Cars you didn't know existed...

Cars you didn't know existed...

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Reciprocating mass

5,800 posts

195 months

Wednesday 25th March
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ruggedscotty said:



3 door cavalier......
The mk2 cavalier came with many different badge’s









Edited by Reciprocating mass on Wednesday 25th March 23:04

2xChevrons

740 posts

34 months

Thursday 26th March
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The talk about Cavaliers a page or so back lead me to some wiki-walking. Vauxhalls/Opels are not what I'd consider my area of automotive expertise so I had a genuine "cars I didn't know existed moment" which might seem very obvious to some of you:



I had no idea that the Mk1 Cavalier was available as a Coupe. I knew about the Sporthatch, and I knew that that was a Griffin-ised Manta B CC. I also knew that the Manta B was available as a three-box coupe (the Berlinetta). I just never joined the dots to realise that Vauxhall offered a version of that, too.


saaby93 said:
Just think - had the plan been successful there would have been whole Metro Maestro and Montego sub- brands with half a dozen models, like they did with Mini smile
I know you're not being entirely serious, but it's not that there was any plan to make any of the Austin M-cars sub-brands. It was simply that the Austin marque was so worthless that it was actively hampering sales of the cars. BL had rebranded itself the Rover Group in preparation for privatisation and, to the same end, had decided that its future lay as a lower volume, higher market mid-size manufacturer focussing on the relatively untarnished Rover badge (plus revitalised MG and Land/Range Rover, of course). The M-cars were too old-fashioned and downmarket to be sold as Rovers, but Rover Group needed still needed their sales and volumes until the new 200/400 co-developed with Honda came along to replace the Maestro/Montego and a new supermini replaced the Metro (which in the event never happened so the Metro was re-engineered, moved upmarket, Rover-ised and partially replaced with the introduction of the R3 'bubble' 200).

So they stripped the Austin branding and adopted the weird 'marque-less' tactic. The cars were always technically Rovers, they appear as 'Rover Montegos' etc. on the V5s. The brochures adopted the Rover house style and the complete range-overview brochures had the M-cars tucked away on a couple of pages right at the back. The bonnet badges used the same moulding and style as the Rover longship, but with a logo with a cruciform shape reminiscient of the old Austin 'shield' badge which in turn was based on Herbert Austin's coat of arms and had been used on the Mini. But they put a lot of deliberate effort into distancing the ex-Austins from the new Rovers.

The Mini is even more complicated, because it was farmed off a sub-brand in 1969, re-joined the Austin stable in the early 1980s and was then de-Austin'ed with the rest of them in 1987 and becoming a hush-hush Rover product before being given its own brand identity again, with its own bespoke logo (still used by MINI, incorporating the wings from the old Austin badge and the roundel from the old Morris logo) and marketing just before the BMW takeover. This was at the same time that they ditched the low-spec 998cc City/Mayfair models and focussed solely on the 1275cc Coopers and special editions, thus making the Mini into the premium-priced urban fashion accessory with sporting cred that it has remained to this day.

Edited by 2xChevrons on Thursday 26th March 00:15

Meridius

1,346 posts

106 months

Thursday 26th March
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Plenty of American cars I have never heard of but one im liking lately is the Buick Riviera, '65 version with the funky headlights




And some older European cars that I am too young to remember, like the Audi 100 Coupe, these look pretty cool like Ford Capri, Datsun 240ish. Unfortunately though they were FWD, doing some reading on them it would seem Porsche used a few of them as 928 testbed where they were wider with a different floor and front-engined V8 RWD layout. Imagine if Audi had actually made that...


carinaman

15,022 posts

126 months

Thursday 26th March
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BFleming said:
Brazil also gave us some other gems. Gems, in the loosest sense...
I like both of those Fiats, the red Tempra two door more, as the other looks like a 127 with minimal changes.

StescoG66

1,236 posts

97 months

Thursday 26th March
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BFleming said:
Brazil model as it turns out.

Brazil also gave us some other gems. Gems, in the loosest sense...

I always liked the Tempra. Bloody good and under rated car in its day. That 2 door looks good (but I always liked 2.door saloons..)

