RE: Chris Harris video: GT86 vs 370Z vs Cayman

RE: Chris Harris video: GT86 vs 370Z vs Cayman

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DoubleSix

10,034 posts

134 months

Friday 24th August 2012
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David1976 said:
The GT86 is bespoke.
No it isn't.

Dave Hedgehog

12,908 posts

162 months

Friday 24th August 2012
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DoubleSix said:
David1976 said:
The GT86 is bespoke.
No it isn't.
the body surely is, the engines a parts bin scooby job ofc

DoubleSix

10,034 posts

134 months

Friday 24th August 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
DoubleSix said:
David1976 said:
The GT86 is bespoke.
No it isn't.
the body surely is, the engines a parts bin scooby job ofc
Folks, I think you need to revisit the definition of bespoke. i.e Tailor made.

These cars are not individually crafted for their owners. Sorry to be a pedant but this is PH.

Dave Hedgehog

12,908 posts

162 months

Friday 24th August 2012
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DoubleSix said:
Folks, I think you need to revisit the definition of bespoke. i.e Tailor made.

These cars are not individually crafted for their owners. Sorry to be a pedant but this is PH.
you are correct

i have learnt something, thank you

!

vescaegg

23,356 posts

125 months

Friday 24th August 2012
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Obviously 200bhp may not be enough generally for 'getting the back out' On public roads but wasn't Monkeys original mini test (the 20 min one) showing him doing massive long tyre smoking drifts?

I know it was on track but surely it wasn't all just about carrying massive speed?
The car back then seemed to have more than enough power to maintain long graceful slides....


LaurasOtherHalf

18,158 posts

154 months

Friday 24th August 2012
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Just to get on the seating position, I couldn't get the seat low enough to feel comfortable but that's coming from a Z4M which does have a very adjustable cabin.

I did try manually lifting the seat up, then lowering it down to make sure I was doing it right but it still wouldn't go low enough for me, this car had the fancy seats package, not sure if that makes a difference?

Conversely to what others have said I did find the peddals well positioned for heal & toe, though I also found the brakes over servo'd (which modern car isn't these days outside of Porsche?) & the clutch had a strange "dampened" feel to it?

elementad

625 posts

108 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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There has been talk on this thread about the weight of cars (1500kg + being a porka), no need for 300bhp+, driving at 8/10ths etc.

Does any one else get even a slight whiff of irony at Mr Harris's latest video (the 599 video) where he mentions:

"more power is always good" (it's got over 600bhp anyway!)

his new machine weights over 1.7 tonnes

He'll very rarely get to drive it at more than 8/10ths.



Its ironic enough that he bought a Ferrari.

Just saying

Edited by elementad on Saturday 25th August 08:25

Bezza1969

777 posts

106 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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David1976 said:
There doesn't seem to be much middle ground on the GT86.

People either love it or express disappointment in the (mainly) straight line performance. I get the impression lot's of people wanted the car to be £20-22K based on early reports, and that coming out at £25K it has become less affordable and hated as a result. I have bought one, and come from a mix of German cars, Fast Hot Hatches and Elise based variants.

For sure it cannot hold a candle to the point-and-squirt instant speed nature of a blown hot hatch, but it is a lot more fun to drive. It doesn't quite have Elise steering either, although it isn't far off, and is way better than hot hatches of any description in my opinion and I've owned plenty. How anyone can comment on the seating being too high is beyond me... It is pretty damn low if you ask me (unless you want to sit on the carpet).

Over the limit handling? Sure, you cannot drift it on public roads. It doesn't have enough torque. But you can get the back end to play, and in a nicer way than a FWD car where you normally have to rely on lifting your right foot.

