Prost considering quitting social media
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It’s strange but I’ve never thought of online forums like PH that are well run, moderated and populated by mostly like-minded people to be classed as social media. Generally, when someone steps out of line on here and resorts to petty insults or trolling, they’re dealt with. Compare that with X, Instagram, online hate groups (Anti-Hamilton Facebook page for example) or F1 BBC HYS where hate and negativity is permitted to propagate.
Blink982 said:
It’s strange but I’ve never thought of online forums like PH that are well run, moderated and populated by mostly like-minded people to be classed as social media. Generally, when someone steps out of line on here and resorts to petty insults or trolling, they’re dealt with. Compare that with X, Instagram, online hate groups (Anti-Hamilton Facebook page for example) or F1 BBC HYS where hate and negativity is permitted to propagate.
I agree; it's infinitely better here. I gave up Twitter last year, and that was a positive thing to do. This is still SM, though, just a much better grade. 
I don't really have an issue with SM being like that, I know the truth or as much as I can get of it as I have listened to numerous interviews with Alain about it, he strikes me as a fairly honest man, and in this subject not one to glorify. I listened to his Beyond the grid earlier and in that he says numerous things, one was that it was he indeed with Honda present who suggested Ayrton in late 86 they nearly had Honda in 87 actually another little snippet, as the team initially wanted to go with PIquet, Alain had power of veto then and suggested Ayrton. He also talks about the Pembrey test where Ron sorted all the post Imola 89 stuff out, and that Senna simply could not understand why what he did was wrong, to the point that he broke down. This is a grown man we are talking about here, but one that was very spoiled in ways, and was finding out things in life.
He also mentions in several interviews that he knows something very personal and secret about Ayrton that he will never reveal, he talks about the hours long phone chats they had, about racing and deeply personal things.
The basics of it are that once in F1 Ayrton had one target, not necessarily winning titles but beating Alain, it is intimated by Alain that this was a large part of what they talked about in late 93 early 94. Alain was Ayrton's motivation, he was lost and could not find a goal, he did not like Williams, and was struggling with things in his life.
I think he would have achieved far more post F1, he would have been a world level politician, hopefully unable to be steered by money and influence who might have done more for Brazil than anyone else., he would have certainly been able to help eradicate the horrendous poverty that exists in the big cities there.
He also mentions in several interviews that he knows something very personal and secret about Ayrton that he will never reveal, he talks about the hours long phone chats they had, about racing and deeply personal things.
The basics of it are that once in F1 Ayrton had one target, not necessarily winning titles but beating Alain, it is intimated by Alain that this was a large part of what they talked about in late 93 early 94. Alain was Ayrton's motivation, he was lost and could not find a goal, he did not like Williams, and was struggling with things in his life.
I think he would have achieved far more post F1, he would have been a world level politician, hopefully unable to be steered by money and influence who might have done more for Brazil than anyone else., he would have certainly been able to help eradicate the horrendous poverty that exists in the big cities there.
Two drivers from two different eras that overlapped in my opinion
They were born only five years apart, but Prost learnt F1 in cars that would rip your ankles off and destroy your legs if you had a bad accident. He saw Villeneuve killed and then Pironi crippled driving into the back of him.
Senna benefited from carbon fibre tubs, even in his Toleman cars. They weren't anywhere near as safe as they are now, but John Watson's massive McLaren '81 shunt would probably have killed him in a non carbon-fibre tub.
I believe Prost and Senna developed very different driving styles as a result of this. It is possible to argue that Senna would have driven as aggressively regardless if he had been born ten years earlier, but I suspect not, he was too intelligent.
The God thing put me off Senna and Prost could be very French. Two of the greats though. Not many of them.
They were born only five years apart, but Prost learnt F1 in cars that would rip your ankles off and destroy your legs if you had a bad accident. He saw Villeneuve killed and then Pironi crippled driving into the back of him.
Senna benefited from carbon fibre tubs, even in his Toleman cars. They weren't anywhere near as safe as they are now, but John Watson's massive McLaren '81 shunt would probably have killed him in a non carbon-fibre tub.
I believe Prost and Senna developed very different driving styles as a result of this. It is possible to argue that Senna would have driven as aggressively regardless if he had been born ten years earlier, but I suspect not, he was too intelligent.
The God thing put me off Senna and Prost could be very French. Two of the greats though. Not many of them.