The 127 is not a Brazil special- Europe (but not the UK) had the 127 Rustica painted in a fetching shade of hearing aid beige.....


s m

19,067 posts

157 months

Thursday 26th March
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StescoG66 said:
I always liked the Tempra. Bloody good and under rated car in its day. That 2 door looks good (but I always liked 2.door saloons..)

The 127 is not a Brazil special- Europe (but not the UK) had the 127 Rustica painted in a fetching shade of hearing aid beige.....
Like the Ford Verona/VW Apollo ...... (think of a 2-door Orion)



MarkwG

2,254 posts

143 months

Thursday 26th March
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2xChevrons said:
The talk about Cavaliers a page or so back lead me to some wiki-walking. Vauxhalls/Opels are not what I'd consider my area of automotive expertise so I had a genuine "cars I didn't know existed moment" which might seem very obvious to some of you:



I had no idea that the Mk1 Cavalier was available as a Coupe. I knew about the Sporthatch, and I knew that that was a Griffin-ised Manta B CC. I also knew that the Manta B was available as a three-box coupe (the Berlinetta). I just never joined the dots to realise that Vauxhall offered a version of that, too.
I confess my initial reaction was "really?!?!", then looked a little harder at that photo - growing up, Cavalier coupes were almost as thick as fleas on a dog, but I've never seen a LHD one - I figured they'd always be Opel Mantas.

LuS1fer

36,173 posts

199 months

Thursday 26th March
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The problem with the Cavalier Coupe was that the Manta was better looking.

While the saloon was popular for the Manta style front, I still preferred the Ascona myself.

BFleming

2,125 posts

97 months

Thursday 26th March
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StescoG66 said:
BFleming said:
Brazil also gave us some other gems. Gems, in the loosest sense...

The 127 is not a Brazil special- Europe (but not the UK) had the 127 Rustica painted in a fetching shade of hearing aid beige.....
Ah, but this is a Fiat 147 laugh A 127 for Brazil with some alternative engine choices.

Fast Bug

8,237 posts

115 months

Thursday 26th March
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BFleming said:
StescoG66 said:
BFleming said:
Brazil also gave us some other gems. Gems, in the loosest sense...

The 127 is not a Brazil special- Europe (but not the UK) had the 127 Rustica painted in a fetching shade of hearing aid beige.....
Ah, but this is a Fiat 147 laugh A 127 for Brazil with some alternative engine choices.
Which spawned the Oggi



And the Panorama



I went round the Fiat factory in Turkey once, they had some oddball stuff in their museum

BFleming

2,125 posts

97 months

Thursday 26th March
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Fast Bug said:
Which spawned the Oggi



And the Panorama



I went round the Fiat factory in Turkey once, they had some oddball stuff in their museum
Fantastic. That Oggi thing (127/128ish) looks like it would be a blast. FWD though.

ElectricSoup

6,779 posts

105 months

Thursday 26th March
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MarkwG said:
2xChevrons said:
The talk about Cavaliers a page or so back lead me to some wiki-walking. Vauxhalls/Opels are not what I'd consider my area of automotive expertise so I had a genuine "cars I didn't know existed moment" which might seem very obvious to some of you:



I had no idea that the Mk1 Cavalier was available as a Coupe. I knew about the Sporthatch, and I knew that that was a Griffin-ised Manta B CC. I also knew that the Manta B was available as a three-box coupe (the Berlinetta). I just never joined the dots to realise that Vauxhall offered a version of that, too.
I confess my initial reaction was "really?!?!", then looked a little harder at that photo - growing up, Cavalier coupes were almost as thick as fleas on a dog, but I've never seen a LHD one - I figured they'd always be Opel Mantas.
Can anyone identify the nationality of the number plate on that LHD Cavalier? Is it Scandinavian? Are there any LHD markets where Vauxhall was sold alongside Opel?

Loose_Cannon

1,408 posts

207 months

Thursday 26th March
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Funny thread this, one which I've avoided so far because if anything it's just a reminder I'm getting older than I want to be!

I keep imagining crusties like me shaking their heads at the screen because some relative sprog is scratching his head over a 70s kit car, meanwhile said sprog will be utterly dumbstruck why people my age can't identify a 2019 Hyundai.

