Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)

Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)

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DannyScene

5,123 posts

93 months

Wednesday 16th January
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mehmehmeh said:
I find it wierd that McLaren went to such great lengths to stop Salo buying a Senna, then when he finally bought one it magically burst into flames.

Almost like they predicted that.

Which would mean it isn't an accident. Maybe he has a rep?

As for Tim Schmee you should do yourself a favor and cancel the Z4 and buy a low mileage, manual, Mk4 supra TT with some sensible modifications. Great cars.
This seems a bit tinfoil hat brigade to me, McLaren somehow knew that if he get one it would burst into flames so refused to sell him one?

Other than not allocating him one what other great lengths did they go to?

ashleyman

4,989 posts

37 months

Wednesday 16th January
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e46m3Mark said:
ashleyman said:
Here’s the podcast video link: https://youtu.be/iA32sFYBANw

Let’s see if this gets deleted or not.
My understanding (which I concede could well be wrong) is that the problem arises with self promotion. If I say “I’ve made a video and it’s great”, closely followed by “Did I tell you I’ve made a great video? I’d post a link but it’s not allowed wink “ , then quote said link when someone else kindly posts it. Should we really be all that surprised when the mods remove it? smile
See my post from the other thread about the sale:

thegreenhell said:
ashleyman said:
Interestingly this part could spell an end to sharing video clips in the YouTube threads, Vlogger, Bad driving threads etc... as we don't own that content.

PH said:
you own and/or control all of the rights to the Content that you post or otherwise distribute, or you otherwise have the lawful right to post and distribute such Content to or through the Site, and to grant the licenses granted herein;
Is that not covered by Youtube's T&C, in that they allow you to link to their content from external sites? The whole internet would die if you could only post stuff that you actually legally owned the physical rights to publish.
Youtube Terms Rights You License said:
to each user of the Service, a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free licence to access your Content through the Service, and to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display and perform such Content to the extent permitted by the functionality of the Service and under these Terms.
So yes, YouTube give you the license to distribute and share the content. However, YouTube do not give you a license to agree to the PistonHeads T&C that says:

PH said:
you own and/or control all of the rights to the Content that you post or otherwise distribute, or you otherwise have the lawful right to post and distribute such Content to or through the Site, and to grant the licenses granted herein;
On the licensing issue, YouTube also say:

YouTube said:
Point 5.1M You shall not copy, reproduce, distribute, transmit, broadcast, display, sell, license, or otherwise exploit any Content for any other purposes without the prior written consent of YouTube or the respective licensors of the Content.
So, yes we can share videos, yes YouTube allow this, but technically NOT to PH as we don't have the right to grant PH the license they require in their T&C.






So, thats a bit different as per the rules you can't self promote by posting video links BUT it now also seems like we can't post videos made by other people as that also violates the rules.

As to why Beefs post was deleted, weird but he didn't post the link, he commented on it. He did not email me.

I have posted the link to the same video and now 24 hours later, it's still up which makes it at the very least inconsistent.

Edited by ashleyman on Wednesday 16th January 17:22

ashleyman

4,989 posts

37 months

Wednesday 16th January
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fridaypassion said:
Do car gurus fund a youtube channel? I'm failing to see what damage posting youtube links has? Posting links to autotrader adverts would surely be more damaging?

The passing around of youtube content is vital on this and many forums. Imagine never hearing about the new Binky or Megane rollover crash at the ring?
Yes. CarGuru have a YouTube channel. I'd imagine any review, impressions, driving videos from people who are looking to sell or review cars will be deemed competition.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC90ZigN9H_k5hEbZ3...

Edited by ashleyman on Wednesday 16th January 17:23

MikeGoodwin

1,393 posts

55 months

Wednesday 16th January
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ReaperCushions said:
Interesting times when Shmee can get a Ford GT, Senna and now a Supra within 3 weeks of each other and these two throbbers have to combine to get a new Jimny.

The gulf is widening by the day.
'Tis the world we live in now. Capitalism, where people who work hard reap the rewards and the losers do nothing but moan about it.

It is a bit ridiculous though, really. The money gap thing. Doesnt seem sustainable.

Still, I bet TGE are having a right laugh with that Jimny.

e46m3Mark

12,050 posts

111 months

Wednesday 16th January
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We all know / knew posting links to our own videos isn’t / wasn’t allowed. It’s as simple as that.
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ashleyman

4,989 posts

37 months

Wednesday 16th January
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e46m3Mark said:
We all know / knew posting links to our own videos isn’t / wasn’t allowed. It’s as simple as that.
Read the posts again more carefully.

