RE: Video: Key fob reprogrammers steal BMW in 3 mins

RE: Video: Key fob reprogrammers steal BMW in 3 mins

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Steffan

10,362 posts

213 months

Sunday 5th August 2012
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There is another thread on PH which seems to contain a fair contribution of details.

hussein

54 posts

207 months

Wednesday 12th September 2012
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On BBC News Today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19562487

Also, Watchdog 8pm BBC 1 tonight.

TOM500

317 posts

208 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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Had my 535d nicked like this on Monday. Gutted.

jbi

12,652 posts

189 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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TOM500 said:
Had my 535d nicked like this on Monday. Gutted.
have BMW still not issues a "fix" for this yet?

bertie

8,523 posts

269 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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jbi said:
TOM500 said:
Had my 535d nicked like this on Monday. Gutted.
have BMW still not issues a "fix" for this yet?
Yes, my X5 was updated a couple of months ago.

Gmail

4 posts

120 months

Thursday 31st January 2013
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Hi, Im thinking of buying a used bmw (2007) from a private dealer, is it possible that the another fob could be copied by previous owner or the dealer himself and after I purchase it it could get stolen, is something like that possible? (I dont fully trust private dealers)


bertie

8,523 posts

269 months

Thursday 31st January 2013
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Gmail said:
Hi, Im thinking of buying a used bmw (2007) from a private dealer, is it possible that the another fob could be copied by previous owner or the dealer himself and after I purchase it it could get stolen, is something like that possible? (I dont fully trust private dealers)
No, you can't copy a fob.

The issue here was adding e new fob onto the car, not copying fobs.

Obviously if you don't get both fobs, that can keep one...

ZesPak

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23,891 posts

181 months

Friday 1st February 2013
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bertie said:
No, you can't copy a fob.

The issue here was adding e new fob onto the car, not copying fobs.

Obviously if you don't get both fobs, that can keep one...
Well, couldn't "they" have just "added" a third one in advance?

bertie

8,523 posts

269 months

Friday 1st February 2013
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ZesPak said:
Well, couldn't "they" have just "added" a third one in advance?
Oh yes, if they have the kit, which is clearly not difficult to get, and if the car hasn't had the software updated.

But if you've got an original key, you can add a new key to any car.

If the seller fails to give you all the keys, it's always an issue no matter what the car.

gt350

27 posts

119 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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Only just seen this video because it was mentioned on Wikipedia. Absolute scum bags!

CraigyMc

15,011 posts

221 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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bertie said:
ZesPak said:
Well, couldn't "they" have just "added" a third one in advance?
Oh yes, if they have the kit, which is clearly not difficult to get, and if the car hasn't had the software updated.

But if you've got an original key, you can add a new key to any car.

If the seller fails to give you all the keys, it's always an issue no matter what the car.
The software update BMW are using to "rectify" this only affects the window.

I have talked to two dealerships this week on the topic.

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bertie

8,523 posts

269 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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CraigyMc said:
The software update BMW are using to "rectify" this only affects the window.

I have talked to two dealerships this week on the topic.

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Sorry, I don't understand??

CraigyMc

15,011 posts

221 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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bertie said:
CraigyMc said:
The software update BMW are using to "rectify" this only affects the window.

I have talked to two dealerships this week on the topic.

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Sorry, I don't understand??
There's been discussion of a number of potential things BMW are doing to shore up the security on their cars.
One is a fix to stop it being so easy to wind a window down without the correct key.
Another is a fix to stop it being so easy to register new keys without an original key being present.

In my dealings with BMW this week, I've found that they are doing the first fix from these. Actually changing the car so it cannot program a new key without the original one being present is not something they (the dealer service department staff) know about.

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Scuffers

20,887 posts

259 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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CraigyMc said:
There's been discussion of a number of potential things BMW are doing to shore up the security on their cars.
One is a fix to stop it being so easy to wind a window down without the correct key.
Another is a fix to stop it being so easy to register new keys without an original key being present.

In my dealings with BMW this week, I've found that they are doing the first fix from these. Actually changing the car so it cannot program a new key without the original one being present is not something they (the dealer service department staff) know about.

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so a complete cop-out then....

stunning.

bertie

8,523 posts

269 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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CraigyMc said:
There's been discussion of a number of potential things BMW are doing to shore up the security on their cars.
One is a fix to stop it being so easy to wind a window down without the correct key.
Another is a fix to stop it being so easy to register new keys without an original key being present.

In my dealings with BMW this week, I've found that they are doing the first fix from these. Actually changing the car so it cannot program a new key without the original one being present is not something they (the dealer service department staff) know about.

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My X5 was update last October, and the fix I was informed about was the removal of the ability to add keys over the diagnostics without and original key.

EddieFelson

1,167 posts

199 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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bertie said:
My X5 was update last October, and the fix I was informed about was the removal of the ability to add keys over the diagnostics without and original key.
So what happens if you lose the original key?

carinaman

19,440 posts

157 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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As Thatcham didn't recategorise these cars in light of these vulnerabilities are they now having to create some new, ultra sooper dooper, mega secure category for these BMWs that have been issued with the fix?

As a customer, especially used, how are people supposed to identify the new ultra sooper dooper secure BMWs from the ones that haven't had this 'fix'?

carinaman

19,440 posts

157 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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'Approved used BMW, with yes we ensure all BMW approved used cars have the key fob vulnerability upgrade, or we pay your insurance excess when it gets nicked'?

David87

6,363 posts

197 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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Apologies if this has already been answered, but has anyone listed exactly which models of BMW are at risk? The reason I ask is my Granddad has recently purchased a 2011 E92 3-series and I told him to speak to the dealer before he bought it about any updates or recalls for some sort of fix for the theft issues, but they said there was nothing that could be done. Does that sound right?

Exactly the same thing seems to now be happening to the Mk2 Focus ST and RS too. frown

CraigyMc

15,011 posts

221 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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David87 said:
Apologies if this has already been answered, but has anyone listed exactly which models of BMW are at risk? The reason I ask is my Granddad has recently purchased a 2011 E92 3-series and I told him to speak to the dealer before he bought it about any updates or recalls for some sort of fix for the theft issues, but they said there was nothing that could be done. Does that sound right?

Exactly the same thing seems to now be happening to the Mk2 Focus ST and RS too. frown
Call BMW UK on 0800 083 4397 to see if your grandad's car is affected.

It's "most BMW's built from 2007 to September 2011".

If the dealer's service department doesn't know what you're talking about when you ask directly, get BMW UK to put you through after you talk with them about it, on that number.

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