I went into Toyota thinking a lot of what the negative posters point out but was blown away by what Toyobaru have produced. And you can drive it safe in the assurance that you are not in a souped-up family hatch.
Im with you on this one, I find myself really wanting this car and I think EVO magazine are totally wrong, disappointgly wrong in fact, considering they are a magazine that supposedly promote driving pleasure above everything else, in fact Im seriously thinking of cancelling my subscription..Autocar however are spot on. This car is gonna do really really well, because it hits the buttons where it counts, i.e. daily ownership, rather than on the Nurburgring at full pelt like all those Renaultsports!

s m

19,808 posts

161 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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anonymous said:
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That's more of a separate project than a proper long-termer which would have to remain as from the factory. I actually thought this would e quite interesting as they're planning to do what all the forum 'what-iffers' are talking about.

Firstly, geometry changes, suspension changes and tyres.......then benchmark against a standard car in a sprint competition.

Secondly, more poke on top afterwards which is the right order to do it IMO

Will be able to see what has an effect and there will invariably be people doing this to the car.
Just like with rwd coupes over the years and Elises/Exiges etc

s m

19,808 posts

161 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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anonymous said:
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I'd be more inclined to listen to their findings than some random on the Internet who'd done the same, just as with tyre tests.

They did take a while to come out with the 309Gti project results but at least they did fess up and say they only equalled the R53 MCS times after all the mods.

What happened to the EVO Veyrog and 135i projects? They've gone quiet

PAULBECKHAM11

19 posts

136 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
the body surely is, the engines a parts bin scooby job ofc
Let me clear up a few mistakes on this one :-) the car was designed from the ground up to be a sports car, 90% of the parts on the car are specially made for that car, also the engine block is Scooby but thats it, the head was designed and made by Toyota - go to the top gear website for the story on the design and build of the car - which was led by two Toyota guys - Subaru had very little to do with it.

LordGrover

31,568 posts

170 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Found me another 86 vid: youtube

Alex

9,968 posts

242 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Just had a thought. The GT86 would be so much better with a Honda S2000 engine. Higher revving and just the right amount of power.

In fact, my perfect affordable car would be a 2+2 Honda S2000 Coupe.

bicycleshorts

1,936 posts

119 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Alex said:
Just had a thought. The GT86 would be so much better with a Honda S2000 engine. Higher revving and just the right amount of power.

In fact, my perfect affordable car would be a 2+2 Honda S2000 Coupe.
1 word: Emissions.

Captain Muppet

8,537 posts

223 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Alex said:
Just had a thought. The GT86 would be so much better with a Honda S2000 engine. Higher revving and just the right amount of power.

In fact, my perfect affordable car would be a 2+2 Honda S2000 Coupe.
I wish Honda had made one of those. Or a RWD Integra Type R.

Steve vRS

3,855 posts

199 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Alex said:
Just had a thought. The GT86 would be so much better with a Honda S2000 engine. Higher revving and just the right amount of power.

In fact, my perfect affordable car would be a 2+2 Honda S2000 Coupe.
3 years ago in Japan....

"Hello, Mr. Honda, this is Mr. Toyota. Please can we have a S2000 engine to use in a new car?"

"No." <click>


Steve

otolith

42,495 posts

162 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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bicycleshorts said:
Alex said:
Just had a thought. The GT86 would be so much better with a Honda S2000 engine. Higher revving and just the right amount of power.

In fact, my perfect affordable car would be a 2+2 Honda S2000 Coupe.
1 word: Emissions.
More words - packaging, weight distribution, centre of gravity.

Captain Muppet

8,537 posts

223 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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otolith said:
bicycleshorts said:
Alex said:
Just had a thought. The GT86 would be so much better with a Honda S2000 engine. Higher revving and just the right amount of power.

In fact, my perfect affordable car would be a 2+2 Honda S2000 Coupe.
1 word: Emissions.
More words - packaging, weight distribution, centre of gravity.
Another three: pedestrian impact regulations.

Alex

9,968 posts

242 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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otolith said:
More words - packaging, weight distribution, centre of gravity.
I don't see thet the GT86 is significantly better on those criteria.

caraddict

1,069 posts

102 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Captain Muppet said:
Another three: pedestrian impact regulations.
What does pedestrian impact regulations have to do with what's under the bonnet?

Honda engines are nice, but you have to rev the tits of them... (Currently own a Mk2 CRX 1.6).