Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????

[ThatnameagainitsTGE]

Brianfellows said:

Your channel is anything but measly to be honest. The small amount of content you have on the channel you have an insane amount of subscribers if you compare yourself to others out there. Also consider you don't really have any credentials when it comes to cars so a lot of the PH types aren't going to find you very appealing. Guess it helps being young and appealing to the dumb youtube types that think they can get rich quick for doing nothing.

(Not saying that's who you are or what you stand for but your channel is likely to attract that type of viewer rather than a more intelligent viewer that's looking for something more in depth)

Some advice someone gave me recently was that the more successful you become the more you will have to work. For example now you want a new camera, then a stabiliser, then an editor, then a cameraman and so on. Then you are at the stage where you aren't earning any money at all whereas your gym business IS.

Edited by Brianfellows on Wednesday 5th July 10:38

If honest yes, views per sub, and subs per video ratio is pretty mad compared with the usuals. Channel still in infant stages subs and content wise though. I've recently bought a gimbal, but when even Vlogging with just an iphone right now seems to fit the bill perfectly, I don't tend to bother using it. Viewers seem to be content with genuine down to earth, non scripted vlogs. The more 'special' videos though I will have a friend filming, get my drone up etc on a more fancy editing vibe. This is important also if wanting to demonstrate to brands for example you can make polished content.

I think though unfortunately, 'Brian' you've been unncessarily insulting to my viewership - not sure who made you the adjudicator of intelligence here. It would suprise you some of the impressive characters I've met in person that watch my channel/follow my social media, that I daresay have seen more success than any of us are ever likely to. Just like there may well be as you say, 'dumb' peple that watch the more in depth granular nerdy stuff. Anyhow, I couldn't care less about the IQ of the viewer - this is about sharing common interests and making content people want to see.

Further, another swipe I'll address is the 'credentials' comment - what credentials may these be please? As a young guy lucky enough to have owned a few nice pieces of kit and driven a fair few more, have I not got enough credentials to comment on my honest experiences with these various vehicles? Do I need to film myself heel and toe'ing endlessly and demonstrate powersliding prowess to gain your acclaim? I know I'm hardly Chris Harris, but then that's what Chris Harris is for & he fills his role perfectly.

[Beefmeister]

I have been slated in these fine forums (ha) quite a lot for giving my opinion in the Aston, Porsche, McLaren etc sections because I don't own one. Yes, I only drive a measly Octavia vRS, but have been writing about and driving super and sports cars for 10yrs now so probably have far more real world experience than most of the PH/YT keyboard warriors.

I suppose my point is, most people are dicks.

[nyxster]

ThatnameagainitsTGE said:

Succombed again to CAPS lock title baiting again last night upon top tips in this thread. First video I've done though that's not really involved a car. Pretty strong views for my measly channel already though.
Wondering what consensus of opinion is here - do you prefer the more cinematic heavily edited type videos or the one like my new vid below - simple as it gets?
Asked on my Instagram live stream the other night and most said the latter Vlog style which is interesting, also suits me as they're quick and easy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thQXEXEAQ3I

Righton, I'll give you some top tips from my -over-priced film & tv production course on how not to edit like a nob.

The human brain can only absorb information at a finite rate, and that absorbtion rate is split between audio and visual receptors, if you've ever tried to concentrate on driving while some annoying passenger chews your ears off to the point you can't concentrate you'll have experienced it.

In visual media montages and bumpers act as grammar to break up important content into absorbable snacksize bites. If you watch any pro edited show like TG you'll notice each section is broken down usually into 3-5 minute sections, which are thrn paced between narrative and pure visuals. Shmee (sorry Tim) actually makes my head hurt because he just talks constantly from start to finish filling in huge infodumps at a gorillion words a minute followed by uneeded verbiage. Its a classic noob error presenters make to fill 'uncomfortable silence' - compare it to Clarkson et al and they speaks probably 1/3 of the rate using /10th of the words. The best way to calculate a comfortable words per minute is record yourself reading a book, if you start to tune out listening then you are talking too fast and need to put more breaks in.

