Discussion
funkyrobot said:
How do you know the limits are too low?
As I mentioned in my post, in a modern vehicle they may seem too low. To a vulnerable road user who is sharing the same piece of tarmac though?
Because if they were not people would obey them.As I mentioned in my post, in a modern vehicle they may seem too low. To a vulnerable road user who is sharing the same piece of tarmac though?
People inherently obey laws which are appropriate, and ignore those which are not..
I always keep to the 30/40 limits in built-up areas (sometimes even the 50 limit if there's pedestrians) but when I'm on an NSL road, whether it's single dual or motorway I'll decide my own limits thank you as I believe that the numbers on sticks are aimed at the lowest common denominators behind the wheel as it is easier to make everyone drive slower than it is to make unsafe drivers drive better.
NB. 'My' limits on NSL can start as low as 20 as I drive to the conditions, NOT to blindly obey an arbitrary number dreamt up when cars could barely reach a ton and required an anchor to stop safely!
NB. 'My' limits on NSL can start as low as 20 as I drive to the conditions, NOT to blindly obey an arbitrary number dreamt up when cars could barely reach a ton and required an anchor to stop safely!
Jasandjules said:
Because if they were not people would obey them.
People inherently obey laws which are appropriate, and ignore those which are not..
You really believe that?People inherently obey laws which are appropriate, and ignore those which are not..
Wasn't there a discussion on here a few months ago about raising the motorway limit to 80mph? Wasn't the consensus that if this were done, people would travel at 90 mph rather than than the 80 mph they currently do?
funkyrobot said:
Why do people speed?
Legal limits are just that. Limits. Regardless of whether or not the limit is correct, it's still the maximum possible speed you are allowed to drive at.
Think about it. Nobody likes getting caught speeding and I'm yet to meet anyone who likes camera vans and speed cameras. Yet people keep doing it, keep getting caught, keep totting up the figures for the partnerships and keep adding to the justification for more and more cameras and automated systems. People who speed actually keep the anti-speed establishments alive.
It just seems bizarre to me that so many people simply cannot abide to the limit.
I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
Vehicles are far more advanced and safe than when the speed limits were originally introduced. However, the human body hasn't evolved much further and is still a big sack of meat that doesn't like sudden deceleration, or being hit by a tonne of metal doing any sort of speed. This is where the problem lies, I think. Sat in a comfy, air conditioned and peaceful modern vehicle, 50 mph along a residential road may seem like nothing. Yet to a pedestrian, a cyclist or anyone else at the roadside, it's still fast.
As this is a motoring site, I can understand the thrill a good blast in a motor vehicle can provide. However, thrills can be had without having to put others at risk. So, to anyone who thinks that driving really fast along a residential road is great fun and shows what a huge sausage they have, you are wrong. You are a muppet and I hope one day the extra speed you carry doesn't result in an injury or a death. Also, the morons who whizz along the motorways well above the speed limit. Just think about what would happen if something went wrong. Sudden deflation of a tyre or hitting a patch of water isn't fun at 70 mph, but it could be even worse at 100 mph. Of course, morons will be morons and you will always get idiots driving like idiots. But why people who aren't morons do it?
There is so much more to bad driving than speed alone. However, speed is one of the easiest things to measure. It's much easier to catch someone doing >10mph over the speed limit than someone tailgating. It's also one of the easiest things to control from the driver's seat. Yet many, many people still do it and play right into the hands of the local partnerships.
It's got to a point now where someone like me (who sticks to limits) is regularly hounded, tailgated, abused and made to feel like a piece of s
t on the road. It isn't because I drive slowly and doddle around as I like to crack on as much as any PH'er. However, my cracking on stops at the limit of the road or a limit I feel safe at if conditions don't warrant doing the limit. To some, that is like me asking to bum their wife or daughter.
I just don't get it. My humble opinion, of course.
Funkyrobot, are you telling us you have never ever exceeded the limit by even 1mph?Legal limits are just that. Limits. Regardless of whether or not the limit is correct, it's still the maximum possible speed you are allowed to drive at.
Think about it. Nobody likes getting caught speeding and I'm yet to meet anyone who likes camera vans and speed cameras. Yet people keep doing it, keep getting caught, keep totting up the figures for the partnerships and keep adding to the justification for more and more cameras and automated systems. People who speed actually keep the anti-speed establishments alive.
It just seems bizarre to me that so many people simply cannot abide to the limit.