It's now NOT ALLOWED to post links to videos that you DO NOT OWN. So now you can't post your own videos or other peoples videos.

It's as simple as that.

Shmee

7,127 posts

151 months

Wednesday 16th January
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ashleyman said:
Lots of stuff about licencing
One comment on this from me, it all refers to distribution of the content, which in online terms usually means downloading and re-uploading - so if you took an image and uploaded it in this thread that you didn't own.

YouTube's T&Cs section refers to exactly this, not the use of the direct URL to hotlink back to the content.

Shmee

7,127 posts

151 months

Wednesday 16th January
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carparkno1 said:
Hi Tim - would be great to see you explore the engine in the Supra vs other BMWs the B58 sits in, i.e the 440i, 240i & Z4 - it seems to sit in various states of tune for touring / hatch / sports models, with different exhaust notes and setups.
mehmehmeh said:
As for Tim Schmee you should do yourself a favor and cancel the Z4 and buy a low mileage, manual, Mk4 supra TT with some sensible modifications. Great cars.
I'm just going to quote this because it's completely apt in this situation:

RobDown said:
It's the same old rule of thumb - what we like on PH is not what the 'audience' likes (and vice versa). cf Tim's Mille Miglia video which we all loved but the audience didn't take to

The best thing for Tim to do is to ask us what we'd like to see in upcoming videos and then scratch those ideas biggrin
Unfortunately in the cases of both the comparison of BMW engines, and an old Supra over a new one; neither would be particularly YouTube appropriate pieces of content. There is a home for that kind of video, but it isn't on my channel or really on YouTube as a platform because they would both be much more niche and have smaller potential audiences.

ashleyman

4,989 posts

37 months

Wednesday 16th January
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Shmee said:
ashleyman said:
Lots of stuff about licencing
One comment on this from me, it all refers to distribution of the content, which in online terms usually means downloading and re-uploading - so if you took an image and uploaded it in this thread that you didn't own.

YouTube's T&Cs section refers to exactly this, not the use of the direct URL to hotlink back to the content.
PistonHeads new terms say that you as the poster grant PistonHeads a license to use the content however they see fit in any medium in perpetuity.

YouTube don't grant users the right to license content posted to Youtube to others, they only give permission to watch, distribute and share content.
So yes, YouTube say it's fine to link videos but not license them to others, but by linking videos on Pistonheads you're granting a license that you're not entitled to grant.

Shmee

7,127 posts

151 months

Wednesday 16th January
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ashleyman said:
PistonHeads new terms say that you as the poster grant PistonHeads a license to use the content however they see fit in any medium in perpetuity.

YouTube don't grant users the right to license content posted to Youtube to others, they only give permission to watch, distribute and share content.
So yes, YouTube say it's fine to link videos but not license them to others, but by linking videos on Pistonheads you're granting a license that you're not entitled to grant.
A URL to a page on YouTube is not ownership of the content.

ashleyman

4,989 posts

37 months

Wednesday 16th January
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Shmee said:
ashleyman said:
PistonHeads new terms say that you as the poster grant PistonHeads a license to use the content however they see fit in any medium in perpetuity.

YouTube don't grant users the right to license content posted to Youtube to others, they only give permission to watch, distribute and share content.
So yes, YouTube say it's fine to link videos but not license them to others, but by linking videos on Pistonheads you're granting a license that you're not entitled to grant.
A URL to a page on YouTube is not ownership of the content.
You might want to read the other thread and familiarise yourself with the new terms.

I agree with you. But I think PH sees it differently.

pincher

5,416 posts

155 months

Wednesday 16th January
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Beefmeister said:
pincher said:
So let me get this straight - Beefy isn’t allowed to post his own video or even mention the fact that he has a new one out but he can email a trusted PH’er with a link and comment (the same comment that he might have posted himself) and that person just copies and pastes from the email into a new post and that’s OK?

Give me strength rolleyes This place makes you laugh sometimes.
I did not email ashleyman. I did speak with Steve after the posts were removed (and i'll admit i did suggest he repost, but he said no).

So let's not go around making accusations please.
Mate, I wasn’t making accusations - I was just pointing out how easy it would be to circumvent the no linking rule and that if it was done that way, the PH would be absolutely fine with it.