James (JWW) and Salomondrin's Goodwood videos were pretty spot on in mixing cinematics with bite size chunks of presenting - a good segment should have a short intro a break to montage, the main narrative followed by another break followed by a wrap up.

You can shoot any scene with 3 shots. a wide establishing shot, a presenter and where applicable interviwee shot and where applicable product shots. Start with your wide, then intercut the three and finish on a wide. comfortable intercuts are anything from 15 to 45 seconds long - long single pov shots have a tendancy tto get the brain to switch off - what happens is when you establish a shot the brain absorbs all the information it sees then loses attention, switching shots constantly refreshes the brain into absorbing the new view - that's the reasoning behind the fast cutting style of action films as they speed up the viwers brain which translates the urgency of the action. You know when you've achieved a solid balance when the percentages of completed watching to the end. Jww & salonondrin's stuff are great as they 'wash over' you and make for low brain engagement entertainment which works well in the flighty audience of internet where new content is a click away. Honestly I struggle to absorb more than 10 percent of Tim's video at a time because it feels like I'm being accosted by a coke fiend. He produces a lot of great content but really ruins it for me by just constantly over-talking - less really is more. The 'pro' appearance of someone like Jon Olsson's stuff comes from mirroring long-standing pro-editing techniques that keep audience attention and stop the thing sounding like an open university monologue.

It's obviously a pita to edit that way as you mentioned, but ask any director and they'll spend 3 x the time in post they do in production

Now this depends to a greater extent what you want to do with your channel. Baron Von Grumble did a great vlog talking about this and how youtube has evolved from simply being able to record him ranting about stuff on his bike to the sort of above near-pro edited content that is now coming out. As a hobby channel keeping it simple is fine, but for anyone wanting to get into the millions of subscribers and develop mainstream appeal the reduction in cost of high end cinema & broadcast quality kit and increased editing means that vlogs are fast becoming like mini tv episodes - once more channels start going the jon olsson route then the audience resets the quality benchmark at that level.

Beyond the production & content first and foremost it is your charisma and personality that gets audience retention. JWW & salomondrin both look very comfortable and natural in front of the camera, and have confidence to engage well with others to create fantastic improv - by comparison Seb looked like the 3rd wheel trying to crash the party and led to some cringe moments where he interjected himself into the proceedings breaking the scene. now compare it with the co-ordinated timing that the original TG three had and you see how well they riff off each other. BaronVonGrumble is the exception that proves the rule about monologues simply because his rants and tirades are so well constructed but even he uses an incredible grammar construct when he wants to make solid points and he mixes social commentary very well with informed owner bike reviews and his mobility scooter in soho was far too funny in a way the staged pranks rarely are.

I think you are on the right tracks - I've railed against the formulaic buy/wrap/sell bs stuff so you'd do well to avoid falling into that trap, if you are going to do it then mercilessly troll and take the piss out of the trope by clickbaiting a buying a then review some old stheap you bought for a hundred quid as if it was a supercar or do a 'model drives my super* car - then have her in a nissan bluebird or something. people want to be entertained and not taking yourself too seriously always helps the audience get on board. You have a irreverent style so use it to your advantage and troll like a boss ) - the key to it is not the cars or subject but how much you can engage and entertain the audience as a personality. There are stacks of channels that get no views simply because the creator didn't stop and ask themselves - am i interesting as a person to other people? By their hature actors and presenters are extroverts and clowns, the funniest yt guys are the ones who arn't afraid to make a dick of themselves in public - salomondrin is typical of a OTT guy who just annoys and amuses in equal measure, but he does entertain - a lot of youtubers come across like a personality free HMRC inspector - somone once said if you want to be a star you need to be attractive or funny because that's what sets you apart from the majority of viewers.

post too long, so to summarise;

personality trumps everything - pewdiepie has mostly garbage content and gets millions of views by being a complete of a clown.
slick editing and good production values help retention and reduce audience fatigue
less is often more - you are creating light entertainment not videoing a unabridged haynes manual - keep it short and sweet with plenty of eye candy. you only need to describe every wingmut if you are on the radio or doing closed caption for the blind.

last tip - always throw in a funny out-take when you have one right at the end as a treat for everyone who watches to completion.

hit up some film-making on a budget videos for lots of hacks to get cinematic standards on a shoestring time and budget.

remember humans get a huge amount of communication from facial expressions - don't gurn like an idiot but sometimes 'show don't tell' works better - clarkson is a master of a well placed look to communicate a mood - many new presenters look like they are reading at a funeral. a good exercise is to move all your face muscles into different expressions to loosen them up so you start your seg relaxed and expressive. but don't overdo it or you'll look like you've got some nervous disorder.