I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
Vehicles are far more advanced and safe than when the speed limits were originally introduced. However, the human body hasn't evolved much further and is still a big sack of meat that doesn't like sudden deceleration, or being hit by a tonne of metal doing any sort of speed. This is where the problem lies, I think. Sat in a comfy, air conditioned and peaceful modern vehicle, 50 mph along a residential road may seem like nothing. Yet to a pedestrian, a cyclist or anyone else at the roadside, it's still fast.
As this is a motoring site, I can understand the thrill a good blast in a motor vehicle can provide. However, thrills can be had without having to put others at risk. So, to anyone who thinks that driving really fast along a residential road is great fun and shows what a huge sausage they have, you are wrong. You are a muppet and I hope one day the extra speed you carry doesn't result in an injury or a death. Also, the morons who whizz along the motorways well above the speed limit. Just think about what would happen if something went wrong. Sudden deflation of a tyre or hitting a patch of water isn't fun at 70 mph, but it could be even worse at 100 mph. Of course, morons will be morons and you will always get idiots driving like idiots. But why people who aren't morons do it?
There is so much more to bad driving than speed alone. However, speed is one of the easiest things to measure. It's much easier to catch someone doing >10mph over the speed limit than someone tailgating. It's also one of the easiest things to control from the driver's seat. Yet many, many people still do it and play right into the hands of the local partnerships.
It's got to a point now where someone like me (who sticks to limits) is regularly hounded, tailgated, abused and made to feel like a piece of s
t on the road. It isn't because I drive slowly and doddle around as I like to crack on as much as any PH'er. However, my cracking on stops at the limit of the road or a limit I feel safe at if conditions don't warrant doing the limit. To some, that is like me asking to bum their wife or daughter.I just don't get it. My humble opinion, of course.
Some speed limits are just inconsistent
There's road between near where I live and the next town, it used to be a windy narrow back road with the national speed limit.
But recently it was widened, straightened and marked, (still no pedestrains) and now it's a 30 mph.
So it's half the speed limit, despite the road is safer.
There's road between near where I live and the next town, it used to be a windy narrow back road with the national speed limit.
But recently it was widened, straightened and marked, (still no pedestrains) and now it's a 30 mph.
So it's half the speed limit, despite the road is safer.
poing said:
DoubleD said:
Why drink?
Why eat fatty foods?
Why have sex with multiple partners?
To be fair, none of those are illegal, yet. It would be better to say why use illegal drugs.Why eat fatty foods?
Why have sex with multiple partners?
Why drink underage?
Why eat something thats......not on your diet plan?
Why have.....erm.......nope im not going there.
DoubleD said:
poing said:
DoubleD said:
Why drink?
Why eat fatty foods?
Why have sex with multiple partners?
To be fair, none of those are illegal, yet. It would be better to say why use illegal drugs.Why eat fatty foods?
Why have sex with multiple partners?
Why drink underage?
Why eat something thats......not on your diet plan?
Why have.....erm.......nope im not going there.
Don't get me wrong, I speed so I'm not defending the question. I suspect Mr Robot is a little bored and just stirring the pot a little.
poing said:
DoubleD said:
poing said:
DoubleD said:
Why drink?
Why eat fatty foods?
Why have sex with multiple partners?
To be fair, none of those are illegal, yet. It would be better to say why use illegal drugs.Why eat fatty foods?
Why have sex with multiple partners?
Why drink underage?
Why eat something thats......not on your diet plan?
Why have.....erm.......nope im not going there.
Don't get me wrong, I speed so I'm not defending the question. I suspect Mr Robot is a little bored and just stirring the pot a little.
funkyrobot said:
Bored, local Russian housewives wanting to grease your piston website is that way ->
Now, now.funkyrobot said:
It just seems bizarre to me that so many people simply cannot abide to the limit.
I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
The above in the opening post seems strange to me - mainly as this is a performance car enthusiast site, but also given your attitude to 30 limits, e.g. from http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
funkyrobot said:
Just rounded a corner and was faced with a camera van pointing at me or a lorry in front. Checked speedo and needle was around 35 mph. The limit on the road is 30 mph.
Anyone think I will receive a NIP? First ever if I do.
Further down the thread:Anyone think I will receive a NIP? First ever if I do.
funkyrobot said:
roofer said:
Karma.
When is your court date?At most, I'm getting 3 points or a SAC.
If I were like you on 9 points already, I wouldn't be doing 35 in a 30.
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff