Mercedes using Renault engines

Mercedes using Renault engines

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Capitalc

Original Poster:

6 posts

43 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/new-mercedes-cla...

Will no doubt start a debate, but goes to show Renault isn't as unreliable as some make out

Rawwr

22,722 posts

203 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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Haven't they been using the 1.5 diesel thing for quite some time now?

Shiv_P

2,237 posts

74 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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Rawwr said:
Haven't they been using the 1.5 diesel thing for quite some time now?
Yup

Capitalc

Original Poster:

6 posts

43 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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I hang my head in shame..why does everyone knock them then?

Otispunkmeyer

11,332 posts

124 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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Not sure they are using Renault engines wholesale. AIUI they are in some kind of development partnership (like a lot of other OEMs these days) on this engine. You can expect the Merc version to have some fancier hardware and different calibrations to the version that ends up in Renault cars.


HTP99

18,614 posts

109 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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The new 1.3 TCe petrol engine is being jointly developed between Daimler and Renault too.

The Mercedes Citan is a Kangoo with a Mercedes badge and grille, the Smart car is a Twingo and I believe the new Vito is the Trafic platform and the 1.6 dCi is used in it too.

normalbloke

4,894 posts

188 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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Likewise, the 'new' X class pickup is the Renault built Navara....

Edited by normalbloke on Wednesday 9th May 17:25

datum77

470 posts

90 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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The new Smart Forfour is built in the same Renault plant as the Renault Twingo.

The Smart Fortwo is still made in the plant in Hambach, France and has been since the Smart was introduced in 1998.This car also has the same Renault engine as the Forfour.

ALL new Smarts made since 2015 have a 3 cylinder Renault engine in them

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

95 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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Otispunkmeyer said:
Not sure they are using Renault engines wholesale
Yeh, they really are built by Renault and just shipped complete to Merc, and have been for about 6 years.

The 1.5 K9K in the Lodgy/Megane/Scenic/Kadjar is the exact same thing as the OM607 in the A/B/CLA/Citan and Infiniti Q30 (which is on the A-class platform). That K-type engine was first seen in the Mk1 Laguna and (diesel) in the Mk2 Clio, but traces its basic design back through the Energy in the R19 to the Cleon-Fonte in the Floride and Caravelle in the early 60s.

Then there's the R9R/OM622 1.6 in the C and Vito, also in the Scenic/Qashqai/Fluence. At least that's a new design...

And don't forget they're rebadging the Renault Kangoo to the Merc Citan, as well as the Navara to the X-class and Renault Alaskan. Then there's the Smart/Twingo.

Merc and Renault are very, very firmly in bed.

Richard-390a0

1,092 posts

60 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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A couple of other Merc 'shares' for you - the Sprinter & VW Crafter share the same body shell & the VW VR6 lump could be found in the V-Class / Vito people carrier back in the day too. & some Mitsubishi sourced engines were used also.

Otispunkmeyer

11,332 posts

124 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
Not sure they are using Renault engines wholesale
Yeh, they really are built by Renault and just shipped complete to Merc, and have been for about 6 years.

The 1.5 K9K in the Lodgy/Megane/Scenic/Kadjar is the exact same thing as the OM607 in the A/B/CLA/Citan and Infiniti Q30 (which is on the A-class platform). That K-type engine was first seen in the Mk1 Laguna and (diesel) in the Mk2 Clio, but traces its basic design back through the Energy in the R19 to the Cleon-Fonte in the Floride and Caravelle in the early 60s.

Then there's the R9R/OM622 1.6 in the C and Vito, also in the Scenic/Qashqai/Fluence. At least that's a new design...

And don't forget they're rebadging the Renault Kangoo to the Merc Citan, as well as the Navara to the X-class and Renault Alaskan. Then there's the Smart/Twingo.

Merc and Renault are very, very firmly in bed.
It will have their own cals in the ECU though and will have done their own dyno work on the engine. As the story states, the new engine has a little more power than the ones you'll find in a Renault.

Renault-Nissan do confuse me with this engine. I thought the 1.6 dCi was supposed to be the one going forward, but they still have this 1.5 liter, 8-valve engine in a lot of new stuff as well. We have a 2017 Scenic here and its got a 48V mild-hybrid system bolted to the 1.5 K9K under the bonnet.

yellowbentines

4,632 posts

176 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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Richard-390a0 said:
A couple of other Merc 'shares' for you - the Sprinter & VW Crafter share the same body shell....
I think the Sprinters are shipped back to Merc to have the special 'rapid rust enhancer' coating applied though.

king arthur

4,505 posts

230 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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Richard-390a0 said:
A couple of other Merc 'shares' for you - the Sprinter & VW Crafter share the same body shell & the VW VR6 lump could be found in the V-Class / Vito people carrier back in the day too. & some Mitsubishi sourced engines were used also.
The new Crafter is VW's own design though which leaves Merc a bit out on a limb with the Sprinter, so I wouldn't be surprised if the next Sprinter and Renault Master share parts if not design - given that the Renault will no longer be sold as an Opel/Vauxhall.

Jag_NE

2,577 posts

69 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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Capitalc said:
https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/new-mercedes-cla...

Will no doubt start a debate, but goes to show Renault isn't as unreliable as some make out
or that mercedes arent any more reliable than a renault, user data suggests both arent great.

in fairness, the engine is only one key sub system in a car, how the whole package is integrated, validated and assembled will be very significant. in principle however, like many i begrudge paying a mercedes premium for renault hardware. renault interiors are pretty decent these days. mercedes and the car market in general are very different to what they were 25+ years ago. MB sell a shed load more cars and ultimately thats all that matters to them. most people dont know or care who made the engine. id be surprised if less than 90% of A class buyers know or care. As you go up the range i think the % of informed buyers will increase.

bimsb6

7,568 posts

190 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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Some mercs are built in south africa .

Saabaholic

250 posts

125 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:
Yeh, they really are built by Renault and just shipped complete to Merc, and have been for about 6 years.

The 1.5 K9K in the Lodgy/Megane/Scenic/Kadjar is the exact same thing as the OM607 in the A/B/CLA/Citan and Infiniti Q30 (which is on the A-class platform). That K-type engine was first seen in the Mk1 Laguna and (diesel) in the Mk2 Clio, but traces its basic design back through the Energy in the R19 to the Cleon-Fonte in the Floride and Caravelle in the early 60s.

Then there's the R9R/OM622 1.6 in the C and Vito, also in the Scenic/Qashqai/Fluence. At least that's a new design...

And don't forget they're rebadging the Renault Kangoo to the Merc Citan, as well as the Navara to the X-class and Renault Alaskan. Then there's the Smart/Twingo.

Merc and Renault are very, very firmly in bed.
The Renault DCI is also being used in the C200d now as well !.

Denis O

2,107 posts

212 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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My understanding is my 1.5Dci Duster is used in the A Class. I hope so coz come October it'll be having a new cambelt, at my local Merc dealer.

Why have a Duster serviced by a Merc Main Dealer you ask. It's a long story but Greece is an odd place, suffice to say.

lord trumpton

5,931 posts

95 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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BMW Mini used a Peugeot/BMW designed engine.

McLaren F1 use Renault engines

They are all at it - the bds wink

BricktopST205

658 posts

103 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Renault are the third (Will soon become second behind Ferrari) most successful engine supplier in F1 history. Make of that what you will.

Thesprucegoose

29,890 posts

164 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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A lot off the bat would say I would never buy french yet they inadvertently have. It is funny really all the lease mercs powered by a Frenchie. Works well for both though.