RE: McLaren 570GT: PH Fleet

RE: McLaren 570GT: PH Fleet

Tuesday 22nd August 2017

McLaren 570GT: PH Fleet

Has the Corsa tyre upgrade unleashed the GT's true potential ... or ruined it?



Before I start wittering about tyres let me first address the issue raised in my previous report - namely the annoying rattle from somewhere in the rear of the car. So to McLaren Manchester's service department. Which isn't in Manchester at all but situated in Knutsford and incorporated into the local Bentley dealership - easy enough to find by virtue of the appropriately spray-tanned Bentayga on display outside. They do nice cakes though. And the people watching is good value.

Well if you have to twin up the dealership...
Well if you have to twin up the dealership...
I also appreciated the fact the technician who worked on the car was summoned to talk me round what he'd done, and in admirable detail too. He'd adjusted the catches and the stops on the rear glass hatch, some loose trim under the fluids inspection hatch was fixed down and the small mesh panel over the exhausts tightened. The investigations also found that four bolts from the underfloor aluminium panel were missing - these were replaced and threadlocked into place for good measure. Whatever was rattling has now stopped and the difference is... actually quite significant. Only now it's gone have I realised actually how distracting the chatter was.

What about the tyres then? Justifiably you might ask why, having opted for a GT, I've tried from the start to make 'my' Sports Series feel more like an S. You can do this visually by going for the dark inserts on the door vents. I did it aurally by optioning back in the louder sports exhaust. And now dynamically, upgrading to the P Zero Corsa tyre that's standard on the S and an £810 option when you order a GT new.

Greater front end eagerness and grip welcome here!
Greater front end eagerness and grip welcome here!
My very first drive in the GT was along the same Saddleworth Moor roads I'd recently enjoyed the 570S on and I immediately noticed the relative softness of the front end. The steering is still a stand-out feature on the Sports Series, but the GT's rack ratio is backed off to 15.7:1 from the S's 15.1:1, this and the less aggressive P Zero tyres meaning you need a couple of degrees of lock before you get a response. Which is, of course, deliberate given the GT is meant to feel a little more relaxed.

I rather like the pointiness of the S's front end though. So I headed to the same stretch of road again to see if the Corsas had given the GT a little more bite. First impressions? Definitely more camber sensitivity and tramlining - a pretty significant amount on one particularly bumpy stretch. I've not encountered it since, however it's worth thinking about if you appreciate the GT's slightly more (all things relative) laid-back character.

With time close to being called on my custody of the car and a determination those last few miles weren't going to be racked up on the M1 I headed off to North Wales for a last blast. And here the added bite of the Corsas was really welcome, the sense there was more to lean on at the front meaning I was confident getting on the throttle earlier. The damping - and resulting traction - is so good you very, very rarely see a flicker of orange light from the dash in the 570. But within that threshold I could feel the subtle interventions of the Brake Steer system helping to drive the car into the corner, this increased grip revealing another level to the GT's handling.

You'd be sad giving this up too!
You'd be sad giving this up too!
If I were speccing a GT again I'd go for the Corsas then? Actually, probably not, though it's nice to have the option. On road and track I don't think the standard tyres lose that much and for the car's remit I appreciate the slightly dialled back approach. Saying that I'd swear the Corsas were slightly quieter, though that might have been the placebo effect of my new rattle-free calm. Well, until you edge out over the central lines to open out corners and have to endure the tha-DUM-tha-DUM-tha-DUM of cats' eyes pounding through the carbon tub - something I'd accept on an S but I wonder if could use addressing for the GT. One blessing? It means McLaren never need install an annoying lane departure warning bleeper as you're left in no doubt should you ever cross the line!

And with that I finally, reluctantly, hand over the keys to GT08 MCL for our Matt to enjoy the 1,200 miles or so remaining of the allocated 8,000. It's been a blast.


FACT SHEET
Car: McLaren 570GT
Run by: Dan and now Matt
On fleet since: April
Mileage: 6,795
List price new: £178,735 (Basic list price of £155,755, plus Elite Ice Silver paint £3,490, Super-Lightweight Forged wheels in Stealth £3,490 + £1,110, red brake calipers £900, Rocket Red badge set, Vehicle Tracking System £630, Sports Exhaust £3,240, Luxury Design 2 package in Saddle Tan and Carbon Black from By McLaren Designer Interiors £2,520, Carbon Fibre Interior Pack £2,500, GT Upgrade Pack £5,020, first aid kit and warning triangle £60)
Last month at a glance: Is it time to try the option tyre? Of Corsa!

Previous updates:
The joy of specs
Taking delivery
570 GT videoblog
Enjoying the new supercar smell
It's no track car... but it's pretty good on track!
Off to the dealer to sort a few squeaks and rattles

 

 


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Marc H

Original Poster:

208 posts

155 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Four missing bolts on a McLaren...? Not a good advert for them!

HardMiles

320 posts

87 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Not good at all, admirable that they chose to disclose that information mind you. Especially knowing where it would be heading.

However it's not a Supercar, as all of those stopped being made in the 90's.

Everything now truly is plastic fantastic. Built to a budget. Chiron is an exception, along with Koenigsegg and Pagani. However I'm still left numb by the chase for pub numbers as opposed to actual fun.

C.A.R.

3,967 posts

189 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Marc H said:
Four missing bolts on a McLaren...? Not a good advert for them!
People forget that McLaren cars are not a mass-manufactured vehicle put together with robots, with customer cars very much becoming a part of the 'development' of the model. Problems will occur. The manufacturer must maintain face by being prompt with repairs / replacement parts and service level. But even then, a smaller manufacturer won't have a nationwide support network of that of a larger manufacturer who also makes "mainstream" cars.

I think if you can't accept that small niggles will happen on your expensive 'supercar' (which this very much is), likely to be one of a few hundred rather than one of tens/hundreds of thousands of similar models, then something like a McLaren isn't for you.

HighwayStar

4,285 posts

145 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Marc H said:
Four missing bolts on a McLaren...? Not a good advert for them!
No company escapes failures or drops offs. Ferraris adhesive fires, Porsche GT3 engines and people still queuing up to throw money at them.
No, its it's not good, but if my numbers come up... McLaren would be getting my money. That it was sorted on the first attempt and quickly is what I take from the piece.

Marc H

Original Poster:

208 posts

155 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Indeed, I guess... as TVRs used to be... Morgans too....? Don't think that I will ever be able to afford, or really need to use, a Macca... but I had a good trip around the Tech Centre not long ago, saw a turquoise 570GT in the flesh and very nice it looked too... My parking skills and that in the supermarket car park.... nightmare!

Mustang Baz

1,632 posts

235 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Interesting article re the Corsa's - which appear somewhat of a polarising tyre. On the various Maserati forums, the Corsas appear to have a lot of poorer feedback when used in the cold/wet (below 12-13c especially), so I am interested if anyone has had positive experiences of the tyre in these conditions (clearly excepting "true" winter tyre conditions sub 7c).

Joeguard1990

1,181 posts

127 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Funny reading this, as I also have the same set of Tyres, P Zero Corsas, fitted to my RX8 which I did before my Nurburgring Trip.

Absolutely excellent grip in the dry and couldn't get them to squeal once, but then compared to this Mclaren my car probably doesn't even pull enough Gs in the corners to even get them anywhere near their limit!

Strong believer that tyres should be the most important upgrade on any car especially if you track it.

Joeguard1990

1,181 posts

127 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Mustang Baz said:
Interesting article re the Corsa's - which appear somewhat of a polarising tyre. On the various Maserati forums, the Corsas appear to have a lot of poorer feedback when used in the cold/wet (below 12-13c especially), so I am interested if anyone has had positive experiences of the tyre in these conditions (clearly excepting "true" winter tyre conditions sub 7c).
I used to daily mine and had no issues. It would catch you out in the wet if you had the TC turned off now again if you were giving it some but no issues as far as I was concerned. If you want a tyre to go fast in the wet then obviously I wouldn't recommend them...

Geoffcapes

694 posts

165 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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The P Zero's on my Maser GTS are woeful in the wet and when it's cold.

After Le Mans this year I hoped I would wear them out enough before Autumn where we traditionally get more wet weather (perhaps I should have said summer) and it gets colder so I can replace them with some Michelin PS4's.

Is this a Maser specific issue or am I just expecting too much from the tyre?
Or is it the fact that my GTS doesn't have so many nannying aids that it means you get to drive it a bit more using 'feel'?

E65Ross

35,100 posts

213 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Spotted this very car heading down the M4 on Sunday near Swindon approx 3:30pm

Targarama

14,635 posts

284 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Marc H said:
Four missing bolts on a McLaren...? Not a good advert for them!
It was only an undertray, could easily have been bashed a bit and knocked them loose.

Marc H

Original Poster:

208 posts

155 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Highly unlikely that smashing a speedbump or something would make four bolts undo themselves and fall off...

Would be interesting to find out from PH or McLaren exactly what function this undertray thing actually had....! The fact that it didn't fall off itself means that presumably, it had more than four bolts. Either way, I would expect my Macca not to be assembled like a 1997 Fiat Marea....

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

206 months

PH Reportery Lad

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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E65Ross said:
Spotted this very car heading down the M4 on Sunday near Swindon approx 3:30pm
Yes you did! Went to Wales for a drive - sorry to rub it in Dan - and was on my way home. More on that soon!


Matt

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

169 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Marc H said:
Four missing bolts on a McLaren...? Not a good advert for them!
In answer to this and others raising the same point I'd point out these are more small 'trim fastening' bolts holding the aluminium sheet undertray in place rather than major structural components tying the back end of the car together. I've asked McLaren for a more accurate sense of this for proper context but I'd hesitate before blowing it out of proportion.

Thanks!

Dan

Marc H

Original Poster:

208 posts

155 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Ok thanks.... I say all this as somebody who cracked the sump of my Alfa 146ti by hitting a speedbump too hard once.... easily done. But it was a company car anyway.