F1's seriously evaluating return to V10 engines

[Siao]

kambites said:

Siao said:

Jesus, you really hate V8's!!!!

I like V8s in general; I just hated the late F1 V8s.

Yeah, I was jesting a bit! I agree that they didn't sound as good as the previous engines, but still, better than the current ones

[paulguitar]

kambites said:

Another interesting point. How many of the current F1 circuits have licenses which would allow them to run a full pack of cars as loud as the old N/A V10s?

All of them, unless some new laws have been made since 2013.

[kambites]

paulguitar said:

kambites said:

Another interesting point. How many of the current F1 circuits have licenses which would allow them to run a full pack of cars as loud as the old N/A V10s?

All of them, unless some new laws have been made since 2013.

A fair number of the current circuits didn't exist in 2013!

[thegreenhell]

kambites said:

paulguitar said:

kambites said:

Another interesting point. How many of the current F1 circuits have licenses which would allow them to run a full pack of cars as loud as the old N/A V10s?

All of them, unless some new laws have been made since 2013.

A fair number of the current circuits didn't exist in 2013!

I can't imagine most Las Vegas residents would welcome them with their race in the middle of the night.

[PhilAsia]

thegreenhell said:

geeks said:

No, its not, people want a V10 (apparently) I want to know how it will improve the racing, a question I am yet to have answered.

An engine, any engine, in and of itself won't improve the 'racing'. How have the multi-billion dollar hybrid turbos improved the racing? The answer is they haven't. It's just a means of propulsion in an otherwise aero-dominated formula.

What a V10 would do is improve the overall spectacle, in particular for the fans at the trackside. It would bring back a noise that you can feel through your whole body, rather than just a drone and a whoosh as a hybrid passes.

And it would be at least one order of magnitude cheaper to produce for everyone involved.

"Noise that you can feel through your whole body", reminds me of a Jamaican sound system. Particularly, Jack Ruby's Sound System: 40 x KT88 valves, pushing out 20,000 Watts! The rolled off bass gets sweeter and sweeter as the valves come into their own throughout the session!

You have to experience it. Closest now is Notting Hill Carnival, and that is being pressured to stop. No V10s and no Carnival is going completely the wrong way - no fun!

[paulguitar]

thegreenhell said:

kambites said:

paulguitar said:

kambites said:

Another interesting point. How many of the current F1 circuits have licenses which would allow them to run a full pack of cars as loud as the old N/A V10s?

All of them, unless some new laws have been made since 2013.

A fair number of the current circuits didn't exist in 2013!

I can't imagine most Las Vegas residents would welcome them with their race in the middle of the night.

Then they could run the race during the day.

[kambites]

Getting rid of all the stupid street circuits would hardly be a bad thing anyway.

[paulguitar]

kambites said:

Getting rid of all the stupid street circuits would hardly be a bad thing anyway.

Yup, especially Monaco.

[kambites]

paulguitar said:

kambites said:

Getting rid of all the stupid street circuits would hardly be a bad thing anyway.

Yup, especially Monaco.

Indeed. Generally the only Grand Prix I don't bother to watch.

[Siao]

kambites said:

paulguitar said:

kambites said:

Getting rid of all the stupid street circuits would hardly be a bad thing anyway.

Yup, especially Monaco.

Indeed. Generally the only Grand Prix I don't bother to watch.

I'd keep Monaco, the problem isn't the circuit alone, it's mostly the size of the cars that are longer than a Ford Transit...

[Nova Gyna]

kambites said:

paulguitar said:

kambites said:

Getting rid of all the stupid street circuits would hardly be a bad thing anyway.

Yup, especially Monaco.

Indeed. Generally the only Grand Prix I don't bother to watch.

Tend to agree. It’s the one weekend where Saturday is far more exciting than Sunday.

[paulguitar]

Siao said:

I'd keep Monaco, the problem isn't the circuit alone, it's mostly the size of the cars that are longer than a Ford Transit...

Nah, it's been hopeless forever. It's just not a suitable place to race cars.


Now if they made them drive gearbox karts, that would be way more like it!

[PhilAsia]

paulguitar said:

Siao said:

I'd keep Monaco, the problem isn't the circuit alone, it's mostly the size of the cars that are longer than a Ford Transit...

Nah, it's been hopeless forever. It's just not a suitable place to race cars.


Now if they made them drive gearbox karts, that would be way more like it!

+1

[thegreenhell]

paulguitar said:

Siao said:

I'd keep Monaco, the problem isn't the circuit alone, it's mostly the size of the cars that are longer than a Ford Transit...

Nah, it's been hopeless forever. It's just not a suitable place to race cars.


Now if they made them drive gearbox karts, that would be way more like it!

Or swap F1 for a MotoGP race at Monaco.

[TikTak]

PhilAsia said:

paulguitar said:

Siao said:

I'd keep Monaco, the problem isn't the circuit alone, it's mostly the size of the cars that are longer than a Ford Transit...

Nah, it's been hopeless forever. It's just not a suitable place to race cars.


Now if they made them drive gearbox karts, that would be way more like it!

+1

Excellent. It's like a mid-season race where someone turned on the "mini mode" cheat.

[otolith]

geeks said:

which is in part why the weighted seat was introduced to help with this and also to prevent lighter smaller drivers from taking advantage of ballast positions.

That seems like lowering the basketball hoop to stop players taking advantage of their tallness.

[braddo]

otolith said:

geeks said:

which is in part why the weighted seat was introduced to help with this and also to prevent lighter smaller drivers from taking advantage of ballast positions.

That seems like lowering the basketball hoop to stop players taking advantage of their tallness.

It's more like horse jockeys, or maybe if heavyweight boxing had a maximum weight limit of only 90kg and you'd have Tyson Fury trying to slim down to that weight!

All the drivers were super skinny before the weighted seat. They're more bulked up now.

[otolith]

braddo said:

It's more like horse jockeys, or maybe if heavyweight boxing had a maximum weight limit of only 90kg and you'd have Tyson Fury trying to slim down to that weight!

All the drivers were super skinny before the weighted seat. They're more bulked up now.

Yes, and the inherent advantage of naturally lighter drivers is removed. Not a playing field that needed levelling.

[thegreenhell]

otolith said:

Yes, and the inherent advantage of naturally lighter drivers is removed. Not a playing field that needed levelling.

It really was needed. In a sport where every gram matters, the teams were forcing drivers into unhealthy levels of weight loss to get the cars down to the minimum weight. Teams with tiny drivers had an unfair advantage, since the specified car weight is car plus driver.

If the minimum car weight was specified without driver then fair enough, but including them in the measurement meant teams were squeezing the driver as much as possible while still expecting them to perform in a very physical sport.

[Siao]

paulguitar said:

Siao said:

I'd keep Monaco, the problem isn't the circuit alone, it's mostly the size of the cars that are longer than a Ford Transit...

Nah, it's been hopeless forever. It's just not a suitable place to race cars.


Now if they made them drive gearbox karts, that would be way more like it!

I think a lot of people would love that idea!

I do like that it is different. Basically an elongated version of the quali, the driver against the clock. With an added bonus of a random opportunistic overtake. I don't mind it, since it is just one in the calendar. Well, that was before we got another 55 street tracks...