Nuisance bikers

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InitialDave

11,854 posts

118 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Killboy said:
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Um, I live in central London, and can without a shadow of a doubt say a loud pipe results in cars being much more aware of you. How could something that does not appeal to one of your senses not?
Does "aware" mean them thinking "I almost missed that biker, good thing I heard him", or muttering "fking loud tt..." to themselves?

MDUBZ

833 posts

99 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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net result.. Didn't get hit by unobservant or vision obscured motorist v's Didn't get hit by person with temperament control issues wink

Killboy

7,159 posts

201 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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InitialDave said:
Does "aware" mean them thinking "I almost missed that biker, good thing I heard him", or muttering "fking loud tt..." to themselves?
Dont really care, the net result is usually positioning themselves better enabling me to filter past, especially looking up from their mobile phones in traffic. Prime example is the Westway/A40 into London is 10 times better with the pipe in morning rush our. It also seems to help with dozy drivers lane drifting. When drivers pay the attention you all seem to believe they do, I'll gladly put the baffle back in and not annoy them.

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Car drivers who often talk about making their cars sound better (in their opinion) criticising biker for making their bikes sound better (in their opinion).

spin

langtounlad

780 posts

170 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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TommyBuoy said:
Just to throw my two pence in, I like loud bikes. My ducati is probably too loud, but I've not knowingly had anyone disapprove.

My R1 - just a slip on with a DB killer. I didn't like the original and if it is louder than standard, I couldn't really tell.
I would probably disapprove but have no chance to let you know if I hear you when in my back garden which is at least 75mtrs (as the crow files) from the main road.
You appear to be considerate to your neighbours but oblivious to how much the noise annoys others when you are out and about.
As mentioned elsewhere the police are unlikely to take an interest so the selfish, inconsiderate pricks that like making a loud noise for their own gratification will continue to do so. It doesn't make it right however and I personally hope that their engines seize curse

DuncsGTi

1,152 posts

178 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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I just had this fitted this morning, completely legal and e marked as such.

It has the benefit of looking much better, being lighter and not really much louder than the standard can.

If I wanted to be antisocial, I'd get a decat so it'll pop flames all day long wink

langtounlad

780 posts

170 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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If it's legal then I can have no issue with it.
I certainly can't hear every bike that passes on the nearest main road and wouldn't expect to hear yours.
I still hope the loud bikes that I do hear, seize or have some other early demise.shoot
How some others think that it's ok to inflict that noise onto bystanders is beyond me.

DuncsGTi

1,152 posts

178 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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langtounlad said:
If it's legal then I can have no issue with it.
I certainly can't hear every bike that passes on the nearest main road and wouldn't expect to hear yours.
I still hope the loud bikes that I do hear, seize or have some other early demise.shoot
How some others think that it's ok to inflict that noise onto bystanders is beyond me.
The thing about that is, my MT-10 with that can is significantly quieter than my Ducati is on completely standard cans. I'm sure people would have an issue with the noise it produces but should that stop me using it?

TommyBuoy

1,269 posts

166 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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langtounlad said:
TommyBuoy said:
Just to throw my two pence in, I like loud bikes. My ducati is probably too loud, but I've not knowingly had anyone disapprove.

My R1 - just a slip on with a DB killer. I didn't like the original and if it is louder than standard, I couldn't really tell.
I would probably disapprove but have no chance to let you know if I hear you when in my back garden which is at least 75mtrs (as the crow files) from the main road.
You appear to be considerate to your neighbours but oblivious to how much the noise annoys others when you are out and about.
As mentioned elsewhere the police are unlikely to take an interest so the selfish, inconsiderate pricks that like making a loud noise for their own gratification will continue to do so. It doesn't make it right however and I personally hope that their engines seize curse
Don't fret mate, you're few hundred miles away from me. You'll be ok.

If I'm down your way I'll ride really fast, that way it won't bother you for long.

This thread started as 'how can I make anti social riders stop terrorising my street' and has ended with anyone who has a loud bike (and maybe we should add car to that) being an inconsiderate prick.

I dislike hearing other people's music or the radio coming from their cars, especially convertibles - even at a respectable level you can still hear it. But I figure live and let live.

While I'm at it, I hate the sound of tyre noise. When will everyone with rubber on the road stop being inconsiderate pricks!?

rolleyes



TommyBuoy

1,269 posts

166 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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DuncsGTi said:
langtounlad said:
If it's legal then I can have no issue with it.
I certainly can't hear every bike that passes on the nearest main road and wouldn't expect to hear yours.
I still hope the loud bikes that I do hear, seize or have some other early demise.shoot
How some others think that it's ok to inflict that noise onto bystanders is beyond me.
The thing about that is, my MT-10 with that can is significantly quieter than my Ducati is on completely standard cans. I'm sure people would have an issue with the noise it produces but should that stop me using it?
No you shouldn't stop using it. A Ferrari is louder than a normal car, as is and real performance car. My Ducati is loud. They are built that way.

My first post on this thread was a constructive one, about maybe ways to get the knobbers who are treating a residential road as a track.

Now it's turned into bike bashing. An illegal exhaust is annoying, if you live near a road. A loud, legal exhaust on a bike being driven responsibly - well tough st if it bothers you, lots of legal things bother people.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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TommyBuoy said:
Don't fret mate, you're few hundred miles away from me. You'll be ok.

If I'm down your way I'll ride really fast, that way it won't bother you for long.

This thread started as 'how can I make anti social riders stop terrorising my street' and has ended with anyone who has a loud bike (and maybe we should add car to that) being an inconsiderate prick.

I dislike hearing other people's music or the radio coming from their cars, especially convertibles - even at a respectable level you can still hear it. But I figure live and let live.

While I'm at it, I hate the sound of tyre noise. When will everyone with rubber on the road stop being inconsiderate pricks!?

rolleyes
Pathetic.

If you've ever lived near a main road you'll realize what misery loud exhausts and stereos cause 24hrs a day.

Construction laws have been made repeatedly stricter to make cars/tyres/wind/engine/exhaust noise as socially responsible as possible, and then you get a minority of s who deliberately alter their vehicles to make them nosier for their own selfish enjoyment and say fk you to everyone else.

TommyBuoy

1,269 posts

166 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Mr GrimNasty said:
TommyBuoy said:
Don't fret mate, you're few hundred miles away from me. You'll be ok.

If I'm down your way I'll ride really fast, that way it won't bother you for long.

This thread started as 'how can I make anti social riders stop terrorising my street' and has ended with anyone who has a loud bike (and maybe we should add car to that) being an inconsiderate prick.

I dislike hearing other people's music or the radio coming from their cars, especially convertibles - even at a respectable level you can still hear it. But I figure live and let live.

While I'm at it, I hate the sound of tyre noise. When will everyone with rubber on the road stop being inconsiderate pricks!?

rolleyes
Pathetic.

If you've ever lived near a main road you'll realize what misery loud exhausts and stereos cause 24hrs a day.

Construction laws have been made repeatedly stricter to make cars/tyres/wind/engine/exhaust noise as socially responsible as possible, and then you get a minority of s who deliberately alter their vehicles to make them nosier for their own selfish enjoyment and say fk you to everyone else.
Amazing the assumptions people make. I lived on an A road for 20 years. I'm aware of how disruptive loud things are. That's why I offered my advice originally.

But! If a bike / car / lorry / bicycle is legal and ridden responsibly then there's fk all anyone can do. Sure it's not right, but this thread is just bashing anyone who modifies the sound of said vehicle. Again, it started with anti social behaviour - which is illegal.

You'd really hate me. I smoke as well - which is legal but I'm a for polluting your air.

MDUBZ

833 posts

99 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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this place is getting full of GOM.. WTF happened to PH!! mumsnet anyone



Edited by MDUBZ on Thursday 20th July 21:39

TommyBuoy

1,269 posts

166 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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MDUBZ said:
this place is getting full of GOM..

Agreed. Bored now. I recall why I don't read general gassing very often now.

To the OP, if you ever get this far past all the irrelevant ste, hope your problem gets sorted.

Loyly

17,990 posts

158 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Willy Nilly said:
If your noisy pipe meant you crashed less, you insurance would be lower due to the lower claims, but your premiums are higher, which suggests higher claims.

My bike has the standard stealth can.
It's more of a case of the insurance companies having leeway to charge you more for a modification you'd want to make, so they will. I have no doubt heavily modified bikes get crashed more than standard bikes, much as I suspect more R1's get crashed than Diversions do, per sample size. Loud exhausts can be a useful safety tool because they really do make pedestrians and drivers look but they should never be relied upon and their conspicuousness should never factor into your riding plan. I'd never decrease my safety margin for a loud can.

That being said, what a wretched and humourless place General Gassing has become. I thought that at least on PH, some comround understanding would be made for bikes having fun. Whilst I'm definitely not okay with knob head bikers, usually kids on st supermotos and trailies, ragging round built up areas, I'm surprised at the amount of bhy posters who seem to think bikes shouldn't be having fun anywhere. As if they are defeated by the anti-car culture of the UK and they want bikers to stop having fun too. I would have said a more permissive attitude towards safely enjoying a bike, even a noisy bike, would have been the way forward here.

FWIW, my bike is pretty bloody loud even though the exhaust it's fitted with was sold as an accessory by the manufacturer at the point of sale. It's not enough to fail an MOT but even by the testers admission, it's loud and I personally wouldn't want anything louder. It's too loud for trackdays, but that doesn't bother me. I've had the bike for over two years and I've never had a single complaint. I ride courteously in the village where I live, taking a high enough gear that the noise is killed off to a good extent, and I open the taps on quiet B roads, showing the same consideration when I pass through other villages. I accept that my bike is loud, and not everyone wants to hear it. Few will ever hear it at 10,000rpm other than me, because I choose to ride in the wilds rather than round town. However, my bike is a triple and it does sound fking mint.

There is a trend at the moment for big singles and stubby cans. Singles don't sound pleasing to me over a couple of thousand rpm, at the most. Stubby cans usually drone and sound quite flat. Most expensive aftermarket stuff sounds good, from Yoshimura to Akrapovic etc provided it's not stuck to a single.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

166 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Loyly said:
That being said, what a wretched and humourless place General Gassing has become. I thought that at least on PH, some comround understanding would be made for bikes having fun. Whilst I'm definitely not okay with knob head bikers, usually kids on st supermotos and trailies, ragging round built up areas, I'm surprised at the amount of bhy posters who seem to think bikes shouldn't be having fun anywhere. As if they are defeated by the anti-car culture of the UK and they want bikers to stop having fun too. I would have said a more permissive attitude towards safely enjoying a bike, even a noisy bike, would have been the way forward here.
The issue is, that we live on a very densely populated island and most people want peace and quite rather than the sound of noisy bikes, or noisy anything else for that matter.

InitialDave

11,854 posts

118 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Loyly said:
I'm definitely not okay with knob head bikers, usually kids on st supermotos and trailies, ragging round built up areas, I'm surprised at the amount of bhy posters who seem to think bikes shouldn't be having fun anywhere.
Because when you say "louder exhaust", what you describe is what most people think off. Because that's what they have to put up with around where they live when they want peace and quiet: annoying s on stheap bikes being deliberately obnoxious, just as the OP described.

I think most people don't really notice a slightly louder sports bike as being anything different to "generic bike" when it's a been-and-gone overtake on an open road.

TobyLerone

1,128 posts

143 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Pathetic.

If you've ever lived near a main road you'll realize what misery loud exhausts and stereos cause 24hrs a day.

Construction laws have been made repeatedly stricter to make cars/tyres/wind/engine/exhaust noise as socially responsible as possible, and then you get a minority of s who deliberately alter their vehicles to make them nosier for their own selfish enjoyment and say fk you to everyone else.
That's about how I'd describe you...

You're on a MOTORING ENTHUSIAST forum you doughnut. It's probably a safe bet more folk here like loud, fast stuff then the general public. Even more so if it's exotica... lick

I've modified cars and bikes a lot, but more bikes than cars. I like hearing my engine. Sorry if that bothers you, but I'm not changing for a grumpy old cantankerous git.

I think nearly everyone over ~25 knows what could be considered antisocial, and generally avoid doing anything to provoke anyone - revving at lights close to homes, rolling burnouts, crazy stereo etc.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean everyone has to stop.

I guess you have habits that would engage others that you either don't care enough to change, or don't know you annoy others.

Incase you didn't get the message - it's the same thing.

And yeah, I get that there are toilets who run homemade zoomies on a wked out 12 year old Corsa, or a 17 year old lad with his obscene pipe on his 2 smoke scootay... but geez, if this is really that stressful to you, you are living a truly blessed life.

CoolHands

18,496 posts

194 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Proper bikes having loud exhausts I'm okay with.

Round here every fking on a moped and stty cbr125 has those pathetic hollow-sounding baked bean cans that try to make them sound like a big bike. But just fking irritate the st out of me. I live on a main road in London so it is fking fking fking annoying.

caelite

4,273 posts

111 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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I live on the edge of a town just as the road goes from 30 to NSL. Local timber company here runs open piped Scania's/Volvo's/a Sisu. You can almost feel the vibration when one goes past the house at full chat....I wouldn't have it any other way, they're awesome... biggrin.