RE: Honda NSX vs McLaren 570GT

[BishBosh]

Reg Local said:

But neither - in my personal opinion - are quite as good as a 911 Turbo S...

Reg, I like your opinion. .....

[Kenny Powers]

big_rob_sydney said:

Loads of childish stuff.

Cue the childish retorts.

Classic

[EddyMo]

I don't get it. How does the NSX compare to the McLaren purely on the basis that it brings HyperCar technology into the junior supercar arena? I get the fact that the tech is intriguing but if it isn't significantly quicker or fuel efficient then what is the point especially when it weights 300kgs more.

The McLaren should be praised for doing exactly what a junior supercar is expected to do. The NSX should be discounted for employing technology that brings no benefits. I understand it is a step towards a sustainable supercar but this is by no means the solution.

Edited by EddyMo on Tuesday 4th July 22:32

[PunterCam]

Every review I read/see of the NSX is seemingly swayed (massively?) by the specs. All the obsessions about facts and figures... Does the NSX actually feel heavier? Can you actually feel the technology under the skin or is it all a preconceived idea of what the car would be? I'd love to see what driving enthusiasts who had no interest in cars thought of them!

This might all be bks, but I suspect not... We like what we think we like, and more and more articles read like the novelisation of a spec sheet! Having said that I'm sure the McLaren is a wonderful sports car, and I'm sure the NSX is too.

[the_hood]

JulesR65 said:

Am I reading the spec of the Honda correctly - £1700 for parking sensors and Garmin Sat Nav - should both not be standard for the cost and physical visibility restrictions of this type of car ?

+1

[dunnoreally]

I think it's worth celebrating the sheer choice of what you can get from a ~£150,000 coupe nowadays. Hybrid or conventional, turbo or NA, rwd or awd, v6, v8, v10, v12... Aston Martin will even sell you something with a manual gearbox, if you fancy. There really is something to suit all tastes, and I think that's far more brilliant than anything any one car achieves.

[9k rpm]

Iceicebaby1980 said:

Agent XXX said:

£3500 - £4800 for paint jobs on cars that already cost £150,000 ????? Struth.

Bargain for bankers. Be able to get one with there bonus that Joe public paid for because that's the only kind of people who will pay this kind of money for a Honda. People with more money than sense.

Congratulations on making the most inane comment on this thread.

P.S. I bet you wish you tried harder at school.

[ZX10R NIN]

dotgillingham said:

Why don't McLaren build their own F1 engines? Not all that easy, I admit, but no one seems to be asking this question. Nice article, BTW. NSX for me.

It's even easier than that, why aren't they talking to Cosworth who have a 1.6 V6 sitting on the shelf which Mclaren Technologies can add the Hybrid system to.

[sidesauce]

dunnoreally said:

I think it's worth celebrating the sheer choice of what you can get from a ~£150,000 coupe nowadays. Hybrid or conventional, turbo or NA, rwd or awd, v6, v8, v10, v12... Aston Martin will even sell you something with a manual gearbox, if you fancy. There really is something to suit all tastes, and I think that's far more brilliant than anything any one car achieves.

[vz-r_dave]

big_rob_sydney said:

vz-r_dave said:

big_rob_sydney said:

It just surprises me that neither car can outrun a GTR, despite costing around twice as much. Never mind the Litchfield version with warranty as well.

And considering the domestic competition in Japan between Nissan, Toyota, and Honda, having taken what seems like an eternity to see the light of day (with the NSX), its current model cant keep up with a GTR that is around a decade old...

Too little, too late.

Fail.

Stop being so narrow minded, Honda have a much broader criteria with the NSX, it's not just about who's the fastest anymore. You could pose the same question to the European manufacturers in regards to the GTR being a quicker car.

It's not too little too late by any means and certainly not a fail.

Look at the intended function. These cars are not exactly shopping trolleys, but rather, are intended to be fast cars, dare I say it, sports cars.

As such, I measure these cars against other, similarly fast cars.

And I guess its the "measurement" bit that gets peoples noses out of joint, because they stick to their pretentious and overpriced badges as a measure of their jumped-up social climbing, as opposed to the brutal truth of the stopwatch.

