Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)

Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)

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S11Steve

5,778 posts

139 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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Tim, going back to the comment about "the old days" , some of your shorter clips are also some of your most viewed - like the Aventador crash, and some of the early walkaround videos, which I guess have gone viral over time through sharing.

I know the current algo means that daily 10 minute uploads are the norm, but is there any merit in still doing some 2-3 minute clips alongside the usual 10 minute daily content? Would 2 uploads a day have a negative impact on your overall figures?

(and my Missus also wants to know where Ms_Ps IG page has gone!)


0a

22,064 posts

149 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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There seems to be a bit of a trend for starting second channels (eg Doug DeMuro). I understand that this allows the Youtuber to add content that his main audience might not like, to try out ideas and so on, but does it not risk 'splitting' the audience between the channels, impacting visibility on Youtube etc?

Thanks to Tim for answering questions on this thread - it's very interesting to hear a bit about how Vlogging actually works.

Truckosaurus

7,483 posts

239 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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S11Steve said:
... like the Aventador crash...
Would a similar video today get the same attention? I suspect not.

WarrenB

867 posts

73 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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Truckosaurus said:
Would a similar video today get the same attention? I suspect not.
I think nowadays there's that many people constantly filming (vertically) on their mobiles, a crash would probably be uploaded by a load of different people or even just uploaded to instagram stories or snapchat, so basically uploaded to the internet and lost in a sea of nothingness.

Truckosaurus

7,483 posts

239 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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WarrenB said:
I think nowadays there's that many people constantly filming (vertically) on their mobiles, a crash would probably be uploaded by a load of different people or even just uploaded to instagram stories or snapchat, so basically uploaded to the internet and lost in a sea of nothingness.
Exactly my point...

Beefmeister

15,736 posts

185 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Carfection’s Lambo vid. Just wonderful, they’re absolutely killing it at the moment.

https://youtu.be/1AWUqgZ_gJY

jon-

15,932 posts

171 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Tim, have you done much testing with youtube stories yet?

Youtube definitely have a "throw everything, see what sticks" approach at the moment.

The like to dislike ratio on this is outstanding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbJOTdZBX1g&fe...

ReaperCushions

3,967 posts

139 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Anyone watched Hoovies latest video on his newly acquired MP4-12C?

The warranty work on it is utterly jaw-dropping!!

Total triggers broom as well. Already on its second engine and soon to be 3rd gearbox. Remind me never to buy one.

jas xjr

11,309 posts

194 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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ReaperCushions said:
Anyone watched Hoovies latest video on his newly acquired MP4-12C?

The warranty work on it is utterly jaw-dropping!!

Total triggers broom as well. Already on its second engine and soon to be 3rd gearbox. Remind me never to buy one.
Is a similar warranty available in the UK?

SL22

133 posts

80 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Beefmeister said:
Carfection’s Lambo vid. Just wonderful, they’re absolutely killing it at the moment.

https://youtu.be/1AWUqgZ_gJY
Mega effort to even put together 2 minutes of video - was that 10 minute thing a while ago for the algorithms to allow more adverts still a thing now?

0a

22,064 posts

149 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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ReaperCushions said:
Anyone watched Hoovies latest video on his newly acquired MP4-12C?

The warranty work on it is utterly jaw-dropping!!

Total triggers broom as well. Already on its second engine and soon to be 3rd gearbox. Remind me never to buy one.
I would find it unacceptable for any car to have so many critical failures in such small mileage, whether a £500 barge or a £150k supercar. No wonder the last owner got rid. The trouble is that it sounds like early 12c design flaws rather than anything you can actually prevent happening.

Great YouTube content though. It would probably best for McLaren to buy the car off him and crush it, rather than paying out in repairs for the lack of reliability to feature on a YouTube channel with good reach.

bazza white

2,721 posts

83 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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TGE and Archies latest video is a bit cringe

https://www.facebook.com/518766179/posts/101569844...

Beefmeister

15,736 posts

185 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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bazza white said:
TGE and Archies latest video is a bit cringe

https://www.facebook.com/518766179/posts/101569844...
rofl

bazza white

2,721 posts

83 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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SL22 said:
Beefmeister said:
Carfection’s Lambo vid. Just wonderful, they’re absolutely killing it at the moment.

https://youtu.be/1AWUqgZ_gJY
Mega effort to even put together 2 minutes of video - was that 10 minute thing a while ago for the algorithms to allow more adverts still a thing now?


