RE: Chris Harris video: GT86 vs 370Z vs Cayman
Discussion
caraddict said:
Captain Muppet said:
Another three: pedestrian impact regulations.
What does pedestrian impact regulations have to do with what's under the bonnet?With new cars you can't have any hard points within a certain distance of the bonnet (75mm?) which forces you to either have big bulbous ugly cars, or nice low engines, or explosive hinges to pop the bonnet up when you hit a pedestrian.
Alex said:
otolith said:
Packaging, weight distribution, centre of gravity.
GT86 weight distribution front/rear: 53:47S2000 weight distribution front/rear: 50:50
Packaging and CoG differences will be insignificant.
Plus, as people have said above, I don't think the S2000 engine would fit with enough bonnet clearance to conform to modern regulations. And I'm not sure about emissions regs either.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 29th August 11:46
Alex said:
GT86 weight distribution front/rear: 53:47
S2000 weight distribution front/rear: 50:50
Packaging and CoG differences will be insignificant.
Both dumbells have a 50:50 weight distribution:S2000 weight distribution front/rear: 50:50
Packaging and CoG differences will be insignificant.
You will also notice that the S2000 has no rear seats - it's an engine and a pair of seats, which is what you end up with if you try to package a longitudinal engine with a great weight distribution.
The GT86 has a lower centre of gravity than the S2000. You can say that these things are insignificant, but subjectively the car that the GT86 feels most like to me is the RX-8 - which also has a small, short engine mounted low in the chassis.
otolith said:
The GT86 has a lower centre of gravity than the S2000. You can say that these things are insignificant,
Just to back this point up, I believe the Boxster has a superior skidpad performance to the Cayman simply because the CoG is lower. I would imagine the engine's lower CoG would similarly improve handling.Great discussion; I read all of it, began yesterday...
Here are my 2c: I test-drove both the BRZ and the GT86. They do not drive the same. What is being said about their suspension setup seemed very distinguishable to me. While, the BRZ has heavy and precise steering (it drives like a kart really) the GT86 dances around a bit. Whether you like it or not depends or your definition of fun. At a motorway exit (that I happen to know) it all did not feel very confidence inspiring, something I got used to in my BMW and I also found in the BRZ.
So it would be the BRZ for me...
...or perhaps not. Other things, like engine sound and the interior left me a bit wondering. Right after driving the GT 86 I sat in my e93 330i. Someone earlier said that his car would feel like Bentley after the GT86. I can say pretty much the same. Engine note, sound insulation, interior, all these things are simply lacking on in Toyotabaru and I think I'd miss them. That very thought had me terrified as, after all, I wasn't perhaps the kind of petrol-head I thought
Anyway, I still may consider the BRZ if the dealer makes a good offer for my beemer. We have two cars so I can live with BRZ compromises (BTW I test drove it with my 2 year old daughter in the back). I love its steering, the seats, driving position and the unique look. Subaru dealership is also light years ahead of BMW customer care who seem to be primarily concerned with fleet clients these days. As for power, I find it adequate north of 5000rpm.
However, if I can't trade in my beemer at acceptable conditions, then at some point it will be a 2.7 Boxster for me
Here are my 2c: I test-drove both the BRZ and the GT86. They do not drive the same. What is being said about their suspension setup seemed very distinguishable to me. While, the BRZ has heavy and precise steering (it drives like a kart really) the GT86 dances around a bit. Whether you like it or not depends or your definition of fun. At a motorway exit (that I happen to know) it all did not feel very confidence inspiring, something I got used to in my BMW and I also found in the BRZ.
So it would be the BRZ for me...
...or perhaps not. Other things, like engine sound and the interior left me a bit wondering. Right after driving the GT 86 I sat in my e93 330i. Someone earlier said that his car would feel like Bentley after the GT86. I can say pretty much the same. Engine note, sound insulation, interior, all these things are simply lacking on in Toyotabaru and I think I'd miss them. That very thought had me terrified as, after all, I wasn't perhaps the kind of petrol-head I thought
Anyway, I still may consider the BRZ if the dealer makes a good offer for my beemer. We have two cars so I can live with BRZ compromises (BTW I test drove it with my 2 year old daughter in the back). I love its steering, the seats, driving position and the unique look. Subaru dealership is also light years ahead of BMW customer care who seem to be primarily concerned with fleet clients these days. As for power, I find it adequate north of 5000rpm.
However, if I can't trade in my beemer at acceptable conditions, then at some point it will be a 2.7 Boxster for me
Edited by Sewa on Thursday 20th September 22:35
When Chris talks about yaw in a rear wheel drive car, Toyota has a history of this in their great MK2 MR2 it wasn't particually fast (170+ BHP It was modded) but you could feel the car move around and that made it thrilling at lower speeds needed on British A and B roads. Yaw is thrilling!
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