Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)

Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)

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Martin350

3,386 posts

153 months

Sunday 27th September
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Aw, the seats look really sad, they made me sad! frown


Petrus1983

3,975 posts

120 months

Sunday 27th September
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Martin350 said:
Aw, the seats look really sad, they made me sad! frown

I think the car is truly stunning, buuutttt - I couldn’t help myself....



cc8s

4,149 posts

161 months

Tuesday 29th September
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S1KRR said:
https://www.parks.uk.com/mclaren/used-cars/1188080...

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2900 miles. As usual with modern McLarens. Hell of a hit on depreciation!
I think you could do a lot worse on a 4/5 year old car... Considering that some P13s and 720S seem to have lost up anywhere up to £100k in a year or two, the 675LT held its value for a long time. It has a superb reputation and the ex-Flemke car noted has a superb spec. If I had the pennies, I would be very tempted!

CanAm

5,934 posts

230 months

Tuesday 29th September
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What would the list price have been back then?

flemke

22,615 posts

195 months

Tuesday 13th October
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Church of Noise said:
Flemke, what are your thoughts on the T50s? https://www.topgear.com/car-news/first-look/gma-t5...

Not too sure if it'll be very usable on the road, if that article is a good indication...
On the other hand, given that it's quite customisable (e.g., GM mentioned that downforce could be reduced if the customer desires so)...
I love the idea of a 4L V12 and a very lightweight car beautifully crafted. It should be a wonderful machine.
The issue with all this super-fast stuff is: what does one do with it? When there are GT3s, Lotus Elises, and even LCC Rockets costing 90% less that cannot be driven to their full capacities without inducing legal and social distress, does one really need something that can be driven at even less of its full capacity? We're not talking about a track car here.
If you're not going to drive it ('properly'), an exotic car become more an object of possession and for bragging rights, and those things do not motivate me. On my desk I keep a lovely Formula One titanium wheelnut that is impossibly light. It's sort-of all I need.


flemke

22,615 posts

195 months

Tuesday 13th October
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Church of Noise said:
Flemke, what are your thoughts on the T50s? https://www.topgear.com/car-news/first-look/gma-t5...

Not too sure if it'll be very usable on the road, if that article is a good indication...
On the other hand, given that it's quite customisable (e.g., GM mentioned that downforce could be reduced if the customer desires so)...
I'm not Flemke but considering it's a racing car then I'd say it won't be very useful on the road.
It's a racing car? scratchchin
Like the original F1, I think the T.50 is explicitly not a racing car. wink

flemke

22,615 posts

195 months

Tuesday 13th October
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DannyScene said:
flemke said:
I have known him independently of his social media work. One of his first videos, back in I think 2011, was of my car.
I'm guessing this isn't the 'chasing an enzo through london, acceleration and revving'!
Er, no. wink

flemke

22,615 posts

195 months

Tuesday 13th October
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TomW.SP said:
flemke said:
No. I normally do not put PPF on my cars, as it distorts the paint colour. In my opinion, stone chips are a part of the reality of driving, and PPF is sort-of the equivalent to never starting the engine because you want the exhaust tips to stay as-new, or putting plastic covers on the seats and steering wheel.
Hi Flemke, would you mind possibly sending me an email when you have a moment - tomw@salonpriveconcours.com
Sorry, but I have been preoccupied for the last four weeks and not active here.
Would you still like me to contact you, or would this be in relation to an event now past?

flemke

22,615 posts

195 months

Tuesday 13th October
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Joe911 said:
S1KRR said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5DxRZOB_2o

It's worth watching for 2 reasons

1) It's Flemkes F1 after he had it repaired following the minor bump on an Autobahn. And it looks stunning. I assume it's Mr F driving, but the windows are carefully blurred to preserve his anonymity.
2) The heir to the biscuit company thankfully doesn't feature at all! laugh
I was driving, Flemke was busy selling an Island, or something like that.
It was a fun day - I was only told afterwards that the value of the car had increased 2 or 3 fold since the last time I'd driven it.
I still cringe thinking about THAT corner (at 34s) - what was I thinking! I was distracted by something and just fked it it up totally - no idea why Tim included it in the footage!
I wonder whether I'll ever drive an F1 again - totally intoxicating sound.
You had better drive it again - you are wanted back by popular demand!

flemke

22,615 posts

195 months

Tuesday 13th October
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650spider said:
Flemke, i seen something really nice at McLaren Glasgow today; anything to do with you?
Not directly, no.

Petrus1983

3,975 posts

120 months

Tuesday 13th October
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Nice to see you back smile

TyrannosauRoss Lex

25,741 posts

170 months

Tuesday 13th October
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flemke said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Church of Noise said:
Flemke, what are your thoughts on the T50s? https://www.topgear.com/car-news/first-look/gma-t5...

Not too sure if it'll be very usable on the road, if that article is a good indication...
On the other hand, given that it's quite customisable (e.g., GM mentioned that downforce could be reduced if the customer desires so)...
I'm not Flemke but considering it's a racing car then I'd say it won't be very useful on the road.
It's a racing car? scratchchin
Like the original F1, I think the T.50 is explicitly not a racing car. wink
May help to look at the article linked and that it was the T.50s he questioned, not the T.50 wink

flemke

22,615 posts

195 months

Tuesday 13th October
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
flemke said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Church of Noise said:
Flemke, what are your thoughts on the T50s? https://www.topgear.com/car-news/first-look/gma-t5...

Not too sure if it'll be very usable on the road, if that article is a good indication...
On the other hand, given that it's quite customisable (e.g., GM mentioned that downforce could be reduced if the customer desires so)...
I'm not Flemke but considering it's a racing car then I'd say it won't be very useful on the road.
It's a racing car? scratchchin
Like the original F1, I think the T.50 is explicitly not a racing car. wink
May help to look at the article linked and that it was the T.50s he questioned, not the T.50 wink
Ah, sorry - I thought 'T50s' meant multiple T50s, as in 'T50s'. wink
I am afraid that I have nothing worthwhile to add. It's close to being a modern racing car, modern racing cars on slicks are incredibly fast, especially when going around bends. The car will weigh more than, but have less power than, certain modern racing cars, with aero efficiency maybe in the same ballpark (Gordon has fewer restrictions on what he can do, but at the same time he doesn't have $100m/yr to spend perfecting the aero, so maybe that balances out).


flemke

22,615 posts

195 months

Tuesday 13th October
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Petrus1983 said:
Nice to see you back smile
Cheers. My life was hit by a hurricane of things that had to get done asap. Things are calmer now. smile

Nockenpaul

70 posts

24 months

Thursday 15th October
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Nockenpaul

70 posts

24 months

Saturday 17th October
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Ok, let's geek out and dig in the movie I linked above. One thing that caught my eye were engine mounts, seen in the lower left of the pic below:



Pretty similar placement to what is on the F1, but much wider spacing, or possibly the same spacing with a smaller engine. For comparison:



(next to the blue coolant hose one can see a beefier engine mount that also holds some ancillary - oil pump?)

One thing I didn't realise is that F1's (and presumably t50's, as it seems to reheat a lot of the same approach) engine is attached from the front only with two of those famous asymmetrical compliance bushes, see the pic below:



I guess that there is also third mount on a gearbox and the whole assembly hangs off a bronzish bridge across the engine bay as shown below, but I am unable to verify this:



It's amazing to me that this rather flexible, by the looks of it, arrangement is supposed to contribute to the stiffness of the chassis and transfer suspension loads (although not quite - the rear dampers are mounted to the protrusions of the tub, not to the gearbox in F1). Of course, if GM's calculations showed that it is enough for a road car, then it is, period. However, do I recall correctly that later race cars had additional subframe to stiffen up the rear portion of the chassis?

Edited by Nockenpaul on Saturday 17th October 11:50


Edited by Nockenpaul on Saturday 17th October 11:51

S1KRR

12,539 posts

170 months

Saturday 17th October
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Nockenpaul said:
.... However, do I recall correctly that later race cars had additional subframe to stiffen up the rear portion of the chassis?
The rear lower arms were getting bent as a result of the car running the kerbs at race tracks , there was a reinforcement made on them.

https://youtu.be/n8qyI7LmYrA?t=1085

marine boy

443 posts

136 months

Saturday 17th October
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S1KRR said:
The rear lower arms were getting bent as a result of the car running the kerbs at race tracks , there was a reinforcement made on them.

https://youtu.be/n8qyI7LmYrA?t=1085
That's correct, I flew out the repair kit of machined aluminium bars/glue with me on a last minute flight

Don't think the story of getting these parts out to Le mans has ever been told as it could have gone wrong in so many ways before the race had even started


shirt

19,923 posts

159 months

Sunday 18th October
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remember the engine/trans mounts only need to support the weight of the assembly, no road loads are transferred through them. hence 3 point suspension the same as any other car.

this link may help. the bulkhead mounts are taken from single seater design in which the engine/trans is a stressed member so whilst the car is lighter, the loads are higher.

https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...

Nockenpaul

70 posts

24 months

Sunday 18th October
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S1KRR said:
The rear lower arms were getting bent as a result of the car running the kerbs at race tracks , there was a reinforcement made on them.

https://youtu.be/n8qyI7LmYrA?t=1085
Wow, cheers for the link, I was not aware of this documentary. Interesting that about the wishbones, but I thought I read someone (was it Peter Stevens?) mentioning reinforcement to the sprung, rather than unsprung, mass. Maybe I remebered wrong.