Focus RS Broke down - fuming with Ford!
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It's my understanding although I may be wrong that the issue is a small percentage of vehicles were fitted with the wrong HG (from the Mustang interestingly) the HGs are not different enough to the naked eye to differentiate and therefore; somehow Mustang HGs made their way into some RS engines. This blocks off a waterway from what I hear which boils fluid and causes the failure (long story short).
Now that being the case I can somewhat see your point as IF this is the case with your particular car then it would have likely failed anyway however the problem is that your issue has been compounded/exacerbated/muddied by the modifications of unknown origin. It's an interesting and extremely frustrating situation you're in**.
So good luck with that..
Now that being the case I can somewhat see your point as IF this is the case with your particular car then it would have likely failed anyway however the problem is that your issue has been compounded/exacerbated/muddied by the modifications of unknown origin. It's an interesting and extremely frustrating situation you're in**.
So good luck with that..
- predicated on the assumption that UK cars were effected by this RS/Mustang HG mix up issue / this isn't all a massive wind up
Edited by squareflops on Saturday 13th January 09:01
Oh Jeff, why won't you just post the damn picture of the car and stop arguing with the Internet. Wouldn't it be great it you could prove everyone wrong about you? So simple, but you won't do it, will you?
Wouldn't it just be marvelous it turns out here is a real Focus RS in this tale and that the head gasket was at fault due to Ford using the Mustang Head gasket instead of the Focus one (apparently the cause of the problem)?
Because that is a known issue it *may* even be accepted by Ford as their liability even if the car is modded as it is clearly the wrong part fitted.
Wouldn't it just be marvelous it turns out here is a real Focus RS in this tale and that the head gasket was at fault due to Ford using the Mustang Head gasket instead of the Focus one (apparently the cause of the problem)?
Because that is a known issue it *may* even be accepted by Ford as their liability even if the car is modded as it is clearly the wrong part fitted.
Jeff_Enthused said:
Ok I saw the bloke and he said the head gasket failure which dont have anything to do with any mods but is a fault with all RS engines so he has given me a fee to sort it but first I am going to go back to ford with this information because clearly if this isnt to do with any modding then it is wriggling out by ford to suggest it is.
So basically ford are trying to wriggle from this by saying if its modded then they dont have a do anything but the problem is not caused by the mod and thats fair is it apparently. I would have thought on a car forum people would stick up for car owners and not be part of the ford annual conference to swindon but hey ho, one way or another it will be fixed soon and you can all go back to patting yourselves on the back for being so clever.
If you dont want to accept the RS isnt as good then fine I will be selling this ASAP to get the type r or the new meagne rs.
Right. Regardless of whether this is a known fault, ford's warranty terms and conditions state that a car must not be modified in any way, other than their approved Mountune kits.So basically ford are trying to wriggle from this by saying if its modded then they dont have a do anything but the problem is not caused by the mod and thats fair is it apparently. I would have thought on a car forum people would stick up for car owners and not be part of the ford annual conference to swindon but hey ho, one way or another it will be fixed soon and you can all go back to patting yourselves on the back for being so clever.
If you dont want to accept the RS isnt as good then fine I will be selling this ASAP to get the type r or the new meagne rs.
The car has been modded by a third party. Therefore you need to prove the mods had nothing to do with it. If, for example the sat nav failed, then you can show the mods to the engine are not anything to do with it and Ford (in theory) would replace it.
However a headgasket, despite being a known fault, could still have been caused by a bad map or whatever other mods it has. If the engine temps are getting too hot for the cooling system to handle, then the headgasket can blow. Ford have their getout clause and have no obligation to pay. This is not Ford's own warranty that specifies this, this is the same for every car warranty there is.
For example, lets say a model of iPhone had a known fault where the water-proofing was failing and water got into the phone and damaged it, but Apple claimed it was water-proof. If the phone was completely original, they would replace the phone. However, if you had the screen replaced with a 3rd party item Apple would (rightly) say that the phone has been altered by someone else and they cannot honour the warranty.
Ford are actually better than most in that they warrant the Mountune upgrade. It is not as agressive as other offerings (and not cheap), but why do people have it? Yep, because it maintains the warranty.
You just need to accept that luck was not on your side and your gamble on a cheaper private sale with mods has not paid off.
SteBrown91 said:
Ford's warranty terms and conditions state that a car must not be modified in any way, other than their approved Mountune kits.
I think that even in the unlikely event that : 1. Jeff actually exists. 2. The car actually exists - he is unlikely to understand let alone accept the implications of T&Cs.Jeff_Enthused said:
Ok I saw the bloke and he said the head gasket failure which dont have anything to do with any mods but is a fault with all RS engines so he has given me a fee to sort it but first I am going to go back to ford with this information because clearly if this isnt to do with any modding then it is wriggling out by ford to suggest it is.
So basically ford are trying to wriggle from this by saying if its modded then they dont have a do anything but the problem is not caused by the mod and thats fair is it apparently. I would have thought on a car forum people would stick up for car owners and not be part of the ford annual conference to swindon but hey ho, one way or another it will be fixed soon and you can all go back to patting yourselves on the back for being so clever.
If you dont want to accept the RS isnt as good then fine I will be selling this ASAP to get the type r or the new meagne rs.
He documented the mods for you then? So you have a report from a qualified professional which states what changes have been made, with supporting evidence, and what your failure mode is, again with evidence, and why the two aren't linked, again with, you guessed it, evidence.So basically ford are trying to wriggle from this by saying if its modded then they dont have a do anything but the problem is not caused by the mod and thats fair is it apparently. I would have thought on a car forum people would stick up for car owners and not be part of the ford annual conference to swindon but hey ho, one way or another it will be fixed soon and you can all go back to patting yourselves on the back for being so clever.
If you dont want to accept the RS isnt as good then fine I will be selling this ASAP to get the type r or the new meagne rs.
Armed with this information you can take your argument to Ford and have a reasoned debate as to why they should repair the car for free.
Out of interest what have Ford officially said the problem with your car is and what work is shown on the official quote you've obtained for your file of evidence?
Assuming you're not using a flat bed, it's interesting that you continue to drive the broken car which doesn't work. I can't see how that is going to help in any way.
Given you are using it, you could pop a picture up to silence the doubters. Whilst you've got your camera out, you could post images of all the documents you've gathered so people can provide considered advice.
HustleRussell said:
So we’re supposed to believe that ‘Jeff’ and the previous owner discussed the issue and thrashed out a 50/50 deal between midnight and 8:25 this morningYou lot are gullible as f
k this isn’t even your average troll, so sub-par. My money is on it being Humandoing.
ferrisbueller said:
He documented the mods for you then? So you have a report from a qualified professional which states what changes have been made, with supporting evidence, and what your failure mode is, again with evidence, and why the two aren't linked, again with, you guessed it, evidence.
Armed with this information you can take your argument to Ford and have a reasoned debate as to why they should repair the car for free.
Out of interest what have Ford officially said the problem with your car is and what work is shown on the official quote you've obtained for your file of evidence?
Assuming you're not using a flat bed, it's interesting that you continue to drive the broken car which doesn't work. I can't see how that is going to help in any way.
Given you are using it, you could pop a picture up to silence the doubters. Whilst you've got your camera out, you could post images of all the documents you've gathered so people can provide considered advice.
When did I say I drove it lol. Jesus are you aware that men have legs and can come to an object without it moving. And i dont need to prove tiddly squits to anyone on here. Bell + ends = bellends. Armed with this information you can take your argument to Ford and have a reasoned debate as to why they should repair the car for free.
Out of interest what have Ford officially said the problem with your car is and what work is shown on the official quote you've obtained for your file of evidence?
Assuming you're not using a flat bed, it's interesting that you continue to drive the broken car which doesn't work. I can't see how that is going to help in any way.
Given you are using it, you could pop a picture up to silence the doubters. Whilst you've got your camera out, you could post images of all the documents you've gathered so people can provide considered advice.
ferrisbueller said:
Jeff_Enthused said:
When did I say I drove it lol. Jesus are you aware that men have legs and can come to an object without it moving. And i dont need to prove tiddly squits to anyone on here. Bell + ends = bellends.
OK, now you can go and fk yourself.
Jeff_Enthused said:
When did I say I drove it lol. Jesus are you aware that men have legs and can come to an object without it moving. And i dont need to prove tiddly squits to anyone on here. Bell + ends = bellends.
Did you walk it round ?Jeff_Enthused said:
Right I took it round to the guy I bought it from he said hed try fixing it by plugging something
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