Niels Wittich Leaves
Discussion
Nova Gyna said:
TheDeuce said:
NRS said:
Nova Gyna said:
entropy said:
vaud said:
When are the FIA elections? Is this a more simple clearout of anyone that has info/poses a threat to reputation?
Next year. According to Nick Daman on this week's Midweek Motorsport there are no challengers to MBS.Like at school sports day, everyone gets a prize
I can’t tell if you two are taking the piss or genuinely believe that Benny has been anything other than an unmitigated disaster literally from day one - an impressive streak of dumbf
kery he's somehow managed to maintain throughout his tenure. But hey, you’re entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is I guess
TheDeuce said:
Nova Gyna said:
TheDeuce said:
NRS said:
Nova Gyna said:
entropy said:
vaud said:
When are the FIA elections? Is this a more simple clearout of anyone that has info/poses a threat to reputation?
Next year. According to Nick Daman on this week's Midweek Motorsport there are no challengers to MBS.Like at school sports day, everyone gets a prize
I can’t tell if you two are taking the piss or genuinely believe that Benny has been anything other than an unmitigated disaster literally from day one - an impressive streak of dumbf
kery he's somehow managed to maintain throughout his tenure. But hey, you’re entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is I guess
Nova Gyna said:
TheDeuce said:
Nova Gyna said:
TheDeuce said:
NRS said:
Nova Gyna said:
entropy said:
vaud said:
When are the FIA elections? Is this a more simple clearout of anyone that has info/poses a threat to reputation?
Next year. According to Nick Daman on this week's Midweek Motorsport there are no challengers to MBS.Like at school sports day, everyone gets a prize
I can’t tell if you two are taking the piss or genuinely believe that Benny has been anything other than an unmitigated disaster literally from day one - an impressive streak of dumbf
kery he's somehow managed to maintain throughout his tenure. But hey, you’re entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is I guess
I'm not disappointed that his position represents (imo) corruption in the sport today, or corruption 'tomorrow' when he's re-elected. I've been expecting it since he was appointed.
I am disgusted. I'm not disappointed though, because I never had any other expectation. Did you..?
TheDeuce said:
Nova Gyna said:
TheDeuce said:
Nova Gyna said:
TheDeuce said:
NRS said:
Nova Gyna said:
entropy said:
vaud said:
When are the FIA elections? Is this a more simple clearout of anyone that has info/poses a threat to reputation?
Next year. According to Nick Daman on this week's Midweek Motorsport there are no challengers to MBS.Like at school sports day, everyone gets a prize
I can’t tell if you two are taking the piss or genuinely believe that Benny has been anything other than an unmitigated disaster literally from day one - an impressive streak of dumbf
kery he's somehow managed to maintain throughout his tenure. But hey, you’re entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is I guess
I'm not disappointed that his position represents (imo) corruption in the sport today, or corruption 'tomorrow' when he's re-elected. I've been expecting it since he was appointed.
I am disgusted. I'm not disappointed though, because I never had any other expectation. Did you..?
Nova Gyna said:
TheDeuce said:
Nova Gyna said:
TheDeuce said:
Nova Gyna said:
TheDeuce said:
NRS said:
Nova Gyna said:
entropy said:
vaud said:
When are the FIA elections? Is this a more simple clearout of anyone that has info/poses a threat to reputation?
Next year. According to Nick Daman on this week's Midweek Motorsport there are no challengers to MBS.Like at school sports day, everyone gets a prize
I can’t tell if you two are taking the piss or genuinely believe that Benny has been anything other than an unmitigated disaster literally from day one - an impressive streak of dumbf
kery he's somehow managed to maintain throughout his tenure. But hey, you’re entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is I guess
I'm not disappointed that his position represents (imo) corruption in the sport today, or corruption 'tomorrow' when he's re-elected. I've been expecting it since he was appointed.
I am disgusted. I'm not disappointed though, because I never had any other expectation. Did you..?
What part of his appointment or behaviour since has lead to you developing hope?
I see that the sport loses well over $1bn in revenue if the Gulf Cooperation Council is not kept happy. I can't imagine how or why the sport, in a commercial sense, would value fair play higher than than value of $$$. The sport has proven repeatedly that it can deal with unfair play via management of the press and PR, and influence over the future prospects of everyone invested in the sport. There is also further value for F1 as the ME countries that buy in to the sport deliver the circuits the sport prescribes, they essentially do what is best for the F1 spectacle. They add value to the calendar - for the average viewer at least.
