled more swiftly. It seems to have gone the way of do more with less; a phrase familiar from work. The dollar is king.
I would imagine in RD half the time they don't know, or argue or are influenced etc. The ai could also immediately advise of what actions were taken in a given scenario. I think what we want above all is consistency and alignment with the rule book. Humans aren't always the best at this.
I would like to think they are already researching this, certainly their partners in aws etc would surely be pitching.
If Charlie had a bigger team with each part of it focused on a specific part of the procedures and or teams then things could have been handled more swiftly. It seems to have gone the way of do more with less; a phrase familiar from work. The dollar is king.
White-Noise said:
I think there is something in the ai side of things. If it were to be trained sensibly (!! Not on the last 5 years of data) And with the rule book in it's head then it could at least advise on the course of actions for a given scenario very quickly.
I would imagine in RD half the time they don't know, or argue or are influenced etc. The ai could also immediately advise of what actions were taken in a given scenario. I think what we want above all is consistency and alignment with the rule book. Humans aren't always the best at this.
I would like to think they are already researching this, certainly their partners in aws etc would surely be pitching.
If Charlie had a bigger team with each part of it focused on a specific part of the procedures and or teams then things could have been handled more swiftly. It seems to have gone the way of do more with less; a phrase familiar from work. The dollar is king.
The use of AI in a live support role is big business in general right now, working exactly as you suggest - to offer near instant and well reasoned courses of action in a given scenario, weighing upon knowledge and data that humans simply cannot retain and access as quickly or as accurately. This could totally work for F1 RD, it would enhance consistency no doubt.I would imagine in RD half the time they don't know, or argue or are influenced etc. The ai could also immediately advise of what actions were taken in a given scenario. I think what we want above all is consistency and alignment with the rule book. Humans aren't always the best at this.
I would like to think they are already researching this, certainly their partners in aws etc would surely be pitching.
If Charlie had a bigger team with each part of it focused on a specific part of the procedures and or teams then things could have been handled more swiftly. It seems to have gone the way of do more with less; a phrase familiar from work. The dollar is king.
But I think the inconvenient truth is that the FIA would HATE it, they like a level of ambiguity in the rules and application of penalties, and there probably is some influence upon race direction 'for the show', which would be lost if an AI or any other measure was introduced to ensure high levels of consistency.
The same way they could easily use technology to police and penalise track limit violations, but they prefer to instead only sometimes enforce limits, if they conclude it could in some way improve the spectacle and/or safety.
thegreenhell said:
Talk of AI live support makes me think of one those popup chat bots that you get on some websites - "How can I help you today. Do you you need any help choosing the right penalty to drag out the championship for as long as possible?"
I just asked an actually smart AI, it had a little think and came up with this is about 1.5 seconds:AI has made significant strides in recent years and is increasingly being integrated into various aspects of sports, including data analysis, strategy optimization, and even officiating in some capacities. In the context of Formula One, the role of a race director is highly complex and requires quick decision-making based on a multitude of factors such as safety, weather conditions, track status, and the specific circumstances of each incident.
Potential for AI in Race Direction:
Data Processing: AI systems excel at processing large amounts of data in real-time. They could monitor telemetry data from all cars, track conditions, and weather forecasts simultaneously, providing valuable insights more quickly than a human could.
Pattern Recognition: Machine learning algorithms can be trained to recognize patterns from historical data, potentially predicting the severity of incidents and suggesting appropriate responses based on past outcomes.
Consistency: AI could offer more consistent decision-making by applying the rules uniformly without human bias or error, which is a common criticism in sports officiating.
Challenges and Limitations:
Complex Judgments: Many decisions in race direction involve nuanced judgments that consider the intentions of drivers, the unpredictability of human behavior, and real-time communications between teams and drivers. AI might struggle with these subjective elements.
Safety Concerns: The primary responsibility of a race director is to ensure the safety of drivers, teams, and spectators. Trusting critical safety decisions to AI would require an exceptionally high level of reliability and transparency in how the AI makes decisions.
Ethical and Legal Implications: Implementing AI in this role would raise questions about accountability. In the event of a controversial decision or an incident, determining responsibility could become complicated.
Technical Limitations: Current AI technology may not be advanced enough to handle the split-second, high-stakes decisions required in Formula One race direction, especially in unpredictable scenarios that fall outside of historical data patterns.
Current Use of Technology:
While AI might not be ready to fully assume the role of a race director, it can certainly serve as a valuable tool:
Decision Support: AI can assist human race directors by providing real-time analytics, risk assessments, and suggesting possible courses of action based on data.
Simulation and Training: AI-driven simulations can help race directors and officials train for various scenarios, improving their readiness for actual events.
Automating Routine Tasks: AI can handle routine monitoring and alerting tasks, allowing human officials to focus on more complex decision-making.
Conclusion:
While AI has the potential to enhance the decision-making process in Formula One race direction, it is unlikely to replace human race directors entirely in the near future. The role requires a blend of technical knowledge, experience, and human judgment that AI currently cannot replicate fully. However, as technology continues to advance, AI will likely play an increasingly significant supportive role, improving safety and efficiency in the sport.
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