And as a caveat you don't have to do any of the above - they are just the keypoint takeaways presenters and actors learn that transform them from being joe public on a home video into full-fledged entertainers with audience appeal. You've got the chops for it, but its a craft you learn like any other and what marks the big stars apart from the horde of also-rans.

And prepare for the hate, being a extrovert showboat of a personality gets you attention but irks boring people in equal measure. It's really down to psychology that people are trained to be a faceless member of the pack, so whenever someone gets more attention than normal it breeds resentment 'they're nothing special etc' - that's simply people's lack of acceptance that they are not interesting to others. That's not to insult them it's purely personality traits and character but it manifests itself in attempts to drag people back down. Ironically it is that resentment which brreds the obnoxious attitudes of a lot of celebs because you have to learn to not give a fk about most people's opinions and attitudes. Royal Jordanian did an excellent video on youtube and social media hate - it really stings at first because you are working hard for little reward and doing your best to be good at what you do, those people wouldn't tolerate someone coming to their place of work and yelling how st they were and they should kill themselves - we all accept that we can't please everyone - Tim i am sure is a lovely gentlemen but his style just grates on me, i don't however do him the discourtesy of insulting him in his comments or downvotimg him because i understand what he does works for his very large fanbase - and honestly if he just toned down the constant talking I'd find him very watchable. What it comes down to is seperating genuine criticism about things you can fix from clear troll hate, but ultimately the more succesful you become the more people will decide you are a grade a tt especially on the internet where the angry mob seem to find a cesspit of mutual loathing to wallow their unimportant lives into rather than offer anything constructive to add to society.

Edited by nyxster on Wednesday 5th July 13:15

[jon-]

nyxster said:

Righton, I'll give you some top tips from my -over-priced film & tv production course on how not to edit like a nob.

The human brain can only absorb information at a finite rate, and that absorbtion rate is split between audio and visual receptors, if you've ever tried to concentrate on driving while some annoying passenger chews your ears off to the point you can't concentrate you'll have experienced it.

In visual media montages and bumpers act as grammar to break up important content into absorbable snacksize bites. If you watch any pro edited show like TG you'll notice each section is broken down usually into 3-5 minute sections, which are thrn paced between narrative and pure visuals. Shmee (sorry Tim) actually makes my head hurt because he just talks constantly from start to finish filling in huge infodumps at a gorillion words a minute followed by uneeded verbiage. Its a classic noob error presenters make to fill 'uncomfortable silence' - compare it to Clarkson et al and they speaks probably 1/3 of the rate using /10th of the words. The best way to calculate a comfortable words per minute is record yourself reading a book, if you start to tune out listening then you are talking too fast and need to put more breaks in.

James (JWW) and Salomondrin's Goodwood videos were pretty spot on in mixing cinematics with bite size chunks of presenting - a good segment should have a short intro a break to montage, the main narrative followed by another break followed by a wrap up.

You can shoot any scene with 3 shots. a wide establishing shot, a presenter and where applicable interviwee shot and where applicable product shots. Start with your wide, then intercut the three and finish on a wide. comfortable intercuts are anything from 15 to 45 seconds long - long single pov shots have a tendancy tto get the brain to switch off - what happens is when you establish a shot the brain absorbs all the information it sees then loses attention, switching shots constantly refreshes the brain into absorbing the new view - that's the reasoning behind the fast cutting style of action films as they speed up the viwers brain which translates the urgency of the action. You know when you've achieved a solid balance when the percentages of completed watching to the end. Jww & salonondrin's stuff are great as they 'wash over' you and make for low brain engagement entertainment which works well in the flighty audience of internet where new content is a click away. Honestly I struggle to absorb more than 10 percent of Tim's video at a time because it feels like I'm being accosted by a coke fiend. He produces a lot of great content but really ruins it for me by just constantly over-talking - less really is more. The 'pro' appearance of someone like Jon Olsson's stuff comes from mirroring long-standing pro-editing techniques that keep audience attention and stop the thing sounding like an open university monologue.