Non car vloggers cinematics are getting amazing, even small channels have amazing cinematography and editing, car vloggers seem to be lagging behind.

Shmee

7,502 posts

168 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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S11Steve said:
Tim, going back to the comment about "the old days" , some of your shorter clips are also some of your most viewed - like the Aventador crash, and some of the early walkaround videos, which I guess have gone viral over time through sharing.

I know the current algo means that daily 10 minute uploads are the norm, but is there any merit in still doing some 2-3 minute clips alongside the usual 10 minute daily content? Would 2 uploads a day have a negative impact on your overall figures?

(and my Missus also wants to know where Ms_Ps IG page has gone!)
The biggest factor in getting a video a lot of views is how long it has been live while still also being current. For example an early video of an Aventador has had 6-7 years potentially being exposed to search traffic and of interest whereas something uploaded now has a lot of catching up to do. There is also definitely less virality to longer form content, although more retention is the key driver to YouTube's algorithms - and importantly, to earnings.

Myself and others have tried occasional shorter videos and I've immediately seen the issues it causes in that because the cumulative retention time is so low, the algorithms actually punish you. Sometimes I wish I could edit together something that's nicely made as we've just seen with the Performante video from Carfection, but sadly as amazing as that is and for a niche audience it's the ultimate content, it just isn't creating the right content for the platform, in this case YouTube and its mass audience.

Please thank your Missus for following although sadly a decision was made to remove the page due to the distractions from the real world and actual work!

jon- said:
Tim, have you done much testing with youtube stories yet?

Youtube definitely have a "throw everything, see what sticks" approach at the moment.

The like to dislike ratio on this is outstanding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbJOTdZBX1g&fe...
I've not tested stories yet, but you're right it does seem almost a little too overkill with the amount of new features arriving on the scene. Let's just hope that they don't go ahead and break things like the old days...

The response to the annual Rewind is quite amazing, I'm a bit perplexed to be honest!

bazza white said:
SL22 said:
Beefmeister said:
Carfection’s Lambo vid. Just wonderful, they’re absolutely killing it at the moment.

https://youtu.be/1AWUqgZ_gJY
Mega effort to even put together 2 minutes of video - was that 10 minute thing a while ago for the algorithms to allow more adverts still a thing now?


Non car vloggers cinematics are getting amazing, even small channels have amazing cinematography and editing, car vloggers seem to be lagging behind.
What you have to remember is that YouTube isn't the platform for high production quality content; as has been proven by Chris Harris, car magazines, and content pieces like this.

While you and I truly enjoy watching that kind of content, unfortunately we are a niche and do not represent the majority of the audience who much more prefer to watch a longer form piece through which they can be engaged and relate - something that's totally lost when the camera quality goes beyond how they could produce it themselves. It's a strange phenomenon but for example my content is all tailored to be as effective as possible on YouTube, whereas for example I'd love to go on more road trips and tours, driving mountain passes with cinematic angles, unfortunately that's never going to succeed and ultimately this is a business.

You can see it across many genres, success on YouTube is not linked to film quality.

e30m3Mark

13,459 posts

128 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Beefmeister said:
bazza white said:
TGE and Archies latest video is a bit cringe

https://www.facebook.com/518766179/posts/101569844...
rofl
So the rumours about the LLF collaboration were true!

Beefmeister

15,736 posts

185 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Had Paul Wallace on our podcast on Wed. Asked a few of the questions you guys posted on here and Paul was really very open and honest, I genuinely think it’s an interesting listen.

I can’t even mention the channel name (last post did that and it got removed) so erm, search the entirety of the internet and I’m sure you’ll find it.

fridaypassion

4,951 posts

183 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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That's poor form. How come the forums are moderated with the efficiency that the "other side" ran their POW camps in the war but yet the classifieds are full of scam ads? I don't get that.

jeremyc

18,382 posts

239 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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fridaypassion said:
That's poor form. How come the forums are moderated with the efficiency that the "other side" ran their POW camps in the war but yet the classifieds are full of scam ads? I don't get that.
Have you reported these scam ads that the classifieds are "full" of?

There's a report button on each advert.

TheAngryDog

10,151 posts

164 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Is article 13 going to have any impact on you YouTubers if it is passed?
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