RE: Chris Harris video: 911 Turbo vs McLaren 12C

RE: Chris Harris video: 911 Turbo vs McLaren 12C

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toppstuff

13,698 posts

211 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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I must say that people looking at the Porsche may well be better of looking at the R8 V10 with the new DSG box. I am sure that Harris would concur that the Audi is a lovely thing - he certainly much preferred it to the old 997 TT.

I think that is a much more desirable thing than the Porsche and equally ever-day usable. Only downside is no rear seats.

If the rear seats are a must-have then choices become more limited.


cayman-black

10,247 posts

180 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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LukeyLikey said:
....and I'm back again.
roflrofl

julian64

13,263 posts

218 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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Urban Sports said:
graeme4130 said:
GALLARDOGUY said:
APOLO1 said:
Chris Great Vid,

Why did you not use launch control on both cars. Also was the TTS in sport plus mode, missive diff not just in torque but throttle map....I have done this test and if all the tts assets are used, its faster to 120.....Along with the 12C-SP as tested in that Colour is listed at 243k if it has CCBDs, the TTS as tested is 142k.....100k Diff......

Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 27th November 20:51
The excuses begin...

I'm afraid Mr Harris, your time as a motoring journalist is at an end, for you have contradicted the man who is beyond reproach and is most respected poster in the history of PH and perhaps the Internet.

APOLO1 is never wrong.
Haha, well put.
Who is this APOLO1?

Never heard of him.
If this is the last thread I ever click on with APOLO in I'll be a happy man. The sadness is that someone with apparently all that money posts like a 13 year old petulant child.

APOLO1

4,843 posts

158 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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julian64 said:
Urban Sports said:
graeme4130 said:
GALLARDOGUY said:
APOLO1 said:
Chris Great Vid,

Why did you not use launch control on both cars. Also was the TTS in sport plus mode, missive diff not just in torque but throttle map....I have done this test and if all the tts assets are used, its faster to 120.....Along with the 12C-SP as tested in that Colour is listed at 243k if it has CCBDs, the TTS as tested is 142k.....100k Diff......

Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 27th November 20:51
The excuses begin...

I'm afraid Mr Harris, your time as a motoring journalist is at an end, for you have contradicted the man who is beyond reproach and is most respected poster in the history of PH and perhaps the Internet.

APOLO1 is never wrong.
Haha, well put.
Who is this APOLO1?

Never heard of him.
If this is the last thread I ever click on with APOLO in I'll be a happy man. The sadness is that someone with apparently all that money posts like a 13 year old petulant child.
Oi,
do you think I give a FF......

toppstuff

13,698 posts

211 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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APOLO1 said:
Oi,
do you think I give a FF......
Clearly you cared enough to open PH, click, read and type in a response. So you must care a lot.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

135 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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toppstuff said:
APOLO1 said:
Oi,
do you think I give a FF......
Clearly you cared enough to open PH, click, read and type in a response. So you must care a lot.
Apolo1, I am with toppstuff on this - really there is no need for a combative demeanour, it is not as if you have anything to prove. Your experience is most valuable, and please keep sharing.

beer

cayman-black

10,247 posts

180 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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Mermaid said:
Apolo1, I am with toppstuff on this - really there is no need for a combative demeanour, it is not as if you have anything to prove. Your experience is most valuable, and please keep sharing.

beer
Agree PHs would be a lot duller with out APOLO1. Like it or not he does know his cars.

APOLO1

4,843 posts

158 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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cayman-black said:
Agree PHs would be a lot duller with out APOLO1. Like it or not he does know his cars.
There is a back story to this Vid....Wait till Jan....

GALLARDOGUY

8,160 posts

183 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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cayman-black said:
Agree PHs would be a lot duller with out APOLO1. Like it or not he does know his cars.
Not sure if serious.

Chris Harris

494 posts

117 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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APOLO1 said:
There is a back story to this Vid....Wait till Jan....
Love to know what the back story is! I think I was there for the days this was shot.

And the Porsche used launch control on every launch. Which means to get all the angles it did 15 consecutive launches without any trouble whatsoever. Imagine how strong the powertrain is to do that? Mighty impressive. The 12C would do 2 launches and then needed to have a clutch re-think before running again. McLaren were there with the car. Porsche weren't.

No idea what your beef is with the veracity of the drag race. It's there in the pictures. Obviously we have to patch various shots of different runs to make the narrative flow properly, but otherwise it's just two cars, launch control, and go. You can't fake that, don't quite understand why I'd ever want to.

I really, really like the 991 Turbo S - far more than the old 997. Have said so all along, wrote it here a month back and said so in the video.