It's obviously a pita to edit that way as you mentioned, but ask any director and they'll spend 3 x the time in post they do in production

Now this depends to a greater extent what you want to do with your channel. Baron Von Grumble did a great vlog talking about this and how youtube has evolved from simply being able to record him ranting about stuff on his bike to the sort of above near-pro edited content that is now coming out. As a hobby channel keeping it simple is fine, but for anyone wanting to get into the millions of subscribers and develop mainstream appeal the reduction in cost of high end cinema & broadcast quality kit and increased editing means that vlogs are fast becoming like mini tv episodes - once more channels start going the jon olsson route then the audience resets the quality benchmark at that level.

Beyond the production & content first and foremost it is your charisma and personality that gets audience retention. JWW & salomondrin both look very comfortable and natural in front of the camera, and have confidence to engage well with others to create fantastic improv - by comparison Seb looked like the 3rd wheel trying to crash the party and led to some cringe moments where he interjected himself into the proceedings breaking the scene. now compare it with the co-ordinated timing that the original TG three had and you see how well they riff off each other. BaronVonGrumble is the exception that proves the rule about monologues simply because his rants and tirades are so well constructed but even he uses an incredible grammar construct when he wants to make solid points and he mixes social commentary very well with informed owner bike reviews and his mobility scooter in soho was far too funny in a way the staged pranks rarely are.

I think you are on the right tracks - I've railed against the formulaic buy/wrap/sell bs stuff so you'd do well to avoid falling into that trap, if you are going to do it then mercilessly troll and take the piss out of the trope by clickbaiting a buying a then review some old stheap you bought for a hundred quid as if it was a supercar or do a 'model drives my super* car - then have her in a nissan bluebird or something. people want to be entertained and not taking yourself too seriously always helps the audience get on board. You have a irreverent style so use it to your advantage and troll like a boss ) - the key to it is not the cars or subject but how much you can engage and entertain the audience as a personality. There are stacks of channels that get no views simply because the creator didn't stop and ask themselves - am i interesting as a person to other people? By their hature actors and presenters are extroverts and clowns, the funniest yt guys are the ones who arn't afraid to make a dick of themselves in public - salomondrin is typical of a OTT guy who just annoys and amuses in equal measure, but he does entertain - a lot of youtubers come across like a personality free HMRC inspector - somone once said if you want to be a star you need to be attractive or funny because that's what sets you apart from the majority of viewers.

post too long, so to summarise;

personality trumps everything - pewdiepie has mostly garbage content and gets millions of views by being a complete of a clown.
slick editing and good production values help retention and reduce audience fatigue
less is often more - you are creating light entertainment not videoing a unabridged haynes manual - keep it short and sweet with plenty of eye candy. you only need to describe every wingmut if you are on the radio or doing closed caption for the blind.

last tip - always throw in a funny out-take when you have one right at the end as a treat for everyone who watches to completion.

hit up some film-making on a budget videos for lots of hacks to get cinematic standards on a shoestring time and budget.

remember humans get a huge amount of communication from facial expressions - don't gurn like an idiot but sometimes 'show don't tell' works better - clarkson is a master of a well placed look to communicate a mood - many new presenters look like they are reading at a funeral. a good exercise is to move all your face muscles into different expressions to loosen them up so you start your seg relaxed and expressive. but don't overdo it or you'll look like you've got some nervous disorder.

And as a caveat you don't have to do any of the above - they are just the keypoint takeaways presenters and actors learn that transform them from being joe public on a home video into full-fledged entertainers with audience appeal. You've got the chops for it, but its a craft you learn like any other and what marks the big stars apart from the horde of also-rans.

