RE: Aston Martin Valkyrie design secrets revealed
Discussion
Maldini35 said:
I take it you still haven't driven a P1.
Some owners actually commute in it. It really isn't that compromised considering the performance on offer.
The Valkyrie?
As a track-only wonder - I like it but can't help but feel it's an irrelevance.
It's the same with the FXXK or the Vulcan. Anybody can make a fast car freed from race regs or road legal requirements. I just don't find it that impressive. It's a personal point of view and I'm sure many will disagree.
But the Valkyrie as a road car... I'm baffled. I just don't see how it can work. At best it may technically qualify as road legal in one or two countries like the Camparo thingy.
However, I should reserve judgment and will wait and see what the road version is like.
Maybe it'll be radically different.
But from what we've seen so far I doubt they'll be anybody commuting in it.
(I too ran a Caterham as my daily driver for a couple of years - it was definitely a road car that could race rather than vice versa and nothing like the Valkyrie)
I have nothing against the P1, it's just to make a point that one person's view on the P1 is a perfectly fine road car is another person's view as an impractical car that would be horrible to use as a road car. People don't know how this will drive/ the details of the design. Yet it is already a car that will be rubbish on the road according to a lot of posters.Some owners actually commute in it. It really isn't that compromised considering the performance on offer.
The Valkyrie?
As a track-only wonder - I like it but can't help but feel it's an irrelevance.
It's the same with the FXXK or the Vulcan. Anybody can make a fast car freed from race regs or road legal requirements. I just don't find it that impressive. It's a personal point of view and I'm sure many will disagree.
But the Valkyrie as a road car... I'm baffled. I just don't see how it can work. At best it may technically qualify as road legal in one or two countries like the Camparo thingy.
However, I should reserve judgment and will wait and see what the road version is like.
Maybe it'll be radically different.
But from what we've seen so far I doubt they'll be anybody commuting in it.
(I too ran a Caterham as my daily driver for a couple of years - it was definitely a road car that could race rather than vice versa and nothing like the Valkyrie)
What are the differences between a Caterham and the Valkyrie in terms of practical road going? A Caterham is narrower... that is about it from what we know? Neither are likely to have much storage space, both will likely mean you get to be cozy with a passenger, range is not likely to be on the level of a continental GT car... The Valkyrie will be a lot faster, but you don't have to use that power if you don't want to. The Valkyrie has a roof and is less cramped than a Caterham with the roof on I'd be almost certain. What makes the Caterham totally different in terms of being a better road car?
DonkeyApple said:
To be fair, most people rent uniform, diesel crap boxes in various shades of grey. Should we really be valuing their views on actual interesting cars on a forum that really is about celebrating the inane, impractical or just different?
The further away from a grey 120D (like the one presently on my drive), in either direction, shed or supercar, the superior it is.
Can i just underline this statement?The further away from a grey 120D (like the one presently on my drive), in either direction, shed or supercar, the superior it is.
Also, i'd like to know what the theory is that suggests that the Valkyrie would be worse as a road car than a Caterham.
I mean even the creature comforts people have to admit it's drier, and with the "milk float" electric feature it'll be much quieter around town too.
Edited by humblesabot on Monday 17th July 23:09
Edited by humblesabot on Monday 17th July 23:50
NRS said:
Maldini35 said:
I take it you still haven't driven a P1.
Some owners actually commute in it. It really isn't that compromised considering the performance on offer.
The Valkyrie?
As a track-only wonder - I like it but can't help but feel it's an irrelevance.
It's the same with the FXXK or the Vulcan. Anybody can make a fast car freed from race regs or road legal requirements. I just don't find it that impressive. It's a personal point of view and I'm sure many will disagree.
But the Valkyrie as a road car... I'm baffled. I just don't see how it can work. At best it may technically qualify as road legal in one or two countries like the Camparo thingy.
However, I should reserve judgment and will wait and see what the road version is like.
Maybe it'll be radically different.
But from what we've seen so far I doubt they'll be anybody commuting in it.
(I too ran a Caterham as my daily driver for a couple of years - it was definitely a road car that could race rather than vice versa and nothing like the Valkyrie)
I have nothing against the P1, it's just to make a point that one person's view on the P1 is a perfectly fine road car is another person's view as an impractical car that would be horrible to use as a road car. People don't know how this will drive/ the details of the design. Yet it is already a car that will be rubbish on the road according to a lot of posters.Some owners actually commute in it. It really isn't that compromised considering the performance on offer.
