Nuisance bikers
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amancalledrob said:
No, because it isn't.
The OP started this thread (from which we've digressed by quite some way, sorry about that) because he's got people racing up and down his street repeatedly at all hours of the night.
I've got an aftermarket can on my bike which is louder than stock and may or may not annoy people. I'm no saint but I stick to 30/40 limits and I keep the noise down in town, which with appropriate gear selection is very easily done.
They're two very different things. I'm disappointed that you've failed to grasp that.
Can you explain where you come across all this static traffic that requires a super loud but not antisocial exhaust? Is that out in the wilderness away from people? The OP started this thread (from which we've digressed by quite some way, sorry about that) because he's got people racing up and down his street repeatedly at all hours of the night.
I've got an aftermarket can on my bike which is louder than stock and may or may not annoy people. I'm no saint but I stick to 30/40 limits and I keep the noise down in town, which with appropriate gear selection is very easily done.
They're two very different things. I'm disappointed that you've failed to grasp that.
The reason this is going back and forth is because of the flimsy excuse used by you and others as the reason for fitting a loud can. Trying to justify "safety" as a primary reason is complete nonsense. If you you just admitted it's because you like it when it goes BWAARRRRP then it would be much easier to accept your decision.
If only there was some other device on the bike, like some kind of way of giving an audible warning, perhaps even directing the sound forwards rather than backwards. That'd be amazing and then nobody would need to claim their noisy exhaust was for safety reasons \o/
I'd also like to see a Venn diagram showing 'people who have a noisy can for safety reasons' and 'people who wear hi-vis'. I suspect the crossover would be incredibly slim.
I'd also like to see a Venn diagram showing 'people who have a noisy can for safety reasons' and 'people who wear hi-vis'. I suspect the crossover would be incredibly slim.
Cold said:
amancalledrob said:
No, because it isn't.
The OP started this thread (from which we've digressed by quite some way, sorry about that) because he's got people racing up and down his street repeatedly at all hours of the night.
I've got an aftermarket can on my bike which is louder than stock and may or may not annoy people. I'm no saint but I stick to 30/40 limits and I keep the noise down in town, which with appropriate gear selection is very easily done.
They're two very different things. I'm disappointed that you've failed to grasp that.
Can you explain where you come across all this static traffic that requires a super loud but not antisocial exhaust? Is that out in the wilderness away from people? The OP started this thread (from which we've digressed by quite some way, sorry about that) because he's got people racing up and down his street repeatedly at all hours of the night.
I've got an aftermarket can on my bike which is louder than stock and may or may not annoy people. I'm no saint but I stick to 30/40 limits and I keep the noise down in town, which with appropriate gear selection is very easily done.
They're two very different things. I'm disappointed that you've failed to grasp that.
The reason this is going back and forth is because of the flimsy excuse used by you and others as the reason for fitting a loud can. Trying to justify "safety" as a primary reason is complete nonsense. If you you just admitted it's because you like it when it goes BWAARRRRP then it would be much easier to accept your decision.
- the exhaust on the bike when I got it was a cheap aftermarket one that sounded bad and caused the bike to fuel badly (it runs on carbs)
- the stock exhaust isn't easily available and is prohibitively expensive as the bike's 18 years old
- the one I've bought makes a nice noise and is shiny
Your assertion that I've used safety as a 'flimsy excuse' seems to result from the fact that you just haven't been paying attention, or perhaps you should have gone to specsavers.
Keep up at the back, love. Now perhaps we can return to the topic?
Rawwr said:
If only there was some other device on the bike, like some kind of way of giving an audible warning, perhaps even directing the sound forwards rather than backwards. That'd be amazing and then nobody would need to claim their noisy exhaust was for safety reasons \o/
I'd also like to see a Venn diagram showing 'people who have a noisy can for safety reasons' and 'people who wear hi-vis'. I suspect the crossover would be incredibly slim.
Ironic nickname given the argument I'd also like to see a Venn diagram showing 'people who have a noisy can for safety reasons' and 'people who wear hi-vis'. I suspect the crossover would be incredibly slim.
more noise means others are more likely to hear it and warn them of your presence earlier - this is a side effect of an exhaust but is not the sole reason for having one . A high vis makes you more likely to be seen and the only reason for wearing one. You can't go around holding your thumb on the horn - now that would be really annoying and prevent you from using the other controls properly - given your experience you should know this.. the use of the horn is for situations you anticipate - now stop being a dick.
This has nothing to do with the OP, move on.
Fwiw, we had a lot of issues with loud cars and bikes on our old road.. after 2 years of badgering our local council, they eventually installed speed bumps.. the same ones you describe where bikes just fly straight through the middle!! The police weren't interested tbh. The Council couldn't install any cameras because the roads are managed by TFL (good luck getting their attention). I badgered our local Councillors with CCTV footage every few weeks but probably should have also gotten our local MP involved. Either way, it took a lot of badgering for a solution that helped, but didn't fully solve the issue.
In the end , we moved! (not what you want to hear, I know). We still get the odd bike down our new road, which is almost worse because its pretty quiet at night and when they fly past it wakes up my 9month old pretty easily.
I don't buy the whole argument of wanting to be safer by installing a louder exhaust. If you really cared for your safety you would choose a safer mode of transport. Causing a disturbance to pretty much everyone you pass (its actually quite distressing for babies and elderly) is pure selfish. "I want to be safer, so you all need to look out for ME". Usually the same riders who wear all black and tinted visors so you can't make eye contact with them.
Also, why do bikers feel the need to rev their engine whenever they pass a car in traffic with its window open? again, its distressing for younger kids and pointless, surely? If you want to filter through traffic at such a large speed differential between you and a stationary car, the issue ISN'T with the car driver who didn't see you coming.
In the end , we moved! (not what you want to hear, I know). We still get the odd bike down our new road, which is almost worse because its pretty quiet at night and when they fly past it wakes up my 9month old pretty easily.
I don't buy the whole argument of wanting to be safer by installing a louder exhaust. If you really cared for your safety you would choose a safer mode of transport. Causing a disturbance to pretty much everyone you pass (its actually quite distressing for babies and elderly) is pure selfish. "I want to be safer, so you all need to look out for ME". Usually the same riders who wear all black and tinted visors so you can't make eye contact with them.
Also, why do bikers feel the need to rev their engine whenever they pass a car in traffic with its window open? again, its distressing for younger kids and pointless, surely? If you want to filter through traffic at such a large speed differential between you and a stationary car, the issue ISN'T with the car driver who didn't see you coming.
Edited by tejr on Thursday 20th July 11:44
I fit my exhaust because it sounds good (to me) when it goes brap, and pop.
The safety thing, to me, is just a bonus. It is noticeable in 2 occasions to me.
Filtering with a stock exhaust, I notice a lot less people move for me than when I have my aftermarket evil Satan asbo can fitted. Why they move, whether a kind act or because they don't want to be near the noise I don't know.
Closed junctions, where I can see a car about to pull out but he can't see me, due to height difference. On some occasions they can hear me and know I'm there.
As someone previously said, around town and residential areas it's easy to be very quiet with the correct gear.
Op, I would video them, try and get some plates. Or maybe the poster who said he may know one of the gentlemen could be a good idea?
The safety thing, to me, is just a bonus. It is noticeable in 2 occasions to me.
Filtering with a stock exhaust, I notice a lot less people move for me than when I have my aftermarket evil Satan asbo can fitted. Why they move, whether a kind act or because they don't want to be near the noise I don't know.
Closed junctions, where I can see a car about to pull out but he can't see me, due to height difference. On some occasions they can hear me and know I'm there.
As someone previously said, around town and residential areas it's easy to be very quiet with the correct gear.
Op, I would video them, try and get some plates. Or maybe the poster who said he may know one of the gentlemen could be a good idea?
Rawwr said:
If only there was some other device on the bike, like some kind of way of giving an audible warning, perhaps even directing the sound forwards rather than backwards. That'd be amazing and then nobody would need to claim their noisy exhaust was for safety reasons \o/
I'd also like to see a Venn diagram showing 'people who have a noisy can for safety reasons' and 'people who wear hi-vis'. I suspect the crossover would be incredibly slim.