Just quoting an excellent post as my reply was deleted as the original TGE post was deleted by the mods . I'd hate for all this to disappear too.

[Brianfellows]

ThatnameagainitsTGE said:

If honest yes, views per sub, and subs per video ratio is pretty mad compared with the usuals. Channel still in infant stages subs and content wise though. I've recently bought a gimbal, but when even Vlogging with just an iphone right now seems to fit the bill perfectly, I don't tend to bother using it. Viewers seem to be content with genuine down to earth, non scripted vlogs. The more 'special' videos though I will have a friend filming, get my drone up etc on a more fancy editing vibe. This is important also if wanting to demonstrate to brands for example you can make polished content.

I think though unfortunately, 'Brian' you've been unncessarily insulting to my viewership - not sure who made you the adjudicator of intelligence here. It would suprise you some of the impressive characters I've met in person that watch my channel/follow my social media, that I daresay have seen more success than any of us are ever likely to. Just like there may well be as you say, 'dumb' peple that watch the more in depth granular nerdy stuff. Anyhow, I couldn't care less about the IQ of the viewer - this is about sharing common interests and making content people want to see.

Further, another swipe I'll address is the 'credentials' comment - what credentials may these be please? As a young guy lucky enough to have owned a few nice pieces of kit and driven a fair few more, have I not got enough credentials to comment on my honest experiences with these various vehicles? Do I need to film myself heel and toe'ing endlessly and demonstrate powersliding prowess to gain your acclaim? I know I'm hardly Chris Harris, but then that's what Chris Harris is for & he fills his role perfectly.

I think what i was getting at is the fact that if your featured cars were more humble you would likely have 49000 less subscribers so your flamboyant attitude and constant self promotion as if you were some sort of youtube God is rather unnecessary. Remember that there are some amazing car channels out there with just over double your subscriber count so perhaps act a little more humble because those channels provide real quality content after years of hard work and in many ways I resent your rather quick rise if I'm being honest!

That's coming from someone who's views per sub ratio blows anything like your channel away. I know online comments like this can seem a bit hater ish and it's not really meant like that because I see who you are and what you are about and you are capable of so much more! You have a much more incredible oppurtunity than most others will have to become successful on Youtube yet you are almost like a clone of the top players. Being successful is good. Being original is better.

Edited by Brianfellows on Wednesday 5th July 14:21

[Petrolhead95]

Beefmeister said:

Saw this earlier and my heart sank a little. I think Sam and Paul either need to make a concerted effort to do completely separate/different content, or just sod it and join forces for Seen Through Supercars of London and just do all their videos together.



(And yes, I'm fully aware that it wouldn't work as they wouldn't get double the views etc etc, I'm just waxing lyrical)

I agree.

I went on a track type day for the social media types with Paul when he had just got his R8. Decent day, we were both so excited to finally drive a Murcielago and he's a decent guy, but I just can't stand his videos. They seem to child like - not trying to insult him.

[nyxster]

jon- said:

Just quoting an excellent post as my reply was deleted as the original TGE post was deleted by the mods . I'd hate for all this to disappear too.

That's a bit shady of the mods - honestly i don't see anyone shilling their channels here, rather a discussion getting feedback on what is and isn't working etc. PH is a logical place to come for that because you'll likely fund more dedicated petrolheads than in the YT comments and a forum is better suited to a broader discussion than comments like gr8 vid m8.

Maybe people would take less umbradge if it was discussed in the business forum. People seem to take offence at the monetisation aspect of YT like its some sort of free money tree neglecting the amount of work it takes to actually create broadcast quality content. It's strange to me because I'm a member if multiple writing and film-making groups where 'rivals' freely share feedback, tips tricks and marketing hacks without people getting pissy. What people need to remember is the audience can consume far nore content than any one creator can produce so you are not competing, and working together for mutual success means a 'rising tide lifts all boats'.

[mackay45]

Rumour has it TGE has been banned from this thread.

For what it's worth he hasn't shot out of nowhere, he's had an online presence on social media for years, and is only recently doing more on the YT side of things.

