RE: Polestar 1 available to pre-order now
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Looks the business, pity about the price tag.
On a vaguely relevant theme, I watched this review of the V90 T8 hybrid last night. They are a bit Bevais and Butthead unfortunately but they really liked the twin power delivery, seems to work extremely well.
https://youtu.be/Pp3-ckv2YOo
T8 is only 400bhp compared to this 600bhp car but this Polestar sounds promising. If you consider the T8 works so well (according to Bevais and Butthead anyway) and then add 200bhp, chop the back off, restyle it, remove a chunk of metal and replace with carbon fibre, redo the suspension and gearbox, I'd say this is going to be a pretty remarkable car.
Just a pity I'll never own one....
On a vaguely relevant theme, I watched this review of the V90 T8 hybrid last night. They are a bit Bevais and Butthead unfortunately but they really liked the twin power delivery, seems to work extremely well.
https://youtu.be/Pp3-ckv2YOo
T8 is only 400bhp compared to this 600bhp car but this Polestar sounds promising. If you consider the T8 works so well (according to Bevais and Butthead anyway) and then add 200bhp, chop the back off, restyle it, remove a chunk of metal and replace with carbon fibre, redo the suspension and gearbox, I'd say this is going to be a pretty remarkable car.
Just a pity I'll never own one....
SpeckledJim said:
Seems to me it's got a very ordinary Volvo engine, coupled to a standard-ish hybrid system. Volvo interior and dash. Volvo electrical architecture. Volvo drivetrain. Volvo styling and engineering.
All the above is available on umpteen Volvos for c.£30k. The extra oomph this thing has is additional, granted. That's what gets me to £50k.
How on earth do we get to >£100k, given that 90% of the car is so very deeply ordinary?
You could always read the article All the above is available on umpteen Volvos for c.£30k. The extra oomph this thing has is additional, granted. That's what gets me to £50k.
How on earth do we get to >£100k, given that 90% of the car is so very deeply ordinary?
SpeckledJim said:
Polrules said:
SpeckledJim said:
Seems to me it's got a very ordinary Volvo engine, coupled to a standard-ish hybrid system. Volvo interior and dash. Volvo electrical architecture. Volvo drivetrain. Volvo styling and engineering.
All the above is available on umpteen Volvos for c.£30k. The extra oomph this thing has is additional, granted. That's what gets me to £50k.
How on earth do we get to >£100k, given that 90% of the car is so very deeply ordinary?
Article suggests extensive use of carbon fibre to mitigate weight of powertrain - this will come at a price & likely explain the jump in cost.All the above is available on umpteen Volvos for c.£30k. The extra oomph this thing has is additional, granted. That's what gets me to £50k.
How on earth do we get to >£100k, given that 90% of the car is so very deeply ordinary?
Only yesterday I was having a discussion with a guy in the office. We work in software engineering, and it's quite common for someone to read a long article, but get stuck on a keyword at the beginning and then completely ignore the rest of the article. It doesn't matter what it says in the remainder.
Here we have another example of this in the 'wild'.
I really wish they’d made this as just a normal Volvo production model. It’s a gorgeous shape now forever wasted on a limited edition plaything, the problem being it’s not pretty enough to lust after it at £150k, where it’s competing with McLarens and new Vantage and so on. The powertrain is cool but honestly I’d have been happy with the same engine range as the rest of the Volvo models.
Given the price of the T8 S90 and T8 XC90, how anyone can expect this car to not cost at least somewhere in the region of what is stated in the article amazes me. Extra 200 bhp, loads of carbon, halo model and CHEAPER than the T8 S90, hmmm wonder why that won't happen.
Beautiful looking car. Hopefully the battery will have a longer range than my T8 XC90.
Beautiful looking car. Hopefully the battery will have a longer range than my T8 XC90.
stuartrav said:
Given the price of the T8 S90 and T8 XC90, how anyone can expect this car to not cost at least somewhere in the region of what is stated in the article amazes me. Extra 200 bhp, loads of carbon, halo model and CHEAPER than the T8 S90, hmmm wonder why that won't happen.
Beautiful looking car. Hopefully the battery will have a longer range than my T8 XC90.
I think most people are saying this should have just had a normal powertrain and construction, not that they want a carbon hybrid rocket ship for pennies. Beautiful looking car. Hopefully the battery will have a longer range than my T8 XC90.
Hands-up, I didn't read the article properly and made a wrong assumption. It's a more special car than I thought it was.
But it doesn't look a special car. It looks great, it's very smart indeed, but it still looks 'ordinary'. It's priced against Continental GT, S-Class Coupe, and AMG GT, while looking, inside and out, like an A5 competitor. I don't think that's going to win very many fans.
But it doesn't look a special car. It looks great, it's very smart indeed, but it still looks 'ordinary'. It's priced against Continental GT, S-Class Coupe, and AMG GT, while looking, inside and out, like an A5 competitor. I don't think that's going to win very many fans.
SpeckledJim said:
Hands-up, I didn't read the article properly and made a wrong assumption. It's a more special car than I thought it was.
But it doesn't look a special car. It looks great, it's very smart indeed, but it still looks 'ordinary'. It's priced against Continental GT, S-Class Coupe, and AMG GT, while looking, inside and out, like an A5 competitor. I don't think that's going to win very many fans.
It’s fine not to like it but there are many others who disagree. It’s a lovely piece of design that works very well and for me, is very welcome amongst the super safe S class coupe, Bmw 6, etc etc. To compare it to an a5 is bizarre as it’s much more than that. Not just as a design but as a concept in sales and support - something that Audi is not great at and could use improving.But it doesn't look a special car. It looks great, it's very smart indeed, but it still looks 'ordinary'. It's priced against Continental GT, S-Class Coupe, and AMG GT, while looking, inside and out, like an A5 competitor. I don't think that's going to win very many fans.
kambites said:
Because the people who are going to buy this £100k 600bhp GT would buy a little three-pot supermini if it didn't exist?
I've read above 3 times and it still doesn't make sense, not in relation to sparta6's post that you were trying to come up with a coherent on point sarcastic response to...tankplanker said:
think it'll end up being closer to a true 4 seater rather than a 2+2 if its based on the S90 concept, that car is massive.
Not a fan of the boot seats in the S, can't say I'd want my kids sitting that close to the rear glass even for short journeys:
I would hope most people needing more than 5 seats would be buying the X these days, so the S would end up being a closer competitor to the Polestar.
I hadn't realised the additional seats in the S faced backwards. We have an X, which I believe is the same floorpan as the S, yet the back row of seats quite happily fit facing forward plus a boot behind them. What an odd decision by Tesla. Not a fan of the boot seats in the S, can't say I'd want my kids sitting that close to the rear glass even for short journeys:
I would hope most people needing more than 5 seats would be buying the X these days, so the S would end up being a closer competitor to the Polestar.
Baldchap said:
I hadn't realised the additional seats in the S faced backwards. We have an X, which I believe is the same floorpan as the S, yet the back row of seats quite happily fit facing forward plus a boot behind them. What an odd decision by Tesla.
The fastback shape means they have to be rearward facing though.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff