Official 2024 Las Vegas Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[PlywoodPascal]

Mark-C said:

He wasn't "slightly" better than Sainz - he had 10 points finishes (inc 2 fourth places) for 49 points versus 7 points finishes (a highest of seventh) for18 points.

I say this as a big fan of Carlos who hopes he'll do really well at Williams next year.

its worth saying though that after Verstappen Sr complained at the first race about the timing of verstappen's qualifying runs, Helmut Marko told the pit-wall/race strategy team for verstappen's car that they could make whatever choice of qualifying/race strategy they wanted and they would answer only to him. he told them to choose whatever they thought best for verstappen, even if it directly contradicted the instructions of the team boss Franz Tost. Tost was not aware of the arrangement.

[Altrezia]

Who was Franco hiding on Teds notebook?

[Killer2005]

The greatest night in the history of F1

Edited by Killer2005 on Monday 25th November 11:40

[Byker28i]

TikTak said:

Also on Williams, where has theirs gone and didn't Vowles say like 3 races ago they don't have the parts to keep rebuilding cars etc? Are they slow now because they're using 2 year old bits glued on?

Crashes come out of their operational budget, thats expensive to fix so affects other things, like how many people they can take to races? Are they running a smaller team?

[Sandpit Steve]

Byker28i said:

TikTak said:

Also on Williams, where has theirs gone and didn't Vowles say like 3 races ago they don't have the parts to keep rebuilding cars etc? Are they slow now because they're using 2 year old bits glued on?

Crashes come out of their operational budget, thats expensive to fix so affects other things, like how many people they can take to races? Are they running a smaller team?

Sadly it wouldn’t be much of a surprise to hear that there’s an overtime ban in the body shop, a few design engineers finding themselves working on other projects, and maybe even a few people missing from the races.

They’re at something bonkers like $10m in crash damage so far this year - before Franco took three corners, two wings, a floor, a gearbox casing, and many other assorted carbon bits, off his car on Friday night.

[RGG]

rallycross said:

thegreenhell said:

Were there any crowds? I only watched the C4 highlights, but all I saw of the track was grey tarmac, grey concrete barriers and grey catch fencing. I don't recall seeing any crowds or anything that identified it as Las Vegas. It could have been the middle of any desert in the world from what it looked like on TV.

Agree it looks horrible on the tv bland ugly typical US street circuit with concrete and fencing all the way round.

Same here. Especially given this was "VEGAS".

I nearly posted this yesterday.

The only brightness I saw was a lingering camera shot of the beginning and/or end of an ever changing clip of an advertising banner.

I don't know if anyone else noticed that but it did seem excessive and I guess predictable given the direction F1 is going.

[CT05 Nose Cone]

RGG said:

rallycross said:

thegreenhell said:

Were there any crowds? I only watched the C4 highlights, but all I saw of the track was grey tarmac, grey concrete barriers and grey catch fencing. I don't recall seeing any crowds or anything that identified it as Las Vegas. It could have been the middle of any desert in the world from what it looked like on TV.

Agree it looks horrible on the tv bland ugly typical US street circuit with concrete and fencing all the way round.

Same here. Especially given this was "VEGAS".

I nearly posted this yesterday.

The only brightness I saw was a lingering camera shot of the beginning and/or end of an ever changing clip of an advertising banner.

I don't know if anyone else noticed that but it did seem excessive and I guess predictable given the direction F1 is going.

For all they boast of the glitz and glamour, most of the track looks like they're driving through a B&Q warehouse

[Nova Gyna]

RGG said:

rallycross said:

thegreenhell said:

Were there any crowds? I only watched the C4 highlights, but all I saw of the track was grey tarmac, grey concrete barriers and grey catch fencing. I don't recall seeing any crowds or anything that identified it as Las Vegas. It could have been the middle of any desert in the world from what it looked like on TV.

Agree it looks horrible on the tv bland ugly typical US street circuit with concrete and fencing all the way round.

Same here. Especially given this was "VEGAS".

I nearly posted this yesterday.

The only brightness I saw was a lingering camera shot of the beginning and/or end of an ever changing clip of an advertising banner.

I don't know if anyone else noticed that but it did seem excessive and I guess predictable given the direction F1 is going.

Perhaps I’m misunderstanding the comments here, because it looked undeniably Vegas to me.

Or are you meaning more how generic and bland the circuit itself appeared?

[RGG]

Nova Gyna said:

RGG said:

rallycross said:

thegreenhell said:

Were there any crowds? I only watched the C4 highlights, but all I saw of the track was grey tarmac, grey concrete barriers and grey catch fencing. I don't recall seeing any crowds or anything that identified it as Las Vegas. It could have been the middle of any desert in the world from what it looked like on TV.

Agree it looks horrible on the tv bland ugly typical US street circuit with concrete and fencing all the way round.

Same here. Especially given this was "VEGAS".

I nearly posted this yesterday.

The only brightness I saw was a lingering camera shot of the beginning and/or end of an ever changing clip of an advertising banner.