[dannyDC2]

I can kinda see where PH/Haymarket are coming from not allowing people to share their videos in this thread. It must be quite worrying seeing the rise of Youtubers for those working in more traditional media platforms.

That said, PHTV was in wayyyy before the car vloggers wasn't it? I used to enjoy that. Is it still going?

[nyxster]

jon- said:

I did some research into 40k / 60fps. There were a few theories that it helped, but most people were saying no.

Even if it doesn't help now, it might in the future so if you can shoot in 4k/60 then go for it.

Dat edit though

4k is really only going to matter when internet TV really becomes a big thing and everyone upgraded to 4k tv's. At the moment the majority of YT content is consumed on mobile and tablet so 4k is just a bandwidth hog. There is bo point in shooting 4k unless you are going for full bells and whistles cinematic production. On a standard SLR lense 4k makes no difference, it's only once you start playing with proper kit does it really shine. As an example a Arri Alexa mini is probably best in class for 4k cinema quality on a budget - the body will run you at 35k including vat, but to get the best out if it you are looking at arri super prime lenses running at 13-20k each with a anamorphics at 30k+ a pop. A fully kitted alexa mini with lenses suite will run you at about 150 - 200k with all the toys. Then you neec proper grip with steadicam rigs, dollies etc. You'll be shooting s-log and need to then do full colour grading in post so you are talking 10k+ editing workhorses. You'll also need to start thinking about make-up and lighting because 4k resolution is deeply unforgiving to looking like a tramp. Even if you shoot 4k you'll still downgrade to HD for streaming since most players only support 1080p.

Even running 4k it's more usual to shoot at something like 2x - 2160 - since only very high end camera kit with external recorders can record at true 4k level without bitsampling and other compression losses - and the biggest problem is it shows up every single imperfection in the lens which is why the cinematic primes are so expensive. It is one of those techs where tou are better shooting 1080p at max quality in the limits of the kit than poor quality 4k that is on the ragged edge. Certainly I wouldn't bother on a SLR or with a standard zoom, as a minimum a Sony FS5 with a proper cinema prime would be entry level for 4k, and you'll still need to slog grade it in post or it'll still look like a home-recorded streel - you'll also need to go full DoP on your depth of field lens choice or you'll be capturing too much detail in shot that'll make your audience want to throw up from sensory overload the minute you track at speed.

Tldr; as a SLR upgrade it's not worth it, focus on getting the best out of 1080p, when you've mastered all your framing, dof, lighting and grading to the point you can't get any more quality out of what you have then step up - but don't bother until you have a cinema graded lens - stock slr lenses just don't have the quality or speed to match the sensors and it'll just look like dogst compared to wellshot HD.

[Meridius]

What are people watching in place of Evo, Chris Harris on Cars etc? Drivetribes been excellent, Auto Car and Auto Express have kind of fallen off although still have the occasional good video, Motor Trend is usually pretty good aside from over bearing Americans, most of their stuff is doing the on-demand thing now though.

Are there any good channels im missing or are we just in a bit of a lull with that kind of motoring journalism as well as the gap between another series of Top gear/The Grand Tour?

[nyxster]

mackay45 said:

Rumour has it TGE has been banned from this thread.

For what it's worth he hasn't shot out of nowhere, he's had an online presence on social media for years, and is only recently doing more on the YT side of things.

if that's true then it's total bks. Right wing nutters with no interest in cars can spew vitriolic st all over the news thread but Tom who owns a whole be y of supercars can't even discuss his channel about supercars on a forum dedicated to petrolheads, Shmee has plenty of. contributions to this thread that nobody took exception to.

Really i don't know what's happened to PH. it used to be full of proper car nuts and now it just seems to be full of angry middle aged men hating on anything motoring related (all x owners are chavs etc, speeders should be flogged, yada yada).

The SC threads used to be full of enthusiasts and they are like tumbleweed - this was one of the few interesting threads actually about cars that didn't resolve around muslim bashing or why audi drivers are cocks.