The Valkyrie?
As a track-only wonder - I like it but can't help but feel it's an irrelevance.
It's the same with the FXXK or the Vulcan. Anybody can make a fast car freed from race regs or road legal requirements. I just don't find it that impressive. It's a personal point of view and I'm sure many will disagree.
But the Valkyrie as a road car... I'm baffled. I just don't see how it can work. At best it may technically qualify as road legal in one or two countries like the Camparo thingy.
However, I should reserve judgment and will wait and see what the road version is like.
Maybe it'll be radically different.
But from what we've seen so far I doubt they'll be anybody commuting in it.
(I too ran a Caterham as my daily driver for a couple of years - it was definitely a road car that could race rather than vice versa and nothing like the Valkyrie)
What are the differences between a Caterham and the Valkyrie in terms of practical road going? A Caterham is narrower... that is about it from what we know? Neither are likely to have much storage space, both will likely mean you get to be cozy with a passenger, range is not likely to be on the level of a continental GT car... The Valkyrie will be a lot faster, but you don't have to use that power if you don't want to. The Valkyrie has a roof and is less cramped than a Caterham with the roof on I'd be almost certain. What makes the Caterham totally different in terms of being a better road car?
A Caterham is narrower, has incredible 360 visibility (uses mirrors not cameras and slightly cheap looking little screens bolted to the dash) so can be driven in traffic very easily and parallel parking was a doddle.
The Caterham can hold a surprising amount of luggage too (I toured in mine) but maybe the Valkyrie will come with a roof rack?
The Caterham had an acceptable range provided you didn't practice your 0-60 times from each traffic light (which admittedly was pretty tempting).
My Caterham also had a full size spare wheel on the back and had designated areas for front and rear number plates which didn't disrupt the aero (;) )
The suspension was pretty compliant for a low slung car and speed humps were a minor inconvenience not a no-go zone.
The Caterham was pretty easy to maintain day to day as a road car, brake pads, tyres etc. were all freely available and in the event you encountered a problem on the side of the road, the nice AA man could always getting it going again.
Now, we don't know the details of the Valkyrie road car but if can do all things my Caterham could I will be very surprised.
If you don't mind me saying you seem to refer to other people a lot without having much personal experience on these matters. Phrases like "according to a lot of posters" seem like you're trying to bluff your way through a debate. I would value the opinion of owners or people that had actually driven the cars in question lot more.
From what you say I doubt you've driven a Caterham but have you ever sat in one?
Besides, a lot of posters rate the Caterham as daily driver....
NRS said:
Maldini35 said:
I take it you still haven't driven a P1.
Some owners actually commute in it. It really isn't that compromised considering the performance on offer.
The Valkyrie?
As a track-only wonder - I like it but can't help but feel it's an irrelevance.
It's the same with the FXXK or the Vulcan. Anybody can make a fast car freed from race regs or road legal requirements. I just don't find it that impressive. It's a personal point of view and I'm sure many will disagree.
But the Valkyrie as a road car... I'm baffled. I just don't see how it can work. At best it may technically qualify as road legal in one or two countries like the Camparo thingy.
However, I should reserve judgment and will wait and see what the road version is like.
Maybe it'll be radically different.
But from what we've seen so far I doubt they'll be anybody commuting in it.
(I too ran a Caterham as my daily driver for a couple of years - it was definitely a road car that could race rather than vice versa and nothing like the Valkyrie)
I have nothing against the P1, it's just to make a point that one person's view on the P1 is a perfectly fine road car is another person's view as an impractical car that would be horrible to use as a road car. People don't know how this will drive/ the details of the design. Yet it is already a car that will be rubbish on the road according to a lot of posters.Some owners actually commute in it. It really isn't that compromised considering the performance on offer.
The Valkyrie?
As a track-only wonder - I like it but can't help but feel it's an irrelevance.
It's the same with the FXXK or the Vulcan. Anybody can make a fast car freed from race regs or road legal requirements. I just don't find it that impressive. It's a personal point of view and I'm sure many will disagree.
But the Valkyrie as a road car... I'm baffled. I just don't see how it can work. At best it may technically qualify as road legal in one or two countries like the Camparo thingy.
However, I should reserve judgment and will wait and see what the road version is like.
Maybe it'll be radically different.
But from what we've seen so far I doubt they'll be anybody commuting in it.
(I too ran a Caterham as my daily driver for a couple of years - it was definitely a road car that could race rather than vice versa and nothing like the Valkyrie)
What are the differences between a Caterham and the Valkyrie in terms of practical road going? A Caterham is narrower... that is about it from what we know? Neither are likely to have much storage space, both will likely mean you get to be cozy with a passenger, range is not likely to be on the level of a continental GT car... The Valkyrie will be a lot faster, but you don't have to use that power if you don't want to. The Valkyrie has a roof and is less cramped than a Caterham with the roof on I'd be almost certain. What makes the Caterham totally different in terms of being a better road car?
A Caterham is narrower, has incredible 360 visibility (uses mirrors not cameras and slightly cheap looking little screens bolted to the dash) so can be driven in traffic very easily and parallel parking was a doddle.
The Caterham can hold a surprising amount of luggage too (I toured in mine) but maybe the Valkyrie will come with a roof rack?
The Caterham had an acceptable range provided you didn't practice your 0-60 times from each traffic light (which admittedly was pretty tempting).
My Caterham also had a full size spare wheel on the back and had designated areas for front and rear number plates which didn't disrupt the aero (;) )
The suspension was pretty compliant for a low slung car and speed humps were a minor inconvenience not a no-go zone.
The Caterham was pretty easy to maintain day to day as a road car, brake pads, tyres etc. were all freely available and in the event you encountered a problem on the side of the road, the nice AA man could always getting it going again.
Now, we don't know the details of the Valkyrie road car but if can do all things my Caterham could I will be very surprised.
If you don't mind me saying you seem to refer to other people a lot without having much personal experience on these matters. Phrases like "according to a lot of posters" seem like you're trying to bluff your way through a debate. I would value the opinion of owners or people that had actually driven the cars in question lot more.
From what you say I doubt you've driven a Caterham but have you ever sat in one?
Besides, a lot of posters rate the Caterham as daily driver....
Maldini35 said:
Ok, since you ask.
A Caterham is narrower, has incredible 360 visibility (uses mirrors not cameras and slightly cheap looking little screens bolted to the dash) so can be driven in traffic very easily and parallel parking was a doddle.
The Caterham can hold a surprising amount of luggage too (I toured in mine) but maybe the Valkyrie will come with a roof rack?
The Caterham had an acceptable range provided you didn't practice your 0-60 times from each traffic light (which admittedly was pretty tempting).
My Caterham also had a full size spare wheel on the back and had designated areas for front and rear number plates which didn't disrupt the aero (;) )
The suspension was pretty compliant for a low slung car and speed humps were a minor inconvenience not a no-go zone.
The Caterham was pretty easy to maintain day to day as a road car, brake pads, tyres etc. were all freely available and in the event you encountered a problem on the side of the road, the nice AA man could always getting it going again.
Now, we don't know the details of the Valkyrie road car but if can do all things my Caterham could I will be very surprised.
If you don't mind me saying you seem to refer to other people a lot without having much personal experience on these matters. Phrases like "according to a lot of posters" seem like you're trying to bluff your way through a debate. I would value the opinion of owners or people that had actually driven the cars in question lot more.
From what you say I doubt you've driven a Caterham but have you ever sat in one?
Besides, a lot of posters rate the Caterham as daily driver....
Your points generally seem to be that a Caterham is surprisingly practical for what it is, which I agree with. I have been tempted to get one but it's somewhat more difficult here in Norway due to the rules on importing, the cost/ skill of labour and parts and the massive taxes on cars. A Caterham is narrower, has incredible 360 visibility (uses mirrors not cameras and slightly cheap looking little screens bolted to the dash) so can be driven in traffic very easily and parallel parking was a doddle.
The Caterham can hold a surprising amount of luggage too (I toured in mine) but maybe the Valkyrie will come with a roof rack?
The Caterham had an acceptable range provided you didn't practice your 0-60 times from each traffic light (which admittedly was pretty tempting).
My Caterham also had a full size spare wheel on the back and had designated areas for front and rear number plates which didn't disrupt the aero (;) )
The suspension was pretty compliant for a low slung car and speed humps were a minor inconvenience not a no-go zone.
The Caterham was pretty easy to maintain day to day as a road car, brake pads, tyres etc. were all freely available and in the event you encountered a problem on the side of the road, the nice AA man could always getting it going again.
Now, we don't know the details of the Valkyrie road car but if can do all things my Caterham could I will be very surprised.
If you don't mind me saying you seem to refer to other people a lot without having much personal experience on these matters. Phrases like "according to a lot of posters" seem like you're trying to bluff your way through a debate. I would value the opinion of owners or people that had actually driven the cars in question lot more.
From what you say I doubt you've driven a Caterham but have you ever sat in one?
Besides, a lot of posters rate the Caterham as daily driver....
Visibility - nothing wrong with cameras, I imagine this will have reversing cameras too, and the screens for the mirrors are closer to driver so less head movement needed. As you said a Caterham will effectively have unlimited visibility generally, although it will be probably worse with the roof on depending on person when you consider cameras.
There is currently no info about luggage storage on this - but I'd imagine it's like the Caterham in that if you want to pack stuff you can get a surprising amount in. In addition owners would be able to afford to get luggage sent ahead etc if needed.
What is the range of the Valkyrie? And the difference to a Caterham?
How many times do you need a spare wheel in reality? Caterham obviously not designed for aero. This car you could presumably remove the plates if needed, at most (all UK) road legal speed the aero will not be an issue for handling etc.
What is the suspension like on the AM? Do you think at several million it could actually be better than a Caterham? And do you know if the Valkyrie will have no lifting gear for speed bumps?
Does readily available spare parts matter to an owner? They will have a lot of other cars in the situation it needs repaired. I'd imagine the build quality will be higher than the average Caterham. Both could end up needing a tow if something goes wrong.
It seems you are misunderstanding me - I have nothing against the P1 or a Caterham (I'd be interested in owning both!) - the point is both have been used to say the Valkyrie is a much worse road car, based on... the pictures and a promise it will be as fast as a LMP1 car (the race version of it). The P1 famously came with the promise about performance at a certain track, so presumably that is not an impact on your assumptions. So when it comes to it you can tell how the car will handle etc from the pictures, which I find very impressive.
I'm not trying to bluff my way through - that is the reason I am making it clear what my experience is. I've been out in plenty of decent cars, from 2-Eleven and an Atom 300 to F50, sat in a P1 etc. So I have not owned any of the cars, but that is the point. I cannot tell a lot of the details without having driven them, and so if I can't how can you and other posters do the same here? I also have been in friend's cars when they have had issues with speed bumps etc. Most of the time you can plan ahead and avoid any issues, but that is driving around the limitations. It's the same as the MX-5 which most people think I am an idiot for using as a daily car when we have 6 months of proper snow here. I accept the limitations, and in many ways it is a bad road car here. But what to them is a stupid car not really fit for the road to me is no problem. The same will go for the Valkyrie. Doesn't mean it's a bad road car.
I wonder how they will manage the cooling of this thing. Both a racing car like a LMP1 and a supersportscar have massive coolers. The valkyrie has a tousand horses to cool. In Dubai. In slow traffic. And i can´t find space for coolingstuff in this design.
Edited by Charybdis on Tuesday 18th July 10:01
some of the points of why people think this isn't a road car are the same that you get in any supercar.
My Gallardo has a boot, well it calls itself a boot it's not really. Visibility even with a reversing camera is still crap and the turning circle isn't great and with a full tank of petrol the range is less than 300 miles ( for me to get to London and back that would be £200 in petrol) I can't see this car being any less practical than any Lambo, Ferrari or McLaren but then again you don't buy these types of car for practicality.
My Gallardo has a boot, well it calls itself a boot it's not really. Visibility even with a reversing camera is still crap and the turning circle isn't great and with a full tank of petrol the range is less than 300 miles ( for me to get to London and back that would be £200 in petrol) I can't see this car being any less practical than any Lambo, Ferrari or McLaren but then again you don't buy these types of car for practicality.
Fascinating. In all these passionate opinions, no-one has even mentioned the engine.
When Newey got the go ahead, he wanted to use the best engine. With the Red Bull connection, did he approach Renault ? Nope.
With the Aston Martin/Mercedes-Benz connection, did he approach Mercedes-Benz ? Nope.
Instead he went to the best high-performance engine designers in the business - Cosworth.