I don't know if anyone else noticed that but it did seem excessive and I guess predictable given the direction F1 is going.

Perhaps I’m misunderstanding the comments here, because it looked undeniably Vegas to me.

Or are you meaning more how generic and bland the circuit itself appeared?

Watching the race, I could see black tarmac, grey concrete barriers and the temporary catch fencing which I found dismaying.

Considering this was Vegas. The only brightness and stimulation after the cars were the advertising hoardings.

There was no sense of track position or layout.

Plus the camera angles showed too many forward shots which in turn showed limited, if even that, sense of the real speed.

It's just my take on the event.

[StevieBee]

RGG said:

Nova Gyna said:

RGG said:

rallycross said:

thegreenhell said:

Were there any crowds? I only watched the C4 highlights, but all I saw of the track was grey tarmac, grey concrete barriers and grey catch fencing. I don't recall seeing any crowds or anything that identified it as Las Vegas. It could have been the middle of any desert in the world from what it looked like on TV.

Agree it looks horrible on the tv bland ugly typical US street circuit with concrete and fencing all the way round.

Same here. Especially given this was "VEGAS".

I nearly posted this yesterday.

The only brightness I saw was a lingering camera shot of the beginning and/or end of an ever changing clip of an advertising banner.

I don't know if anyone else noticed that but it did seem excessive and I guess predictable given the direction F1 is going.

Perhaps I’m misunderstanding the comments here, because it looked undeniably Vegas to me.

Or are you meaning more how generic and bland the circuit itself appeared?

Watching the race, I could see black tarmac, grey concrete barriers and the temporary catch fencing which I found dismaying.

Considering this was Vegas. The only brightness and stimulation after the cars were the advertising hoardings.

There was no sense of track position or layout.

Plus the camera angles showed too many forward shots which in turn showed limited, if even that, sense of the real speed.

It's just my take on the event.

Just came here to post pretty much the same thing.

Singapore 'looks' nice. So does AbuDhabi. LasVegas looks in parts as though it could be running around the industrial area.

[Wills2]

All the night time street circuits look dismal and dystopian, cars racing around a 3 sided metal and tarmac cage, great.

[Spevs]

I think Vegas doesn't have long to live on the F1 calender. Having been to Abu Dabi whilst it was nice and warm it is soulless compared to Spa, Silverstone, Monaco, Montreal, haven't been to Monza but I think I wouldn't be disappointed.

[Derek Smith]

Spevs said:

I think Vegas doesn't have long to live on the F1 calender. Having been to Abu Dabi whilst it was nice and warm it is soulless compared to Spa, Silverstone, Monaco, Montreal, haven't been to Monza but I think I wouldn't be disappointed.

Have you considered money? That's a great way to resuscitate.

[BunkMoreland]

Nova Gyna said:

Perhaps I’m misunderstanding the comments here, because it looked undeniably Vegas to me.

Or are you meaning more how generic and bland the circuit itself appeared?

Me too! (ahem)

The Sphere doing its thing, multiple long shots from helicopters showing the various hotels beside the track. Yeah the close ups could have been Singapore. But that's the nature.

Would people prefer they paint the track is garish colours?

[cuprabob]

BunkMoreland said:

Would people prefer they paint the track is garish colours?

The French probably would.

[Aids0G]

I know Max has his detractors on here (fair enough) but I love the fact he won the WDC and immediately got on the beers/gin/more beers while doing all the media rounds, great to see and why not your WDC go for it! link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxdRaGNIK1o

[entropy]

I don't get it. It was a great race, lots of close racing, LH coming from P10-P2, there was even a battle for the lead.

I saw lots of fans in the stands on the TV coverage.

I think some people want some sort of confirmation bias due to not liking Liberty's direction. The organisation was garish to the extreme I'm happy to put up with it.

Another 6 years of Monaco - remind me what happened at the Monaco GP this year.

[RichB]

entropy said:

I don't get it. It was a great race, lots of close racing, LH coming from P10-P2, there was even a battle for the lead. I saw lots of fans in the stands on the TV coverage. I think some people want some sort of confirmation bias due to not liking Liberty's direction. The organisation was garish to the extreme I'm happy to put up with it. Another 6 years of Monaco - remind me what happened at the Monaco GP this year.

I enjoyed the race but you have to agree that the interview/prize giving procedure was crass, convoluted in the extreme and there was no one there to watch it.

[Nova Gyna]

BunkMoreland said:

Nova Gyna said:

Perhaps I’m misunderstanding the comments here, because it looked undeniably Vegas to me.

Or are you meaning more how generic and bland the circuit itself appeared?

Me too! (ahem)

The Sphere doing its thing, multiple long shots from helicopters showing the various hotels beside the track. Yeah the close ups could have been Singapore. But that's the nature.

Would people prefer they paint the track is garish colours?

I must admit, I did spot a few nods around the track that hinted it was Vegas - easy to miss, I suppose, if you weren’t really paying attention.

[dobly]

Apparently a crowd of 304,000 over the race weekend. Good to see that George has now got 10% of the poll vote now!