Perhaps you can convince me of a reason to be hopeful. Failing that, I'll stick with disgust
TheDeuce said:
Nova Gyna said:
TheDeuce said:
Nova Gyna said:
TheDeuce said:
Nova Gyna said:
TheDeuce said:
NRS said:
Nova Gyna said:
entropy said:
vaud said:
When are the FIA elections? Is this a more simple clearout of anyone that has info/poses a threat to reputation?
Next year. According to Nick Daman on this week's Midweek Motorsport there are no challengers to MBS.Like at school sports day, everyone gets a prize
I can’t tell if you two are taking the piss or genuinely believe that Benny has been anything other than an unmitigated disaster literally from day one - an impressive streak of dumbf
kery he's somehow managed to maintain throughout his tenure. But hey, you’re entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is I guess
I'm not disappointed that his position represents (imo) corruption in the sport today, or corruption 'tomorrow' when he's re-elected. I've been expecting it since he was appointed.
I am disgusted. I'm not disappointed though, because I never had any other expectation. Did you..?
What part of his appointment or behaviour since has lead to you developing hope?
I see that the sport loses well over $1bn in revenue if the Gulf Cooperation Council is not kept happy. I can't imagine how or why the sport, in a commercial sense, would value fair play higher than than value of $$$. The sport has proven repeatedly that it can deal with unfair play via management of the press and PR, and influence over the future prospects of everyone invested in the sport. There is also further value for F1 as the ME countries that buy in to the sport deliver the circuits the sport prescribes, they essentially do what is best for the F1 spectacle. They add value to the calendar - for the average viewer at least.
Perhaps you can convince me of a reason to be hopeful. Failing that, I'll stick with disgust
If you truly find his leadership ‘disgusting,’ surely an uncontested reelection is equally concerning?
Nova Gyna said:
Disgust and disappointment aren’t mutually exclusive in my experience, and we’re probably on the same page wrt the sport’s priorities. As for hope, I wasn’t suggesting MBS gives cause for it - quite the opposite. What’s disappointing is the lack of alternatives, which only perpetuates what you’ve described.
If you truly find his leadership ‘disgusting,’ surely an uncontested reelection is equally concerning?
Yes, but also predictable.If you truly find his leadership ‘disgusting,’ surely an uncontested reelection is equally concerning?
He's going to remain, or at least someone else he nominates will remain, for so long as the money does.
Tbf it was also essentially a dictatorship when BCE was pulling strings in F1 & the FIA. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's on record saying it was a dictatorship and that he's the dictator.
Bernie seemed to have a more discreet touch and a little more class though.
TheDeuce said:
hope is good, of course.
What part of his appointment or behaviour since has lead to you developing hope?
I see that the sport loses well over $1bn in revenue if the Gulf Cooperation Council is not kept happy. I can't imagine how or why the sport, in a commercial sense, would value fair play higher than than value of $$$. The sport has proven repeatedly that it can deal with unfair play via management of the press and PR, and influence over the future prospects of everyone invested in the sport. There is also further value for F1 as the ME countries that buy in to the sport deliver the circuits the sport prescribes, they essentially do what is best for the F1 spectacle. They add value to the calendar - for the average viewer at least.
Perhaps you can convince me of a reason to be hopeful. Failing that, I'll stick with disgust
Where’s the $1bn figure come from? 4 rounds at circa $50m each plus roughly same again from aramco’s series sponsorship. What part of his appointment or behaviour since has lead to you developing hope?
I see that the sport loses well over $1bn in revenue if the Gulf Cooperation Council is not kept happy. I can't imagine how or why the sport, in a commercial sense, would value fair play higher than than value of $$$. The sport has proven repeatedly that it can deal with unfair play via management of the press and PR, and influence over the future prospects of everyone invested in the sport. There is also further value for F1 as the ME countries that buy in to the sport deliver the circuits the sport prescribes, they essentially do what is best for the F1 spectacle. They add value to the calendar - for the average viewer at least.
Perhaps you can convince me of a reason to be hopeful. Failing that, I'll stick with disgust
The middle C in the GCC is rather amusing if you live in the region. The only reason the others followed UAE into the series is oneupmanship. Same as why Qatar were acting like a dog with 2 dicks when they got the World Cup.
I’ve met MBS a few times and nearly bought a car from his son. He was better as vice president as he was also head of the local MSA and did a huge amount for regional Motorsport. The presidency seems to come with a sole focus on f1 and nothing else.