I met Prost at the FOS. His Renault ended up coming into the Cathedral paddock where there was about 6 of us and no one else. We all had a nice chat with him although understandably he was quite overwhelmed.
I got to meet my racing hero.
PS A shame Pandey doesn’t play the clip of Senna missing his friend Alain on that fateful weekend.
https://youtu.be/gG0BD6-WNEs?si=ujm-LEBreitU2Z5p
I got to meet my racing hero.
PS A shame Pandey doesn’t play the clip of Senna missing his friend Alain on that fateful weekend.
https://youtu.be/gG0BD6-WNEs?si=ujm-LEBreitU2Z5p
Edited by Simes205 on Wednesday 12th March 23:32
A good point about eras. Alain grew around drivers dying being routine, Ayrton not so much, Ayrton's family was also very well off, so he never really saw hardship until much later in life when he became a far more human character and matured immensely into what he would have become. This for me is the saddest part of his demise. What he would have achieved would have perhaps changed Brazil for the better I hope
Of the two I still feel Alain is immensely under rated. For me he is top 3 ever. Because of the things he did to Alain, and others, Ayrton is bottom half of top 10 sadly. Down there with Schumacher. These were men who would stop at nothing to win, including cheating and hurting people, Alain only tried to do it once, was hopeless at it and would tell anyone who asked he was going to do it all weekend, yet the idiot still tried to pass him in 89. Perhaps the dumbest thing Ayrton ever did in a race car other than Portier in 88, again trying to prove a point to Alain, his only real, true motivation in F1 once he was an established winner.
Of the two I still feel Alain is immensely under rated. For me he is top 3 ever. Because of the things he did to Alain, and others, Ayrton is bottom half of top 10 sadly. Down there with Schumacher. These were men who would stop at nothing to win, including cheating and hurting people, Alain only tried to do it once, was hopeless at it and would tell anyone who asked he was going to do it all weekend, yet the idiot still tried to pass him in 89. Perhaps the dumbest thing Ayrton ever did in a race car other than Portier in 88, again trying to prove a point to Alain, his only real, true motivation in F1 once he was an established winner.
bergclimber34 said:
The big problem with this is that I would guess the vast majority of Senna fan boys caught the fag end of his career or none at all. And they are basing all of this on a couple of very biased showes made about Ayrton.
Interestingly the real relationship matured to a very high level once Alain retired and in several interviews you will hear Alain admitting that they became incredibly close in that time, hours and hours on the phone, revealing all sorts of things to him that he will NEVER reveal, so obviously deeply personal.
This is why Alain gets so annoyed by this, these shows are very slanted to Alain, for obvious reasons sure, but the way idiots like Bisgagnano start to cry and the other guys in the folm are almost in worship for Ayrton shows you what kind of film it was, it was far too much against ALain.
Yes, he and Balestre were close and I am sure Alain used that to his advantage, if the President was Brazilian do you not think Ayrton would have done the same?
The film for sure was very revealing, Alain did not like it as it failed to show the other side, he was at his funeral FFS, why would he do that in such a time if there was nothing but love between them by the end? They show that but fail to really explain the latter stages of their friendship.
If you listen to Alain he would not change a thing about it, it defined him as a champion and Ayrton as one, they both came it differently but without each other tat era would ahve been far duller, it was the last true and fully real rivalry motorsport had really..
Much the same as Rush where the friendship between James and Niki was rather played down, they were actually very good friends and were often seen talking to each other, none of that is evident.
Precisely this and Prost continues to work with the Senna Foundation even today. The Senna film painted a very false picture in the interests of entertainment. Senna sent a very heartfelt message to Prost over Williams team radio on the day he died. But of course very few people know that as it wasn't in the film.Interestingly the real relationship matured to a very high level once Alain retired and in several interviews you will hear Alain admitting that they became incredibly close in that time, hours and hours on the phone, revealing all sorts of things to him that he will NEVER reveal, so obviously deeply personal.
This is why Alain gets so annoyed by this, these shows are very slanted to Alain, for obvious reasons sure, but the way idiots like Bisgagnano start to cry and the other guys in the folm are almost in worship for Ayrton shows you what kind of film it was, it was far too much against ALain.
Yes, he and Balestre were close and I am sure Alain used that to his advantage, if the President was Brazilian do you not think Ayrton would have done the same?