Although after a decade of being accused of being paid by Porsche, I have to say your rabid and of course wholly offensive assertion that I'm somehow now in McLaren's pocket actually makes quite a refreshing change.

Have a good weekend. Enjoy your rather excellent car.



GALLARDOGUY

8,160 posts

183 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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Really don't worry about it Mr Harris. He makes it up as he goes along.

tjlees

1,378 posts

201 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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EskimoArapaho said:
Note to self: Must stop calling it 'mecca' - makes me look like a compleet eejut

HTH wink
ok mp4-12c if that feeds your OCD feelings hehe

Mermaid

21,492 posts

135 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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Chris Harris said:
APOLO1 said:
There is a back story to this Vid....Wait till Jan....
Love to know what the back story is! I think I was there for the days this was shot.

And the Porsche used launch control on every launch. Which means to get all the angles it did 15 consecutive launches without any trouble whatsoever. Imagine how strong the powertrain is to do that? Mighty impressive. The 12C would do 2 launches and then needed to have a clutch re-think before running again. McLaren were there with the car. Porsche weren't.

No idea what your beef is with the veracity of the drag race. It's there in the pictures. Obviously we have to patch various shots of different runs to make the narrative flow properly, but otherwise it's just two cars, launch control, and go. You can't fake that, don't quite understand why I'd ever want to.

I really, really like the 991 Turbo S - far more than the old 997. Have said so all along, wrote it here a month back and said so in the video.

Although after a decade of being accused of being paid by Porsche, I have to say your rabid and of course wholly offensive assertion that I'm somehow now in McLaren's pocket actually makes quite a refreshing change.

Have a good weekend. Enjoy your rather excellent car.
Thanks for posting thumbup

If Apolo1 knows something, say it now.

APOLO1

4,843 posts

158 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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Chris Harris said:
Love to know what the back story is! I think I was there for the days this was shot.

And the Porsche used launch control on every launch. Which means to get all the angles it did 15 consecutive launches without any trouble whatsoever. Imagine how strong the powertrain is to do that? Mighty impressive. The 12C would do 2 launches and then needed to have a clutch re-think before running again. McLaren were there with the car. Porsche weren't.

No idea what your beef is with the veracity of the drag race. It's there in the pictures. Obviously we have to patch various shots of different runs to make the narrative flow properly, but otherwise it's just two cars, launch control, and go. You can't fake that, don't quite understand why I'd ever want to.

I really, really like the 991 Turbo S - far more than the old 997. Have said so all along, wrote it here a month back and said so in the video.

Although after a decade of being accused of being paid by Porsche, I have to say your rabid and of course wholly offensive assertion that I'm somehow now in McLaren's pocket actually makes quite a refreshing change.

Have a good weekend. Enjoy your rather excellent car.
Dear Mr Harris,

Many thanks for the clarification. With regard to the LC and the use of Sport Plus on the 991tts

Edited by APOLO1 on Friday 29th November 18:25

cayman-black

10,247 posts

180 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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APOLO does know,its just that CH doesnt YET!!!!!!!!!!

toppstuff

13,698 posts

211 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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When Chris compared the old 997 Turbo S to the R8V10 Plus S Tronic he gave the nod to the Audi.

How would he feel about the new 991 Turbo S vs the Audi?




_Batty_

12,268 posts

214 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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What's happening Jan?
Other than New Years.

DanielSan

16,048 posts

131 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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_Batty_ said:
What's happening Jan?
Other than New Years.
A new DFS sale.

JDMDrifter

3,871 posts

129 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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_Batty_ said:
What's happening Jan?
Other than New Years.
Burns Night ?

DT398

1,648 posts

112 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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Chris Harris said:
Love to know what the back story is! I think I was there for the days this was shot.

And the Porsche used launch control on every launch. Which means to get all the angles it did 15 consecutive launches without any trouble whatsoever. Imagine how strong the powertrain is to do that? Mighty impressive. The 12C would do 2 launches and then needed to have a clutch re-think before running again. McLaren were there with the car. Porsche weren't.

No idea what your beef is with the veracity of the drag race. It's there in the pictures. Obviously we have to patch various shots of different runs to make the narrative flow properly, but otherwise it's just two cars, launch control, and go. You can't fake that, don't quite understand why I'd ever want to.

I really, really like the 991 Turbo S - far more than the old 997. Have said so all along, wrote it here a month back and said so in the video.

Although after a decade of being accused of being paid by Porsche, I have to say your rabid and of course wholly offensive assertion that I'm somehow now in McLaren's pocket actually makes quite a refreshing change.

Have a good weekend. Enjoy your rather excellent car.
That's a great video but you are starting to sound a bit like Robert Peston in the early narrative. To be avoided at all costs! ;-)