So - 900bhp from 6.5-litres, without a turbocharger in sight ! Fabulous.
When Newey got the go ahead, he wanted to use the best engine. With the Red Bull connection, did he approach Renault ? Nope.
With the Aston Martin/Mercedes-Benz connection, did he approach Mercedes-Benz ? Nope.
Instead he went to the best high-performance engine designers in the business - Cosworth.
So - 900bhp from 6.5-litres, without a turbocharger in sight ! Fabulous.
NRS said:
Maldini35 said:
Ok, since you ask.
A Caterham is narrower, has incredible 360 visibility (uses mirrors not cameras and slightly cheap looking little screens bolted to the dash) so can be driven in traffic very easily and parallel parking was a doddle.
The Caterham can hold a surprising amount of luggage too (I toured in mine) but maybe the Valkyrie will come with a roof rack?
The Caterham had an acceptable range provided you didn't practice your 0-60 times from each traffic light (which admittedly was pretty tempting).
My Caterham also had a full size spare wheel on the back and had designated areas for front and rear number plates which didn't disrupt the aero (;) )
The suspension was pretty compliant for a low slung car and speed humps were a minor inconvenience not a no-go zone.
The Caterham was pretty easy to maintain day to day as a road car, brake pads, tyres etc. were all freely available and in the event you encountered a problem on the side of the road, the nice AA man could always getting it going again.
Now, we don't know the details of the Valkyrie road car but if can do all things my Caterham could I will be very surprised.
If you don't mind me saying you seem to refer to other people a lot without having much personal experience on these matters. Phrases like "according to a lot of posters" seem like you're trying to bluff your way through a debate. I would value the opinion of owners or people that had actually driven the cars in question lot more.
From what you say I doubt you've driven a Caterham but have you ever sat in one?
Besides, a lot of posters rate the Caterham as daily driver....
Your points generally seem to be that a Caterham is surprisingly practical for what it is, which I agree with. I have been tempted to get one but it's somewhat more difficult here in Norway due to the rules on importing, the cost/ skill of labour and parts and the massive taxes on cars. A Caterham is narrower, has incredible 360 visibility (uses mirrors not cameras and slightly cheap looking little screens bolted to the dash) so can be driven in traffic very easily and parallel parking was a doddle.
The Caterham can hold a surprising amount of luggage too (I toured in mine) but maybe the Valkyrie will come with a roof rack?
The Caterham had an acceptable range provided you didn't practice your 0-60 times from each traffic light (which admittedly was pretty tempting).
My Caterham also had a full size spare wheel on the back and had designated areas for front and rear number plates which didn't disrupt the aero (;) )
The suspension was pretty compliant for a low slung car and speed humps were a minor inconvenience not a no-go zone.
The Caterham was pretty easy to maintain day to day as a road car, brake pads, tyres etc. were all freely available and in the event you encountered a problem on the side of the road, the nice AA man could always getting it going again.
Now, we don't know the details of the Valkyrie road car but if can do all things my Caterham could I will be very surprised.
If you don't mind me saying you seem to refer to other people a lot without having much personal experience on these matters. Phrases like "according to a lot of posters" seem like you're trying to bluff your way through a debate. I would value the opinion of owners or people that had actually driven the cars in question lot more.
From what you say I doubt you've driven a Caterham but have you ever sat in one?
Besides, a lot of posters rate the Caterham as daily driver....
Visibility - nothing wrong with cameras, I imagine this will have reversing cameras too, and the screens for the mirrors are closer to driver so less head movement needed. As you said a Caterham will effectively have unlimited visibility generally, although it will be probably worse with the roof on depending on person when you consider cameras.
There is currently no info about luggage storage on this - but I'd imagine it's like the Caterham in that if you want to pack stuff you can get a surprising amount in. In addition owners would be able to afford to get luggage sent ahead etc if needed.
What is the range of the Valkyrie? And the difference to a Caterham?
How many times do you need a spare wheel in reality? Caterham obviously not designed for aero. This car you could presumably remove the plates if needed, at most (all UK) road legal speed the aero will not be an issue for handling etc.
What is the suspension like on the AM? Do you think at several million it could actually be better than a Caterham? And do you know if the Valkyrie will have no lifting gear for speed bumps?