The film for sure was very revealing, Alain did not like it as it failed to show the other side, he was at his funeral FFS, why would he do that in such a time if there was nothing but love between them by the end? They show that but fail to really explain the latter stages of their friendship.
If you listen to Alain he would not change a thing about it, it defined him as a champion and Ayrton as one, they both came it differently but without each other tat era would ahve been far duller, it was the last true and fully real rivalry motorsport had really..
Much the same as Rush where the friendship between James and Niki was rather played down, they were actually very good friends and were often seen talking to each other, none of that is evident.
Yes, it is such a shame, the information is out there in multiple interviews Alain has done, it is not hidden, all that is hidden is some of the very personal stuff Ayrton told Alain in those final few months, he has revealed openly that Ayrton was concerned about Benetton cheating which was proven to be the case, about his struggle to feel comfy at Willaims which again is a known issue there.
I struggle also to understand why these people make a film and fail to show the real picture, they spoke to Alain, the data is in the extras, yet they chose to not show it.
he has every right to feel miffed. As the story shown to the masses is not only unfair, but largely incomplete and in many ways goes against the real feeling and friendship they briefly shared at the end, the saddest thing of all is that this relationship would clearly have blossomed hugely in their later life.
I struggle also to understand why these people make a film and fail to show the real picture, they spoke to Alain, the data is in the extras, yet they chose to not show it.
he has every right to feel miffed. As the story shown to the masses is not only unfair, but largely incomplete and in many ways goes against the real feeling and friendship they briefly shared at the end, the saddest thing of all is that this relationship would clearly have blossomed hugely in their later life.
cgt2 said:
bergclimber34 said:
The big problem with this is that I would guess the vast majority of Senna fan boys caught the fag end of his career or none at all. And they are basing all of this on a couple of very biased showes made about Ayrton.
Interestingly the real relationship matured to a very high level once Alain retired and in several interviews you will hear Alain admitting that they became incredibly close in that time, hours and hours on the phone, revealing all sorts of things to him that he will NEVER reveal, so obviously deeply personal.
This is why Alain gets so annoyed by this, these shows are very slanted to Alain, for obvious reasons sure, but the way idiots like Bisgagnano start to cry and the other guys in the folm are almost in worship for Ayrton shows you what kind of film it was, it was far too much against ALain.
Yes, he and Balestre were close and I am sure Alain used that to his advantage, if the President was Brazilian do you not think Ayrton would have done the same?
The film for sure was very revealing, Alain did not like it as it failed to show the other side, he was at his funeral FFS, why would he do that in such a time if there was nothing but love between them by the end? They show that but fail to really explain the latter stages of their friendship.
If you listen to Alain he would not change a thing about it, it defined him as a champion and Ayrton as one, they both came it differently but without each other tat era would ahve been far duller, it was the last true and fully real rivalry motorsport had really..
Much the same as Rush where the friendship between James and Niki was rather played down, they were actually very good friends and were often seen talking to each other, none of that is evident.
Precisely this and Prost continues to work with the Senna Foundation even today. The Senna film painted a very false picture in the interests of entertainment. Senna sent a very heartfelt message to Prost over Williams team radio on the day he died. But of course very few people know that as it wasn't in the film.Interestingly the real relationship matured to a very high level once Alain retired and in several interviews you will hear Alain admitting that they became incredibly close in that time, hours and hours on the phone, revealing all sorts of things to him that he will NEVER reveal, so obviously deeply personal.
This is why Alain gets so annoyed by this, these shows are very slanted to Alain, for obvious reasons sure, but the way idiots like Bisgagnano start to cry and the other guys in the folm are almost in worship for Ayrton shows you what kind of film it was, it was far too much against ALain.
Yes, he and Balestre were close and I am sure Alain used that to his advantage, if the President was Brazilian do you not think Ayrton would have done the same?
The film for sure was very revealing, Alain did not like it as it failed to show the other side, he was at his funeral FFS, why would he do that in such a time if there was nothing but love between them by the end? They show that but fail to really explain the latter stages of their friendship.
If you listen to Alain he would not change a thing about it, it defined him as a champion and Ayrton as one, they both came it differently but without each other tat era would ahve been far duller, it was the last true and fully real rivalry motorsport had really..
Much the same as Rush where the friendship between James and Niki was rather played down, they were actually very good friends and were often seen talking to each other, none of that is evident.
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