It's interesting that many posters are assuming you don't ride, given your profile and significant biker banter posting!I'd also like to see a Venn diagram showing 'people who have a noisy can for safety reasons' and 'people who wear hi-vis'. I suspect the crossover would be incredibly slim.
Just to throw my two pence in, I like loud bikes. My ducati is probably too loud, but I've not knowingly had anyone disapprove. My neighbours little lad often comes out and I let him start it.
My R1 - just a slip on with a DB killer. I didn't like the original and if it is louder than standard, I couldn't really tell.
Loud pipes save lives? I would hazard a guess that there's not much empirical evidence of this, and as I was knocked on my bike a couple of weeks ago when overtaking (car pulled out whilst I went past, only about a 10 - 20mph difference and guy in front stopped and confirmed 100% not my fault, he saw me in his mirror, and then the car behind that pushed me off the road swing out and hit me) I would suggest that it didn't help him notice me.
The OP was about nuisance riders being reckless and inconsiderate. There are car drivers just as guilty as the riders doing this and the steps taken to stop nuisance bikers should be applied to all inconsiderate motorists.
MDUBZ said:
I don't rev it up outside the house?!? I start her up, let her idle for a bit to warm up and ride off..
Right, so you're a bit of a NIMBY. Won't rev it outside your own house, but other people's streets is OK? So exactly what the OP was talking about 
Where do you live? I want to practice my drunk, stoned handbrake turns, but don't want to upset my lovely neighbours.
amancalledrob said:
I have made, and will make, no safety claims for having a louder exhaust. It is purely for the following reasons:
- the exhaust on the bike when I got it was a cheap aftermarket one that sounded bad and caused the bike to fuel badly (it runs on carbs)
- the stock exhaust isn't easily available and is prohibitively expensive as the bike's 18 years old
- the one I've bought makes a nice noise and is shiny
Your assertion that I've used safety as a 'flimsy excuse' seems to result from the fact that you just haven't been paying attention, or perhaps you should have gone to specsavers.
Keep up at the back, love. Now perhaps we can return to the topic?
Can't be many motorbikes fitted with a reverse gear. - the exhaust on the bike when I got it was a cheap aftermarket one that sounded bad and caused the bike to fuel badly (it runs on carbs)
- the stock exhaust isn't easily available and is prohibitively expensive as the bike's 18 years old
- the one I've bought makes a nice noise and is shiny
Your assertion that I've used safety as a 'flimsy excuse' seems to result from the fact that you just haven't been paying attention, or perhaps you should have gone to specsavers.
Keep up at the back, love. Now perhaps we can return to the topic?
Cold said:
Can't be many motorbikes fitted with a reverse gear.
I think it's mostly Harleys and Goldwings but that's even further off topic. Re-read the thread. You're either confusing me with another poster or perhaps you could quote the post where I've made some sort of safety related claim?Cold said:
Can you explain where you come across all this static traffic that requires a super loud but not antisocial exhaust? Is that out in the wilderness away from people?
The reason this is going back and forth is because of the flimsy excuse used by you and others as the reason for fitting a loud can. Trying to justify "safety" as a primary reason is complete nonsense. If you you just admitted it's because you like it when it goes BWAARRRRP then it would be much easier to accept your decision.
I have a mt09 tracer with standard exhaust on at the min but am planning on getting the dealer to put on a arka exhaust next feb when its paid off and all mine. The reason this is going back and forth is because of the flimsy excuse used by you and others as the reason for fitting a loud can. Trying to justify "safety" as a primary reason is complete nonsense. If you you just admitted it's because you like it when it goes BWAARRRRP then it would be much easier to accept your decision.
This is a bad thing now?
The exhaust is a road legal yamaha option( yes you can buy the bike with the exhaust on from the factory) and will make the bike louder and sound better to my ears and is no worse/louder than other road legal exhausts factory fitted so some cars.
Why am I getting it?
Well I like the BWAAAP sound, I also like the BWAAAP sound of a lot of cars also with road legal loud pipes.
I also dont like the fact the intake on the bike is louder than the exhaust, Stand beside a mt09 and the intake noise will be the 1st thing you hear.