Does readily available spare parts matter to an owner? They will have a lot of other cars in the situation it needs repaired. I'd imagine the build quality will be higher than the average Caterham. Both could end up needing a tow if something goes wrong.
It seems you are misunderstanding me - I have nothing against the P1 or a Caterham (I'd be interested in owning both!) - the point is both have been used to say the Valkyrie is a much worse road car, based on... the pictures and a promise it will be as fast as a LMP1 car (the race version of it). The P1 famously came with the promise about performance at a certain track, so presumably that is not an impact on your assumptions. So when it comes to it you can tell how the car will handle etc from the pictures, which I find very impressive.
I'm not trying to bluff my way through - that is the reason I am making it clear what my experience is. I've been out in plenty of decent cars, from 2-Eleven and an Atom 300 to F50, sat in a P1 etc. So I have not owned any of the cars, but that is the point. I cannot tell a lot of the details without having driven them, and so if I can't how can you and other posters do the same here? I also have been in friend's cars when they have had issues with speed bumps etc. Most of the time you can plan ahead and avoid any issues, but that is driving around the limitations. It's the same as the MX-5 which most people think I am an idiot for using as a daily car when we have 6 months of proper snow here. I accept the limitations, and in many ways it is a bad road car here. But what to them is a stupid car not really fit for the road to me is no problem. The same will go for the Valkyrie. Doesn't mean it's a bad road car.
My family is from Bergen so I can understand the challenges that would bring.
You're right, we don't know what the Valkyrie road car will actually deliver. I could be right or totally wrong.
On a separate topic - I'm fascinated to see how the car drives at speed.
Given how some F1 drivers struggled to cope with the extreme downforce generated by the active suspension cars in the early 90's, I can't imagine how most non professional drivers will cope with the quoted 1800kg of downforce.
Maldini35 said:
Ok, since you ask.
A Caterham is narrower, has incredible 360 visibility (uses mirrors not cameras and slightly cheap looking little screens bolted to the dash) so can be driven in traffic very easily and parallel parking was a doddle.
The Caterham can hold a surprising amount of luggage too (I toured in mine) but maybe the Valkyrie will come with a roof rack?
The Caterham had an acceptable range provided you didn't practice your 0-60 times from each traffic light (which admittedly was pretty tempting).
My Caterham also had a full size spare wheel on the back and had designated areas for front and rear number plates which didn't disrupt the aero (;) )
The suspension was pretty compliant for a low slung car and speed humps were a minor inconvenience not a no-go zone.
The Caterham was pretty easy to maintain day to day as a road car, brake pads, tyres etc. were all freely available and in the event you encountered a problem on the side of the road, the nice AA man could always getting it going again.
Now, we don't know the details of the Valkyrie road car but if can do all things my Caterham could I will be very surprised.
From what you say I doubt you've driven a Caterham but have you ever sat in one?
Besides, a lot of posters rate the Caterham as daily driver....
Can't multiple quote, sorry, but;A Caterham is narrower, has incredible 360 visibility (uses mirrors not cameras and slightly cheap looking little screens bolted to the dash) so can be driven in traffic very easily and parallel parking was a doddle.
The Caterham can hold a surprising amount of luggage too (I toured in mine) but maybe the Valkyrie will come with a roof rack?
The Caterham had an acceptable range provided you didn't practice your 0-60 times from each traffic light (which admittedly was pretty tempting).
My Caterham also had a full size spare wheel on the back and had designated areas for front and rear number plates which didn't disrupt the aero (;) )
The suspension was pretty compliant for a low slung car and speed humps were a minor inconvenience not a no-go zone.
The Caterham was pretty easy to maintain day to day as a road car, brake pads, tyres etc. were all freely available and in the event you encountered a problem on the side of the road, the nice AA man could always getting it going again.
Now, we don't know the details of the Valkyrie road car but if can do all things my Caterham could I will be very surprised.
From what you say I doubt you've driven a Caterham but have you ever sat in one?
Besides, a lot of posters rate the Caterham as daily driver....
1) With the roof down yes, doubt it with the roof up
2) Maybe bungy corded to the role bar.....
3) Many cars don't have a spare now
Anyway it's a pointless argument. We should all rejoice that one of the great F1 Engineers is finally being given a free hand to design a "hyper car" however impracticable it may turn out to be.
Max_Torque said:
AAGR said:
Instead he went to the best high-performance engine designers in the business - Cosworth.