Anyhow, this is my first contribution. Be gentle and pardon me if its mentioned 15 pages back or something. I had no idea this exsited, and can't honestly explain why it does especially at £45 grand used. The 2017 Infiniti QX80, a car which makes the Saangyong Musso look passable;






NomduJour

14,639 posts

213 months

Thursday 26th March
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ElectricSoup said:
Is it Scandinavian? Are there any LHD markets where Vauxhall was sold alongside Opel?
Yes, and yes.

Jimmy Recard

16,610 posts

133 months

Thursday 26th March
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I feel like I heard once that Vauxhall used to manage reasonable sales in Denmark but I'm not sure about that

swisstoni

8,970 posts

233 months

Thursday 26th March
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Loose_Cannon said:
Funny thread this, one which I've avoided so far because if anything it's just a reminder I'm getting older than I want to be!

I keep imagining crusties like me shaking their heads at the screen because some relative sprog is scratching his head over a 70s kit car, meanwhile said sprog will be utterly dumbstruck why people my age can't identify a 2019 Hyundai.

Anyhow, this is my first contribution. Be gentle and pardon me if its mentioned 15 pages back or something. I had no idea this exsited, and can't honestly explain why it does especially at £45 grand used. The 2017 Infiniti QX80, a car which makes the Saangyong Musso look passable;





There’s a whole class of SUVs we don’t get over here. I only came across them when I was in the Middle East for a while.
Massive lexus etc. All munters as far as I could make out.

manracer

1,140 posts

51 months

Thursday 26th March
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swisstoni said:
Loose_Cannon said:
Funny thread this, one which I've avoided so far because if anything it's just a reminder I'm getting older than I want to be!

I keep imagining crusties like me shaking their heads at the screen because some relative sprog is scratching his head over a 70s kit car, meanwhile said sprog will be utterly dumbstruck why people my age can't identify a 2019 Hyundai.

Anyhow, this is my first contribution. Be gentle and pardon me if its mentioned 15 pages back or something. I had no idea this exsited, and can't honestly explain why it does especially at £45 grand used. The 2017 Infiniti QX80, a car which makes the Saangyong Musso look passable;





There’s a whole class of SUVs we don’t get over here. I only came across them when I was in the Middle East for a while.
Massive lexus etc. All munters as far as I could make out.
I passed one of these on french plates on the M56 recently, friend said it was a LFC footballer.

Huge thing, seemed like it would dwarf a Range Rover

Dapster

3,696 posts

134 months

Thursday 26th March
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ElectricSoup said:
MarkwG said:
2xChevrons said:
The talk about Cavaliers a page or so back lead me to some wiki-walking. Vauxhalls/Opels are not what I'd consider my area of automotive expertise so I had a genuine "cars I didn't know existed moment" which might seem very obvious to some of you:



I had no idea that the Mk1 Cavalier was available as a Coupe. I knew about the Sporthatch, and I knew that that was a Griffin-ised Manta B CC. I also knew that the Manta B was available as a three-box coupe (the Berlinetta). I just never joined the dots to realise that Vauxhall offered a version of that, too.
I confess my initial reaction was "really?!?!", then looked a little harder at that photo - growing up, Cavalier coupes were almost as thick as fleas on a dog, but I've never seen a LHD one - I figured they'd always be Opel Mantas.
Can anyone identify the nationality of the number plate on that LHD Cavalier? Is it Scandinavian? Are there any LHD markets where Vauxhall was sold alongside Opel?
It's Swedish.



Dapster

3,696 posts

134 months

Thursday 26th March
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Meridius said:
...like the Audi 100 Coupe,... it would seem Porsche used a few of them as 928 testbed where they were wider with a different floor and front-engined V8 RWD layout.
Proper Frankenstein's monster of a car.

Built in 1974, Porsche shoe horned the V8 into the 100S shell, and had to widen the arches front and rear. The rear edge of the bonnet had to be lifted clear of the back of the engine too - you can just make out the extensions on the hinge on the top photo.






BFleming

2,125 posts

97 months

Thursday 26th March
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ElectricSoup said:
Can anyone identify the nationality of the number plate on that LHD Cavalier? Is it Scandinavian? Are there any LHD markets where Vauxhall was sold alongside Opel?
Swedish plate I think. It seems that before 1981, Vauxhall sold cars in Europe, in left hand drive guise, but it's widely thought they these were built by Opel on the continent. After 1981, Vauxhall was a UK-only brand.