TheDeuce said:
Yes, but also predictable.
He's going to remain, or at least someone else he nominates will remain, for so long as the money does.
Tbf it was also essentially a dictatorship when BCE was pulling strings in F1 & the FIA. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's on record saying it was a dictatorship and that he's the dictator.
Bernie seemed to have a more discreet touch and a little more class though.
Predictable, yes - but still disappointing.He's going to remain, or at least someone else he nominates will remain, for so long as the money does.
Tbf it was also essentially a dictatorship when BCE was pulling strings in F1 & the FIA. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's on record saying it was a dictatorship and that he's the dictator.
Bernie seemed to have a more discreet touch and a little more class though.
And if we’re doomed to dictators, let’s hope his successor is at least a competent one.
Nova Gyna said:
TheDeuce said:
Yes, but also predictable.
He's going to remain, or at least someone else he nominates will remain, for so long as the money does.
Tbf it was also essentially a dictatorship when BCE was pulling strings in F1 & the FIA. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's on record saying it was a dictatorship and that he's the dictator.
Bernie seemed to have a more discreet touch and a little more class though.
Predictable, yes - but still disappointing.He's going to remain, or at least someone else he nominates will remain, for so long as the money does.
Tbf it was also essentially a dictatorship when BCE was pulling strings in F1 & the FIA. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's on record saying it was a dictatorship and that he's the dictator.
Bernie seemed to have a more discreet touch and a little more class though.
And if we’re doomed to dictators, let’s hope his successor is at least a competent one.
We should probably stop bickering over the definition/use of the word 'disappointing', it's clear we're both in agreement that the situation appears to be a bit
y. Can we agree on that word? I suppose for balance I should again say this is all my view, based on what I perceive as a fan of the sport. It just seems to me that lots of things make a great deal more sense if we assume money is more of a factor than sporting fair play or logic.
Edited by TheDeuce on Friday 15th November 23:05
Flicking through the drivers' presser, George mentioned there was no discussion between them and the FIA about Wittich's sacking. That seems to put to bed the rumours that a bust-up with some drivers forced him out.
To give Occam’s razor its due, it’s probably just a case of the wiser rats abandoning MBS’ stinking ship.
To give Occam’s razor its due, it’s probably just a case of the wiser rats abandoning MBS’ stinking ship.
Nova Gyna said:
Flicking through the drivers' presser, George mentioned there was no discussion between them and the FIA about Wittich's sacking. That seems to put to bed the rumours that a bust-up with some drivers forced him out.
To give Occam’s razor its due, it’s probably just a case of the wiser rats abandoning MBS’ stinking ship.
He stated he was sacked, that we know. Why, we don't know. To give Occam’s razor its due, it’s probably just a case of the wiser rats abandoning MBS’ stinking ship.
It was often said Charlie Whiting was irreplaceable - it turns out that was true. It's been a complete st show since we lost him and what was for 2 decades+ a respectful partnership between him and the drivers, now appears to be more akin to war. At very least respect and trust has been replaced with... confusion. None of the drivers seem to have any inkling as to why Niels has been booted - all they know is that something was obviously not right, and whatever it was, they are no longer close enough to understand. That's light years away from the positive relationship they had with the RD role in Whitings day.
Since his passing, no one else has survived more than 5 minutes without some sort of drama
t show since we lost him and what was for 2 decades+ a respectful partnership between him and the drivers, now appears to be more akin to war. At very least respect and trust has been replaced with... confusion. None of the drivers seem to have any inkling as to why Niels has been booted - all they know is that something was obviously not right, and whatever it was, they are no longer close enough to understand. That's light years away from the positive relationship they had with the RD role in Whitings day.Since his passing, no one else has survived more than 5 minutes without some sort of drama
Nova Gyna said:
Jasandjules said:
Leaves? Leaves? Gets booted....
I think it was Oscar Wilde who said, to lose one race director may be regarded as a misfortune; but to lose three in as many years makes you look an incompetent tt. Or something along those lines. 
Jasandjules said:
It certainly is not a good look. And has been eruditely noted above, Mr Whiting did the job for 20 years FFS.
Trues but he/they didn’t have a well tested succession plan. Masi was the successor but I don’t recall Charlie testing him by letting him be the leader for some weekends under his watch? I’m not having a go at Charlie, but it is an issue for many senior people.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff