RE: Polestar 1 available to pre-order now

RE: Polestar 1 available to pre-order now

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soupdragon1

2,557 posts

56 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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Looks the business, pity about the price tag.

On a vaguely relevant theme, I watched this review of the V90 T8 hybrid last night. They are a bit Bevais and Butthead unfortunately but they really liked the twin power delivery, seems to work extremely well.

https://youtu.be/Pp3-ckv2YOo

T8 is only 400bhp compared to this 600bhp car but this Polestar sounds promising. If you consider the T8 works so well (according to Bevais and Butthead anyway) and then add 200bhp, chop the back off, restyle it, remove a chunk of metal and replace with carbon fibre, redo the suspension and gearbox, I'd say this is going to be a pretty remarkable car.

Just a pity I'll never own one....

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

86 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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SpeckledJim said:
Seems to me it's got a very ordinary Volvo engine, coupled to a standard-ish hybrid system. Volvo interior and dash. Volvo electrical architecture. Volvo drivetrain. Volvo styling and engineering.

All the above is available on umpteen Volvos for c.£30k. The extra oomph this thing has is additional, granted. That's what gets me to £50k.

How on earth do we get to >£100k, given that 90% of the car is so very deeply ordinary?
You could always read the article wink

stuart-b

3,635 posts

185 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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SpeckledJim said:
Polrules said:
SpeckledJim said:
Seems to me it's got a very ordinary Volvo engine, coupled to a standard-ish hybrid system. Volvo interior and dash. Volvo electrical architecture. Volvo drivetrain. Volvo styling and engineering.

All the above is available on umpteen Volvos for c.£30k. The extra oomph this thing has is additional, granted. That's what gets me to £50k.

How on earth do we get to >£100k, given that 90% of the car is so very deeply ordinary?
Article suggests extensive use of carbon fibre to mitigate weight of powertrain - this will come at a price & likely explain the jump in cost.
I'd missed that. Thank you. smile
You missed a lot, apparently.

Only yesterday I was having a discussion with a guy in the office. We work in software engineering, and it's quite common for someone to read a long article, but get stuck on a keyword at the beginning and then completely ignore the rest of the article. It doesn't matter what it says in the remainder.

Here we have another example of this in the 'wild'.

RenesisEvo

3,123 posts

178 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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0-62 in 3.8 secs with 1000Nm and 4WD? It must be pretty hefty in weight - a Porsche Panamera Turbo, 2070 kg fuelled + driver (EC), runs 3.8 with 770Nm, and doesn't have the advantage of full torque from standing.

mikEsprit

721 posts

145 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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All I see is an Audi 5 with a prettier face. I think the 5 class is a pretty car so this isn't an insult.

MrOrange

1,904 posts

212 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Ah, seems like it will be LH drive only and an expected cost of €150k, or some subscription pricing.

Ahm oot

Venturist

3,104 posts

154 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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I really wish they’d made this as just a normal Volvo production model. It’s a gorgeous shape now forever wasted on a limited edition plaything, the problem being it’s not pretty enough to lust after it at £150k, where it’s competing with McLarens and new Vantage and so on. The powertrain is cool but honestly I’d have been happy with the same engine range as the rest of the Volvo models.

stuartrav

46 posts

171 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Given the price of the T8 S90 and T8 XC90, how anyone can expect this car to not cost at least somewhere in the region of what is stated in the article amazes me. Extra 200 bhp, loads of carbon, halo model and CHEAPER than the T8 S90, hmmm wonder why that won't happen.

Beautiful looking car. Hopefully the battery will have a longer range than my T8 XC90.

Venturist

3,104 posts

154 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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stuartrav said:
Given the price of the T8 S90 and T8 XC90, how anyone can expect this car to not cost at least somewhere in the region of what is stated in the article amazes me. Extra 200 bhp, loads of carbon, halo model and CHEAPER than the T8 S90, hmmm wonder why that won't happen.

Beautiful looking car. Hopefully the battery will have a longer range than my T8 XC90.
I think most people are saying this should have just had a normal powertrain and construction, not that they want a carbon hybrid rocket ship for pennies.

SpeckledJim

23,538 posts

212 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Hands-up, I didn't read the article properly and made a wrong assumption. It's a more special car than I thought it was.

But it doesn't look a special car. It looks great, it's very smart indeed, but it still looks 'ordinary'. It's priced against Continental GT, S-Class Coupe, and AMG GT, while looking, inside and out, like an A5 competitor. I don't think that's going to win very many fans.

moffat

1,003 posts

184 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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This looks fantastic and would fit the mid size coupe market perfectly.

So why can't they create a 4 series / A5 competitive car like this but with a powerful 400bhp hybrid petrol engine, it would be fantastic.

Hungrymc

4,790 posts

96 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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8V085 said:
BFleming said:
I had to look up where Chengdu was. Not in Sweden, it turns out.
Norway? Denmark?
And it will be marketed as “Built by Sweden”

That’s right, “by” not “in”.

athol

284 posts

169 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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SpeckledJim said:
Hands-up, I didn't read the article properly and made a wrong assumption. It's a more special car than I thought it was.

But it doesn't look a special car. It looks great, it's very smart indeed, but it still looks 'ordinary'. It's priced against Continental GT, S-Class Coupe, and AMG GT, while looking, inside and out, like an A5 competitor. I don't think that's going to win very many fans.
It’s fine not to like it but there are many others who disagree. It’s a lovely piece of design that works very well and for me, is very welcome amongst the super safe S class coupe, Bmw 6, etc etc. To compare it to an a5 is bizarre as it’s much more than that. Not just as a design but as a concept in sales and support - something that Audi is not great at and could use improving.

sparta6

2,265 posts

59 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Looks good.

But just how eco friendly is it's production footprint ?
Batteries don't grow on trees. So from the mining to the disposal, is it really greener than a petrol Mini ?

kambites

60,282 posts

180 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Because the people who are going to buy this £100k 600bhp GT would buy a little three-pot supermini if it didn't exist?

8V085

670 posts

36 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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kambites said:
Because the people who are going to buy this £100k 600bhp GT would buy a little three-pot supermini if it didn't exist?
I've read above 3 times and it still doesn't make sense, not in relation to sparta6's post that you were trying to come up with a coherent on point sarcastic response to...

sidesauce

1,515 posts

177 months

Saturday 12th May 2018
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The Swedes and the Chinese have put into practical application what drunken businessmen and bachelor party invitees have known for years – that pole stars are best rented, not bought.

Baldchap

3,433 posts

51 months

Saturday 12th May 2018
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tankplanker said:
think it'll end up being closer to a true 4 seater rather than a 2+2 if its based on the S90 concept, that car is massive.

Not a fan of the boot seats in the S, can't say I'd want my kids sitting that close to the rear glass even for short journeys:


I would hope most people needing more than 5 seats would be buying the X these days, so the S would end up being a closer competitor to the Polestar.
I hadn't realised the additional seats in the S faced backwards. We have an X, which I believe is the same floorpan as the S, yet the back row of seats quite happily fit facing forward plus a boot behind them. What an odd decision by Tesla.

SpeckledJim

23,538 posts

212 months

Saturday 12th May 2018
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Baldchap said:
I hadn't realised the additional seats in the S faced backwards. We have an X, which I believe is the same floorpan as the S, yet the back row of seats quite happily fit facing forward plus a boot behind them. What an odd decision by Tesla.
The fastback shape means they have to be rearward facing though.

B17NNS

18,506 posts

206 months

Wednesday 19th June 2019
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Pre-production drive here. Fine looking car.