Mercedes using Renault engines
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https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/new-mercedes-cla...
Will no doubt start a debate, but goes to show Renault isn't as unreliable as some make out
Will no doubt start a debate, but goes to show Renault isn't as unreliable as some make out
Not sure they are using Renault engines wholesale. AIUI they are in some kind of development partnership (like a lot of other OEMs these days) on this engine. You can expect the Merc version to have some fancier hardware and different calibrations to the version that ends up in Renault cars.
The new Smart Forfour is built in the same Renault plant as the Renault Twingo.
The Smart Fortwo is still made in the plant in Hambach, France and has been since the Smart was introduced in 1998.This car also has the same Renault engine as the Forfour.
ALL new Smarts made since 2015 have a 3 cylinder Renault engine in them
The Smart Fortwo is still made in the plant in Hambach, France and has been since the Smart was introduced in 1998.This car also has the same Renault engine as the Forfour.
ALL new Smarts made since 2015 have a 3 cylinder Renault engine in them
Otispunkmeyer said:
Not sure they are using Renault engines wholesale
Yeh, they really are built by Renault and just shipped complete to Merc, and have been for about 6 years.The 1.5 K9K in the Lodgy/Megane/Scenic/Kadjar is the exact same thing as the OM607 in the A/B/CLA/Citan and Infiniti Q30 (which is on the A-class platform). That K-type engine was first seen in the Mk1 Laguna and (diesel) in the Mk2 Clio, but traces its basic design back through the Energy in the R19 to the Cleon-Fonte in the Floride and Caravelle in the early 60s.
Then there's the R9R/OM622 1.6 in the C and Vito, also in the Scenic/Qashqai/Fluence. At least that's a new design...
And don't forget they're rebadging the Renault Kangoo to the Merc Citan, as well as the Navara to the X-class and Renault Alaskan. Then there's the Smart/Twingo.
Merc and Renault are very, very firmly in bed.
TooMany2cvs said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
Not sure they are using Renault engines wholesale
Yeh, they really are built by Renault and just shipped complete to Merc, and have been for about 6 years.The 1.5 K9K in the Lodgy/Megane/Scenic/Kadjar is the exact same thing as the OM607 in the A/B/CLA/Citan and Infiniti Q30 (which is on the A-class platform). That K-type engine was first seen in the Mk1 Laguna and (diesel) in the Mk2 Clio, but traces its basic design back through the Energy in the R19 to the Cleon-Fonte in the Floride and Caravelle in the early 60s.
Then there's the R9R/OM622 1.6 in the C and Vito, also in the Scenic/Qashqai/Fluence. At least that's a new design...
And don't forget they're rebadging the Renault Kangoo to the Merc Citan, as well as the Navara to the X-class and Renault Alaskan. Then there's the Smart/Twingo.
Merc and Renault are very, very firmly in bed.
Renault-Nissan do confuse me with this engine. I thought the 1.6 dCi was supposed to be the one going forward, but they still have this 1.5 liter, 8-valve engine in a lot of new stuff as well. We have a 2017 Scenic here and its got a 48V mild-hybrid system bolted to the 1.5 K9K under the bonnet.
Richard-390a0 said:
A couple of other Merc 'shares' for you - the Sprinter & VW Crafter share the same body shell & the VW VR6 lump could be found in the V-Class / Vito people carrier back in the day too. & some Mitsubishi sourced engines were used also.
The new Crafter is VW's own design though which leaves Merc a bit out on a limb with the Sprinter, so I wouldn't be surprised if the next Sprinter and Renault Master share parts if not design - given that the Renault will no longer be sold as an Opel/Vauxhall.Capitalc said:
https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/new-mercedes-cla...
Will no doubt start a debate, but goes to show Renault isn't as unreliable as some make out
or that mercedes arent any more reliable than a renault, user data suggests both arent great. Will no doubt start a debate, but goes to show Renault isn't as unreliable as some make out
in fairness, the engine is only one key sub system in a car, how the whole package is integrated, validated and assembled will be very significant. in principle however, like many i begrudge paying a mercedes premium for renault hardware. renault interiors are pretty decent these days. mercedes and the car market in general are very different to what they were 25+ years ago. MB sell a shed load more cars and ultimately thats all that matters to them. most people dont know or care who made the engine. id be surprised if less than 90% of A class buyers know or care. As you go up the range i think the % of informed buyers will increase.
TooMany2cvs said:
Yeh, they really are built by Renault and just shipped complete to Merc, and have been for about 6 years.
The 1.5 K9K in the Lodgy/Megane/Scenic/Kadjar is the exact same thing as the OM607 in the A/B/CLA/Citan and Infiniti Q30 (which is on the A-class platform). That K-type engine was first seen in the Mk1 Laguna and (diesel) in the Mk2 Clio, but traces its basic design back through the Energy in the R19 to the Cleon-Fonte in the Floride and Caravelle in the early 60s.
Then there's the R9R/OM622 1.6 in the C and Vito, also in the Scenic/Qashqai/Fluence. At least that's a new design...
And don't forget they're rebadging the Renault Kangoo to the Merc Citan, as well as the Navara to the X-class and Renault Alaskan. Then there's the Smart/Twingo.
Merc and Renault are very, very firmly in bed.
The Renault DCI is also being used in the C200d now as well !.The 1.5 K9K in the Lodgy/Megane/Scenic/Kadjar is the exact same thing as the OM607 in the A/B/CLA/Citan and Infiniti Q30 (which is on the A-class platform). That K-type engine was first seen in the Mk1 Laguna and (diesel) in the Mk2 Clio, but traces its basic design back through the Energy in the R19 to the Cleon-Fonte in the Floride and Caravelle in the early 60s.
Then there's the R9R/OM622 1.6 in the C and Vito, also in the Scenic/Qashqai/Fluence. At least that's a new design...
And don't forget they're rebadging the Renault Kangoo to the Merc Citan, as well as the Navara to the X-class and Renault Alaskan. Then there's the Smart/Twingo.
Merc and Renault are very, very firmly in bed.
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