Not suggesting for a second that is what you did - that never occurred to me beer

Just trying to highlight the ridiculousness of the situation smile

Edited by pincher on Wednesday 16th January 18:23

Shmee

7,127 posts

151 months

Wednesday 16th January
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ashleyman said:
You might want to read the other thread and familiarise yourself with the new terms.

I agree with you. But I think PH sees it differently.
I'm not sure PH has a legal leg to stand on, a 3rd party sharing a link does not make them or anybody else the owner of that web page (including URL, logo, font, graphics, and all content on the page in addition to the video itself).

If it worked that way, then Facebook, Twitter et-al would be very much more complicated places than they already are.

Is the result of this that you basically cannot share a link to anything anywhere? If that page you link to has a logo on it or anything like that then it's not something you can give the copyright to.

e46m3Mark

12,050 posts

111 months

Wednesday 16th January
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ashleyman said:
e46m3Mark said:
We all know / knew posting links to our own videos isn’t / wasn’t allowed. It’s as simple as that.
Read the posts again more carefully.

It's now NOT ALLOWED to post links to videos that you DO NOT OWN. So now you can't post your own videos or other peoples videos.

It's as simple as that.
Have any links been deleted, other than those that relate to self promotion?

Beefmeister

15,071 posts

168 months

Wednesday 16th January
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pincher said:
Mate, I wasn’t making accusations - I was just pointing out how easy it would be to circumvent the no linking rule and that if it was done that way, the PH would be absolutely fine with it.

Not suggesting for a second that is what you did - that never occurred to me beer

Just trying to highlight the ridiculousness of the situation beer
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Big Al.

Original Poster:

60,287 posts

196 months

Wednesday 16th January
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e46m3Mark said:
Have any links been deleted, other than those that relate to self promotion?
The situation about posting links is outlined in our Rule of Posting No.12e that states the following:-

"Do not create threads/posts about your own personal websites, blogs, social media channels or video hosting sites such as YouTube. This will be deemed as advertising and/or endeavouring to drive traffic to external sites from PistonHeads."

Hope that clarifies.

S11Steve

4,955 posts

122 months

Wednesday 16th January
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Big Al. said:
The situation about posting links is outlined in our Rule of Posting No.12e that states the following:-

"Do not create threads/posts about your own personal websites, blogs, social media channels or video hosting sites such as YouTube. This will be deemed as advertising and/or endeavouring to drive traffic to external sites from PistonHeads."

Hope that clarifies.
It wasn't my YouTube channel/video that I linked to in my post that was deleted, but point noted.

ashleyman

4,989 posts

37 months

Wednesday 16th January
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e46m3Mark said:
ashleyman said:
e46m3Mark said:
We all know / knew posting links to our own videos isn’t / wasn’t allowed. It’s as simple as that.
Read the posts again more carefully.

It's now NOT ALLOWED to post links to videos that you DO NOT OWN. So now you can't post your own videos or other peoples videos.

It's as simple as that.
Have any links been deleted, other than those that relate to self promotion?
Yes. The original post by S11Steve linking to a video that was NOT his.

e46m3Mark

12,050 posts

111 months

Wednesday 16th January
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Big Al. said:
e46m3Mark said:
Have any links been deleted, other than those that relate to self promotion?
The situation about posting links is outlined in our Rule of Posting No.12e that states the following:-

"Do not create threads/posts about your own personal websites, blogs, social media channels or video hosting sites such as YouTube. This will be deemed as advertising and/or endeavouring to drive traffic to external sites from PistonHeads."

Hope that clarifies.
yes

ashleyman

4,989 posts

37 months

Wednesday 16th January
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Shmee said:
ashleyman said:
You might want to read the other thread and familiarise yourself with the new terms.

I agree with you. But I think PH sees it differently.
I'm not sure PH has a legal leg to stand on, a 3rd party sharing a link does not make them or anybody else the owner of that web page (including URL, logo, font, graphics, and all content on the page in addition to the video itself).

If it worked that way, then Facebook, Twitter et-al would be very much more complicated places than they already are.

Is the result of this that you basically cannot share a link to anything anywhere? If that page you link to has a logo on it or anything like that then it's not something you can give the copyright to.
They don’t. But YouTube grant you permission to do certain things and PistonHeads expects you to be in a position to grant a specific license. The 2 don’t work together and even though Big Al. has commented the issue isn’t with the rules. It’s with the terms and conditions of the site.

It’s moot arguing. Fact is. Someone posted a link to a YouTube video that did not break rules but didn’t conform to T&C and it was removed.