RE: Chris Harris video: GT86 vs 370Z vs Cayman

RE: Chris Harris video: GT86 vs 370Z vs Cayman

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cmoose

49,005 posts

187 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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DoubleSix said:
Folks, I think you need to revisit the definition of bespoke. i.e Tailor made.

These cars are not individually crafted for their owners. Sorry to be a pedant but this is PH.
In the context of cars, being bespoke would mean that it has a unique chassis made for it. A bespoke chassis design rather than one pinched from another model.

I'm not actually sure what the underpinnings are, but they might be bespoke.

cmoose

49,005 posts

187 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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Bezza1969 said:
Im with you on this one, I find myself really wanting this car and I think EVO magazine are totally wrong, disappointgly wrong in fact, considering they are a magazine that supposedly promote driving pleasure above everything else, in fact Im seriously thinking of cancelling my subscription..Autocar however are spot on. This car is gonna do really really well, because it hits the buttons where it counts, i.e. daily ownership, rather than on the Nurburgring at full pelt like all those Renaultsports!
Yup, EVO are all over the shop on the Toyobaru, I'm afraid. Not that it matters for toffee what I think, but was unsure about Catchpole before and his reviews of the BRZ and '86 haven't left me with much confidence. I just don't recognise much of what he says about the GT86...

Re Autocar, the odd thing is that having 'got' the 86, they appear to be about to ruin their long termer by sticking big aftermarket alloys and tyres on it and even talking about sticking a turbo on later, IIRC...

s m

19,674 posts

161 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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cmoose said:
Re Autocar, the odd thing is that having 'got' the 86, they appear to be about to ruin their long termer by sticking big aftermarket alloys and tyres on it and even talking about sticking a turbo on later, IIRC...
That's more of a separate project than a proper long-termer which would have to remain as from the factory. I actually thought this would e quite interesting as they're planning to do what all the forum 'what-iffers' are talking about.

Firstly, geometry changes, suspension changes and tyres.......then benchmark against a standard car in a sprint competition.

Secondly, more poke on top afterwards which is the right order to do it IMO

Will be able to see what has an effect and there will invariably be people doing this to the car.
Just like with rwd coupes over the years and Elises/Exiges etc

cmoose

49,005 posts

187 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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s m said:
That's more of a separate project than a proper long-termer which would have to remain as from the factory. I actually thought this would e quite interesting as they're planning to do what all the forum 'what-iffers' are talking about.
It will be if they're absolutely, positively up front about the results. Which is easier said than done when you've just blagged £5k's worth of boots, wheel, coilovers and anchors.

s m

19,674 posts

161 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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cmoose said:
s m said:
That's more of a separate project than a proper long-termer which would have to remain as from the factory. I actually thought this would e quite interesting as they're planning to do what all the forum 'what-iffers' are talking about.
It will be if they're absolutely, positively up front about the results. Which is easier said than done when you've just blagged £5k's worth of boots, wheel, coilovers and anchors.
I'd be more inclined to listen to their findings than some random on the Internet who'd done the same, just as with tyre tests.

They did take a while to come out with the 309Gti project results but at least they did fess up and say they only equalled the R53 MCS times after all the mods.

What happened to the EVO Veyrog and 135i projects? They've gone quiet

PAULBECKHAM11

19 posts

136 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
the body surely is, the engines a parts bin scooby job ofc
Let me clear up a few mistakes on this one :-) the car was designed from the ground up to be a sports car, 90% of the parts on the car are specially made for that car, also the engine block is Scooby but thats it, the head was designed and made by Toyota - go to the top gear website for the story on the design and build of the car - which was led by two Toyota guys - Subaru had very little to do with it.

LordGrover

31,478 posts

170 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Found me another 86 vid: youtube

Alex

9,968 posts

242 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Just had a thought. The GT86 would be so much better with a Honda S2000 engine. Higher revving and just the right amount of power.

In fact, my perfect affordable car would be a 2+2 Honda S2000 Coupe.

bicycleshorts

1,936 posts

119 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Alex said:
Just had a thought. The GT86 would be so much better with a Honda S2000 engine. Higher revving and just the right amount of power.

In fact, my perfect affordable car would be a 2+2 Honda S2000 Coupe.
1 word: Emissions.

Captain Muppet

8,537 posts

223 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Alex said:
Just had a thought. The GT86 would be so much better with a Honda S2000 engine. Higher revving and just the right amount of power.

In fact, my perfect affordable car would be a 2+2 Honda S2000 Coupe.
I wish Honda had made one of those. Or a RWD Integra Type R.

Steve vRS

3,831 posts

199 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Alex said:
Just had a thought. The GT86 would be so much better with a Honda S2000 engine. Higher revving and just the right amount of power.

In fact, my perfect affordable car would be a 2+2 Honda S2000 Coupe.
3 years ago in Japan....

"Hello, Mr. Honda, this is Mr. Toyota. Please can we have a S2000 engine to use in a new car?"

"No." <click>


Steve

otolith

42,192 posts

162 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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bicycleshorts said:
Alex said:
Just had a thought. The GT86 would be so much better with a Honda S2000 engine. Higher revving and just the right amount of power.

In fact, my perfect affordable car would be a 2+2 Honda S2000 Coupe.
1 word: Emissions.
More words - packaging, weight distribution, centre of gravity.

Captain Muppet

8,537 posts

223 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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otolith said:
bicycleshorts said:
Alex said:
Just had a thought. The GT86 would be so much better with a Honda S2000 engine. Higher revving and just the right amount of power.

In fact, my perfect affordable car would be a 2+2 Honda S2000 Coupe.
1 word: Emissions.
More words - packaging, weight distribution, centre of gravity.
Another three: pedestrian impact regulations.

Alex

9,968 posts

242 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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otolith said:
More words - packaging, weight distribution, centre of gravity.
I don't see thet the GT86 is significantly better on those criteria.

caraddict

1,069 posts

102 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Captain Muppet said:
Another three: pedestrian impact regulations.
What does pedestrian impact regulations have to do with what's under the bonnet?

Honda engines are nice, but you have to rev the tits of them... (Currently own a Mk2 CRX 1.6).

cmoose

49,005 posts

187 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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caraddict said:
What does pedestrian impact regulations have to do with what's under the bonnet?
You probably need a certain amount of space around the engine these days to reduce hard points. That, I think, explains the increasingly bulbous front ends you see these days.

Using the Honda I4 may mean the nose would have to be longer and taller as the lump itself is longer and taller.

Alex

9,968 posts

242 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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The engine is way back in the engine bay in an S2000.


caraddict

1,069 posts

102 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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cmoose said:
You probably need a certain amount of space around the engine these days to reduce hard points. That, I think, explains the increasingly bulbous front ends you see these days.

Using the Honda I4 may mean the nose would have to be longer and taller as the lump itself is longer and taller.
I see your point and it's valid, but having difficulties with imagining that engines of todays new cars are designed with that in mind...

otolith

42,192 posts

162 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Alex said:
The engine is way back in the engine bay in an S2000.

Look how tall it is. And how long. Think about how much lower a Boxer sits in the chassis.

Alex

9,968 posts

242 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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otolith said:
Look how tall it is. And how long. Think about how much lower a Boxer sits in the chassis.
Your point being?