The fact is there is no acual proof that 'loud pipes save lifes' but also no proof they dont.
OpulentBob said:
MDUBZ said:
I don't rev it up outside the house?!? I start her up, let her idle for a bit to warm up and ride off..
Right, so you're a bit of a NIMBY. Won't rev it outside your own house, but other people's streets is OK? So exactly what the OP was talking about Where do you live? I want to practice my drunk, stoned handbrake turns, but don't want to upset my lovely neighbours.
; no, who said i rev it outside other people's houses? - the only place i'm in for any particular length of time is outside my own house when i start it up, as i'm not a gypsy and live in the same place you could argue this could ps off my neighbours and why would i want to piss them off. I don't go as you suggest and cause a nuisance elsewhere deliberately.. & would i be happy if you came and did hand break turns outside my house; of course not - not a point well made. If you come round stoned, make sure you share: i'll have a packet of biscuits at the ready..Edited by MDUBZ on Thursday 20th July 13:00
Edited by MDUBZ on Thursday 20th July 13:02
Noisey exhaust for safety - to some extent, but there are better ways.
Hitting the horn all the time to be noticed - no thanks, really annoying and hands are quite busy on a bike anyway.
NIMBY - not me. I some times hear loud bikes go past, don't care. it's the ones doing laps that are annoying.
Aftermarket illegal - not usually these days, if it's a bike less than 5 years old it can be very difficult to get an illegal exhaust... unless you go knock off chinese. Or go to town on the baffles with an old broom handle.
Back on track and on topic - you have no to very little chance to make them stop. Coppers in London can't stop bike gangs from doing acid attacks, thieving everything and generally terrorising the capital like the old wild west. You have the square root of fk all hope in getting plod to take on bikers because they are noisy and waking up little johnny.
Options - Take the law into your own hands. Depending on where you live you could get a motorbike gang to steal their bikes?
Find your local "hells angels" to have a word?
Hitting the horn all the time to be noticed - no thanks, really annoying and hands are quite busy on a bike anyway.
NIMBY - not me. I some times hear loud bikes go past, don't care. it's the ones doing laps that are annoying.
Aftermarket illegal - not usually these days, if it's a bike less than 5 years old it can be very difficult to get an illegal exhaust... unless you go knock off chinese. Or go to town on the baffles with an old broom handle.
Back on track and on topic - you have no to very little chance to make them stop. Coppers in London can't stop bike gangs from doing acid attacks, thieving everything and generally terrorising the capital like the old wild west. You have the square root of f
k all hope in getting plod to take on bikers because they are noisy and waking up little johnny.Options - Take the law into your own hands. Depending on where you live you could get a motorbike gang to steal their bikes?
Find your local "hells angels" to have a word?
Wait Here Until Green Light Shows said:
Willy Nilly said:
How much did the noisy can reduce your insurance premium by?
My Remus Revolution cans upped my premium by £13. A small price to pay for a system that really does help people to know you're there. Unless you've ridden a motorcycle for any length of time you simply wouldn't have experienced the problem... People can literally be looking straight at you yet pull out anyway...worth Googling 'target fixation' to understand the phenomenon as it happens to bikers as well as car drivers alike. For some reason, a loud exhaust does definitely help. I can only assume this is down to the fact that they're receiving two senses rather than one (sight AND sound).But I know what you're getting at in the quote above...why don't insurance co's reduce your premium then - well yeah, that's not going to happen is it. I could argue that my premium should be less still because I wear a hi-viz vest, decent leathers and an expensive 5 star rated lid...that said, my Honda Blackbird only costs £97 a year to insure (because I'm old and sensible?...haha), so I can't really complain.
Anyway, this is by the by...I certainly don't rag by bike up and down the street. I fire it up and leave. There is no issue if you're a sensible biker (which the OP is obviously NOT talking about).
My bike has the standard stealth can.
it's already off topic so fk it.. depends whether the insurance covers the cost of the upgraded exhaust : my insurance will only cover the cost of replacing to stock - it could be an increase to cover that potential cost of the expensive part (my term's were >£1k) rather than the increase in the likelihood of a claim?
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