F1's seriously evaluating return to V10 engines

[kambites]

Piginapoke said:

I can't see it- the manufactures will have no interest in V10s, as good as it would be

Quite. It will only happen if F1 feel they no longer want/need car manufacturers to be involved. Which realistically means it will only happen if F1 becomes a spec series with regard to engines, which would be disastrous in the long run, IMO.

I guess if car manufacturers lose interest in ICE entirely before F1 is happy to go non-ICE, a spec engine might be the only option in which case it might as well be a V10 (or similar). I suspect that would ultimately be the death of F1 though.

Edited by kambites on Sunday 23 February 16:40

[markbigears]

For the love of God, please go back to V10s.
This year I’m getting my fix listening to the Aston Martin Valkyrie.

[bergclimber34]

I doubt this happens, manufacturers want some degree of link to their road based stuff and that is predominantly hybrid or electric.

I think WEC set the standard in allowing very different routes to the end result, and F1 need to free up the engine regs to do this. then police it so that no one route is dominant, a lot easier nowadays with the technology you can use to limit power and check if people are cheating

[Big Nanas]

bergclimber34 said:

I doubt this happens, manufacturers want some degree of link to their road based stuff and that is predominantly hybrid or electric.

I think WEC set the standard in allowing very different routes to the end result, and F1 need to free up the engine regs to do this. then police it so that no one route is dominant, a lot easier nowadays with the technology you can use to limit power and check if people are cheating

The WEC thing has been discussed plenty of times. F1 would have to include a similar 'BoP' (balance of performance) which would literally mean the FIA could limit the performance, at will, of any of the teams. It seems to work in WEC, but seems very wrong for F1.

[ettore]

bergclimber34 said:

I doubt this happens, manufacturers want some degree of link to their road based stuff and that is predominantly hybrid or electric.

I think WEC set the standard in allowing very different routes to the end result, and F1 need to free up the engine regs to do this. then police it so that no one route is dominant, a lot easier nowadays with the technology you can use to limit power and check if people are cheating

When it comes to F1, I really don’t think they need, or care, for any direct connection. Even if some once did, it’s no longer the case. I doubt they’re really that bothered whether they’re directly involved in the power plant at all - the sport is much bigger than that. Spectacle, glamour, noise and the impression of mechanical competition will do - showbiz innit.

[LeoSayer]

There's no doubt that V10s sounded 100x better than the current turbo hybrids however I do feel that the racing is so much better in the current era.

Is that down of the combustion engine, electrical assistance, DRS or something else?

[ettore]

LeoSayer said:

There's no doubt that V10s sounded 100x better than the current turbo hybrids however I do feel that the racing is so much better in the current era.

Is that down of the combustion engine, electrical assistance, DRS or something else?

Cost cap.

[Byker28i]

Wh00sher said:

Days after the FIA was booed at F1-75, this is purely to deflect from that, it's never going to actually happen

That wasn't the FIA that was booed
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13315052/c...

[RichB]

Byker28i said:

Wh00sher said:

Days after the FIA was booed at F1-75, this is purely to deflect from that, it's never going to actually happen

That wasn't the FIA that was booed
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13315052/c...

The FIA were indeed booed when the presenter mentioned them.

[CLK-GTR]

Never going to happen.

My guess is an olive branch to the manufacturers who have sunk billions into V6 technology that they're now realising none of their customers have any interest in buying.

It might also be that they're finally realising WEC is stealing all the limelight.

[......]

The correct solution is doubling what we have and going for twin turbo V12s with 2000bhp. That would be entertaining to watch.

[kambites]

If they're going to focus on bringing back anything, I'd rather it was the size of the old V10 cars rather than their engine configuration.

[geeks]

kambites said:

If they're going to focus on bringing back anything, I'd rather it was the size of the old V10 cars rather than their engine configuration.

Exactly, lighter, smaller, able to follow, overtakes without DRS.. All of these things should happen before an engine from 30 years ago!

[TikTak]

I'd agree with the size of the cars, although aren't they a bit limited on this because of the size of the hybrid components and extra safety bits?

I obviously loved the V10s but I don't see them coming back. As said above wouldn't a smaller V8 be more in line with the "world" and keeping the hybrid bit.

[thegreenhell]

geeks said:

kambites said:

If they're going to focus on bringing back anything, I'd rather it was the size of the old V10 cars rather than their engine configuration.

Exactly, lighter, smaller, able to follow, overtakes without DRS.. All of these things should happen before an engine from 30 years ago!

How are you going to get back to small, light, simple cars without making the engines more simple again?

[geeks]

thegreenhell said:

geeks said:

kambites said:

If they're going to focus on bringing back anything, I'd rather it was the size of the old V10 cars rather than their engine configuration.

Exactly, lighter, smaller, able to follow, overtakes without DRS.. All of these things should happen before an engine from 30 years ago!

How are you going to get back to small, light, simple cars without making the engines more simple again?

2014 cars were smaller than they are now by quite some margin, which is when the V6 Hybrid was introduced. There are alot of clever people in F1, I am sure it they were told they would deliver. Weight is probably the biggest blocker though, given the season where drivers were fainting from having to trim down so much which is in part why the weighted seat was introduced to help with this and also to prevent lighter smaller drivers from taking advantage of ballast positions.

[paulguitar]

geeks said:

2014 cars were smaller than they are now by quite some margin, which is when the V6 Hybrid was introduced.

They were also pathetically unimpressive. I actually saw F1 cars being laughed at when I went to the GP in Catalunya that year. I never expected to witness an F1 car being laughed at.


They've improved a bit since then, but the current cars are still seriously underwhelming live. It's interesting to see how everyone reacts at a modern F1 race when an old NA car is sent out. It gets the whole crowd buzzing. We need to get back to that.

[geeks]

paulguitar said:

They were also pathetically unimpressive. I actually saw F1 cars being laughed at when I went to the GP in Catalunya that year. I never expected to witness an F1 car being laughed at.


They've improved a bit since then, but the current cars are still seriously underwhelming live. It's interesting to see how everyone reacts at a modern F1 race when an old NA car is sent out. It gets the whole crowd buzzing. We need to get back to that.

Were they, were they really?

So, will a V10 engine in a 2025 car improve the racing?

[paulguitar]

geeks said:

paulguitar said:

They were also pathetically unimpressive. I actually saw F1 cars being laughed at when I went to the GP in Catalunya that year. I never expected to witness an F1 car being laughed at.


They've improved a bit since then, but the current cars are still seriously underwhelming live. It's interesting to see how everyone reacts at a modern F1 race when an old NA car is sent out. It gets the whole crowd buzzing. We need to get back to that.

Were they, were they really?

Yes, yes they were.

geeks said:

So, will a V10 engine in a 2025 car improve the racing?

That's rather a foolish question. A V10 engine will not just be bunged into a 2025 car, as I am sure you know.

[Bo_apex]

thegreenhell said:

This isn't about the manufacturers. Manufacturers aren't going to be interested in spending a billion dollars on v6 hybrids or whatever when they're being forced to make only EV road cars. The manufacturers and their money will eventually leave the sport. This is about getting F1 back to its roots and free of the manufacturers with something that is both affordable for independent engine builders and spectacular for paying viewers. The likes of Cosworth and Judd could easily make a new V10 F1 engine for a fraction of the current PU cost.

+1
The so called cost-cutting didn't shake out.
Less spend can only be a positive.

High revs plus epic soundtrack is a bonus.