Back in the late 1990's i'd have agreed with you ( i worked at Cosworth in the late 1990's...... ;-) but today, in 2017, er , nope, they are a shadow of their former self.[And I think I would trust Adrian Newey's judgement above that of almost anyone in the motorsport industry ....]
WestyCarl said:
Maldini35 said:
Ok, since you ask.
A Caterham is narrower, has incredible 360 visibility (uses mirrors not cameras and slightly cheap looking little screens bolted to the dash) so can be driven in traffic very easily and parallel parking was a doddle.
The Caterham can hold a surprising amount of luggage too (I toured in mine) but maybe the Valkyrie will come with a roof rack?
The Caterham had an acceptable range provided you didn't practice your 0-60 times from each traffic light (which admittedly was pretty tempting).
My Caterham also had a full size spare wheel on the back and had designated areas for front and rear number plates which didn't disrupt the aero (;) )
The suspension was pretty compliant for a low slung car and speed humps were a minor inconvenience not a no-go zone.
The Caterham was pretty easy to maintain day to day as a road car, brake pads, tyres etc. were all freely available and in the event you encountered a problem on the side of the road, the nice AA man could always getting it going again.
Now, we don't know the details of the Valkyrie road car but if can do all things my Caterham could I will be very surprised.
From what you say I doubt you've driven a Caterham but have you ever sat in one?
Besides, a lot of posters rate the Caterham as daily driver....
Can't multiple quote, sorry, but;A Caterham is narrower, has incredible 360 visibility (uses mirrors not cameras and slightly cheap looking little screens bolted to the dash) so can be driven in traffic very easily and parallel parking was a doddle.
The Caterham can hold a surprising amount of luggage too (I toured in mine) but maybe the Valkyrie will come with a roof rack?
The Caterham had an acceptable range provided you didn't practice your 0-60 times from each traffic light (which admittedly was pretty tempting).
My Caterham also had a full size spare wheel on the back and had designated areas for front and rear number plates which didn't disrupt the aero (;) )
The suspension was pretty compliant for a low slung car and speed humps were a minor inconvenience not a no-go zone.
The Caterham was pretty easy to maintain day to day as a road car, brake pads, tyres etc. were all freely available and in the event you encountered a problem on the side of the road, the nice AA man could always getting it going again.
Now, we don't know the details of the Valkyrie road car but if can do all things my Caterham could I will be very surprised.
From what you say I doubt you've driven a Caterham but have you ever sat in one?
Besides, a lot of posters rate the Caterham as daily driver....
1) With the roof down yes, doubt it with the roof up
2) Maybe bungy corded to the role bar.....
3) Many cars don't have a spare now
Anyway it's a pointless argument. We should all rejoice that one of the great F1 Engineers is finally being given a free hand to design a "hyper car" however impracticable it may turn out to be.
Not sure you can use bungy cords on a Valkyrie...but I'd love to see it
As for visibility with the roof up - I wouldn't know, I never put the roof up in two years (I tried once but the damn thing wouldn't fit)
As you say it's a pointless argument until we know the facts.
WestyCarl said:
Anyway it's a pointless argument. We should all rejoice that one of the great F1 Engineers is finally being given a free hand to design a "hyper car" however impracticable it may turn out to be.
Absolutely. (and FWIW I used to take all my stuff between home and Uni bungied onto the rollbar of a Westfield. Happy days )
From Norse mythology.
Maldini35 said:
MX5 in Norway? Good man!
My family is from Bergen so I can understand the challenges that would bring.
You're right, we don't know what the Valkyrie road car will actually deliver. I could be right or totally wrong.
On a separate topic - I'm fascinated to see how the car drives at speed.
Given how some F1 drivers struggled to cope with the extreme downforce generated by the active suspension cars in the early 90's, I can't imagine how most non professional drivers will cope with the quoted 1800kg of downforce.
What could possibly go wrong... My family is from Bergen so I can understand the challenges that would bring.
You're right, we don't know what the Valkyrie road car will actually deliver. I could be right or totally wrong.
On a separate topic - I'm fascinated to see how the car drives at speed.
Given how some F1 drivers struggled to cope with the extreme downforce generated by the active suspension cars in the early 90's, I can't imagine how most non professional drivers will cope with the quoted 1800kg of downforce.
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