I don't take much notice of our american cousins, but one they I do agree with them on; when the flag drops, the bullst stops.

Cue the childish retorts.

You are forgetting the technology under the Honda, no other brand is offering this level of tech at the price point. Honda could chase the numbers if they wanted and it sounds like an R version would do just that but this is more than just speed as an intended function. They wanted to bring hybrid, electric technology to the junior super car and they have achieved that.

[big_rob_sydney]

kambites said:

big_rob_sydney said:

Look at the intended function.

I don't really get your point... I don't believe the intended function of either of these cars is to be as fast as possible for the money.

I'm also not sure by what definition the GTR is faster than the Mclaren? As far as I can see, despite the Nissans traction advantage, the Mclaren is 1.7 seconds faster to 200kph over 10 seconds(!) faster to 300.

From this PH article:
Mclaren
0-62mph: 3.4sec



Previous PH articles:

MY17 LM20
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/litchfi...
0-62mph: 2.5sec

MY17 Nismo
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/nissan-...
0-62mph: 2.5sec (est.)

MY17
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/nissan-...
0-62mph: 2.8sec

The stopwatch never lies.

You don't get the point, eh? Please continue with the straw man fallacies.

[E65Ross]

Ah, the car with 4WD is quicker to 62mph..... the stopwatch doesn't lie on the 0-200 or 0-300 where the GTR is slower....that must seriously confuse you, Rob?

[SuperHans.]

If there's ever been a mainstream supercar produced that interests me less than this new NSX, I'm yet to see it.

[British Beef]

Hybrid cars have all the mechanical failure points of a regular IC vehicle, in addition to all the electric and mechanical failure points of an all electric car Plus the software and electrical failure points integrating them all together.

In short lots to go wrong, and I bet very few if any mechanics can fix.

Long term ownership prospect, not good!

McLaren all day for me thanks! Although being a luddite, I would still prefer it even more simple with a manual gearbox ;-) not giving a sh!t if it is 0.5 second slower to 100mph.

[KJH]

howardhughes said:

Mix a little Audi TT, thrown a little R8 and finish off with an Aston Martin rear end.

Typical Japanese. Say no more.

Edited by howardhughes on Tuesday 4th July 16:27

This is purely a US designed and built car, not Japanese. If it had been a Japanese design things would look much better.

[shirt]

M-SportMatt said:

dotgillingham said:

Why don't McLaren build their own F1 engines? Not all that easy, I admit, but no one seems to be asking this question. Nice article, BTW. NSX for me.

Why dont they build their own road car engines too for that matter rather than subbing it out to Ricardo

I've been to the engine factory at shoreham and have worked with Ricardo themselves on a few engine projects. The answer is that Ricardo are a truly world class outfit and are far better equipped to design/build engines with the added benefits of a third party supply agreement.

What I can't get my head around is a 150k Honda or any kind. Can't see them selling many

[E65Ross]

I can't see why the name Honda should mean it should instantly be cheaper. If the Honda were IDENTICAL in every single way to a Porsche 918, aside just the badge....should it instantly cost less? Surely you're paying for the engineering and building of the thing, not the badge....or at least that's how it should be, no?

[Inverness]

vz-r_dave said:

'Saying one is 'better' than the other would be like asking respective fans to choose between Apple and Android. Or, to put it another way, two identical burgers made from prime beef cooked to absolute perfection. If the McLaren is enjoying the subtle flavours and quality with the minimum of garnish the Honda is the same but packed with all the trimmings. Blue cheese. Bacon. Onion rings. Gherkins. The lot. Nothing wrong with either approach. And satisfying in their own way. But appealing to different tastes.'

Loving the burger analogy here, a very good unbiased article, well done!

Agreed, a very good article.

[Deerfoot]

SuperHans. said:

If there's ever been a mainstream supercar produced that interests me less than this new NSX, I'm yet to see it.

Strange, it's the first supercar since the Lexus LFA that has remotely interested me...

[R400TVR]

So, as the Honda has so many gears, you lose the will to change yourself, losing an important interaction? What interaction??? You're not changing gear yourself, just flicking a switch. That's not an interaction.