Oh well, if we can't have a free discussion I guess ironically it's haymarket loses out as I no longer consume their advertisers content.

[dannyDC2]

I don't think the mods take any issue with us discussing the content, it's just that we aren't allowed to share direct links to our own media at a guess?

I presume PH would prefer we paid for that right to advertise

[Big Al.]

dannyDC2 said:

I don't think the mods take any issue with us discussing the content, it's just that we aren't allowed to share direct links to our own media at a guess?

I presume PH would prefer we paid for that right to advertise

No problem with discussion, but as you say no links to clips please as it contravenes the rule of posting No.12e:-

"Do not create threads/posts about your own personal websites, blogs, social media channels or video hosting sites such as YouTube. This will be deemed as advertising and/or endeavouring to drive traffic to external sites from PistonHeads."

TYIA.

[Brianfellows]

I also think its a bit of a BS rule about promoting a few videos here and there. Pistonheads would do well to collaborate with its community not push it down and punish it! From the lack of content and occasional poor presenting you would think any sort of cross promotion would be beneficial to them!

It's sad really as PH Youtube channel was on the few channels that I personally liked watching because it was proper car nut stuff.

To the chap who asked what channels we are watching now:

I'm also a big fan of Drivetribe it's true that auto express, autocar, Evo etc have all gone downhill on the YouTube side of things I generally watch Autogefuhl (in depth car reviews), Smoking Tire, Everyday Driver and a handful of small car content producers.

On the larger channels front content has decreased or gone downhill last month or two.

[nyxster]

I can understand the rule to stop the whole forum descending into a spam fest of people trying to flog viagra, but it seemed a minor infranction to me in asking for feedback on a video he'd produced - it would have been better perhaps in the business forum where it seems ok fir people to ask for feedback on their website etc from other designers or whatever.

Just seems a bit harsh to ban him from the thread for posting a link. it's not like he owns a rolex shop, and in the era of social media platforms like facebook, twitter et al being full of cross platform tools PH is starting to look very behind the times when peoples twitter, websites, blogs, instagrams and YT are an inherent part of their online presence.

i can post links to my website, fb, book links et al on plenty of other forums wothout it being considered spam yet here we are stuck in a isolated bubble, and thst is why trad publishing companies like Haymarket are going down the toilet because they don't plug into the new era of shared content and platform integration.

but hey ho, their house their rules - it's always nice to stop here and remember what the internet used to look like a decade ago

[Cie]

mackay45 said:

Rumour has it TGE has been banned from this thread.

For what it's worth he hasn't shot out of nowhere, he's had an online presence on social media for years, and is only recently doing more on the YT side of things.

TGE is one of the few guys on YouTube who's genuinely funny and has a personality, someone you wouldn't mind getting having a few drinks with but the others seem to have the personality of a cardboard box and I can't work out how they've got so popular.

[jon-]

He better not have been banned. We were actually having a nice discussion about youtube, and nice discussions are rare on PH these days.

[Big Al.]

nyxster said:

I can understand the rule to stop the whole forum descending into a spam fest of people trying to flog viagra, but it seemed a minor infranction to me in asking for feedback on a video he'd produced - it would have been better perhaps in the business forum where it seems ok fir people to ask for feedback on their website etc from other designers or whatever.

Just seems a bit harsh to ban him from the thread for posting a link. it's not like he owns a rolex shop, and in the era of social media platforms like facebook, twitter et al being full of cross platform tools PH is starting to look very behind the times when peoples twitter, websites, blogs, instagrams and YT are an inherent part of their online presence.

i can post links to my website, fb, book links et al on plenty of other forums wothout it being considered spam yet here we are stuck in a isolated bubble, and thst is why trad publishing companies like Haymarket are going down the toilet because they don't plug into the new era of shared content and platform integration.

but hey ho, their house their rules - it's always nice to stop here and remember what the internet used to look like a decade ago

There didn't use to be a problem back when all the fields around here were green, it's just that far too many members at the time abused the privilege, and ruined it for other members who follow today.

HTH.

[Brianfellows]

He's not the first to be banned for laughable reasons and he won't be the last.