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ian316

940 posts

51 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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SpeckledJim said:
ian316 said:
SpeckledJim said:
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The Ad says it has had a cheapo respray - they couldn't even be bothered to mask the handles off!
Sugar. OK, do not want.
It's one screw to take the handles off some ebay ones and 30 minutes problem solved, although if the sprayer wasn't a cock it wouldn't need doing
Granted, but I think a respray so slapdash that they didn't mask off the handles (much less remove them) will be horrible in twenty different ways. Better to spend a couple of grand on a nicer car, IMO.
Exactly the point I was making, I dread to think what other overspray areas there are

harrykul

2,395 posts

172 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Another vote for CrossClimate here: just fitted them to our s500.

JOB2.5-16

241 posts

18 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Rubins4 said:
Any recommendations for new tyres on a non-sporty variant of a 190E?

I want exceptional ride-comfort (obviously), quietness and longevity, decent all-year grip, but 'handling' characteristics can take a back seat. Naturally, I want to pay next to nothing. Tyre size, from memory - 185 / 65 / 15. I'll be going for all 5.

I've had various 'budget tyres' (as Kwik-Sh*t insist on calling them), such as Falken & Toyo and been perfectly happy so the premium brands are not a requirement. What they classify Ling-Longs, I don't know.

Thanks in advance.

Edited by Rubins4 on Friday 7th December 11:24
Budget tyres should be fitted under any circumstances in my opinion. The rubber compounds and tread patterns are not up to the standard of Continental, Michelin, Dunlop and the like. In all of my experience driving old Merc's - they are noticeably smoother, grippier, quieter and more pleasant to drive on the best rubber. For example, my 2.5-16 is currently fitted with the Toyo Proxes R's it had on when I bought it. They've done less than 2000 miles and are as new in terms of tread. They're going in the bin next spring. It makes more road noise and doesn't grip as well as my ex 2.0 did on skinnier Continentals. The difference is pretty mind-blowing on a dry road, and then drive in the wet... Continental tyres are excellent in the wet and in my opinion make the best Summer Tyres available for these cars. At under £60 per corner (fitted) they're cheap as chips, and I cant see any argument against fitting them.

My course of action with almost any old car I have is powder coat the wheels and replace the tyres. I like to fit 'to the data card', which is why I have put Michelins on my 300CE. I decided on CrossClimates because of the rave reviews and the fact that they were the same price as summer Michelins - I've done about 1500 miles on them so far and am blown away by their performance in wet, dry and cold weather. If they're as good as they have been so far in snow, I don't think I'll ever fit anything else to a daily Benz again. The Cosworth will be getting Continentals in the spring and I'll stick to P Zeros on the Porsche.

ian316

940 posts

51 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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JOB2.5-16 said:
Rubins4 said:
Any recommendations for new tyres on a non-sporty variant of a 190E?

I want exceptional ride-comfort (obviously), quietness and longevity, decent all-year grip, but 'handling' characteristics can take a back seat. Naturally, I want to pay next to nothing. Tyre size, from memory - 185 / 65 / 15. I'll be going for all 5.

I've had various 'budget tyres' (as Kwik-Sh*t insist on calling them), such as Falken & Toyo and been perfectly happy so the premium brands are not a requirement. What they classify Ling-Longs, I don't know.

Thanks in advance.

Edited by Rubins4 on Friday 7th December 11:24
Budget tyres should be fitted under any circumstances in my opinion. The rubber compounds and tread patterns are not up to the standard of Continental, Michelin, Dunlop and the like. In all of my experience driving old Merc's - they are noticeably smoother, grippier, quieter and more pleasant to drive on the best rubber. For example, my 2.5-16 is currently fitted with the Toyo Proxes R's it had on when I bought it. They've done less than 2000 miles and are as new in terms of tread. They're going in the bin next spring. It makes more road noise and doesn't grip as well as my ex 2.0 did on skinnier Continentals. The difference is pretty mind-blowing on a dry road, and then drive in the wet... Continental tyres are excellent in the wet and in my opinion make the best Summer Tyres available for these cars. At under £60 per corner (fitted) they're cheap as chips, and I cant see any argument against fitting them.

My course of action with almost any old car I have is powder coat the wheels and replace the tyres. I like to fit 'to the data card', which is why I have put Michelins on my 300CE. I decided on CrossClimates because of the rave reviews and the fact that they were the same price as summer Michelins - I've done about 1500 miles on them so far and am blown away by their performance in wet, dry and cold weather. If they're as good as they have been so far in snow, I don't think I'll ever fit anything else to a daily Benz again. The Cosworth will be getting Continentals in the spring and I'll stick to P Zeros on the Porsche.
Well knowing where JOB lives if he turns left out of his place in winter that's a recommendation

JOB2.5-16

241 posts

18 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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ian316 said:
Well knowing where JOB lives if he turns left out of his place in winter that's a recommendation
Every morning...

r129sl

8,076 posts

149 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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I'm looking forward to testing the CrossClimates fitted to my E430 come the snow. However, the Continental winter tyres on my 190 and w124 have been superb, and less than £50 each:




Geekman

2,331 posts

92 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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I was having a discussion with a few people on another forum about all season tyres: I fitted a set of Continental Cross Contacts to my shed as they were ridiculously cheap, and I'm incredibly impressed with them. Most people disagreed with me and said that they were simply compromised in all conditions (jack of all trades, master of none, etc) which logically, makes sense, but that hasn't been my experience at all. I drive on a lot of dirt tracks and muddy tarmac and their grip is better than anything else I've tried, including all the fancy premium summer ones, and they seem totally uncompromised on the road in any conditions. I can imagine they might not be as good as a Michelin PS4 flat out on a dry, twisty road but as my shed takes 60 profiles anyway, it's never going to be the last word in sportiness.

Prinny

1,257 posts

45 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Calling the Northern Barge threadists...

Ian316 suggested Jedburgh, but we’ve not done anything since by way of confirmation. It’s been a long time since I was in the area, so can’t suggest a good meeting spot on my own. (I know Ian said somewhere near the abbey). Suggestions?

https://doodle.com/poll/4d2k8p6gga9ytgv6

Please pick your preferred date & sign up ,etc...


mondayo

893 posts

209 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Stedman said:
No, they were st when new too!
I had P6000 on my V70 too, they were fine when dry and warm, utter gash the rest of the time. Changed them for some Hankooks which were better in every way, and cheaper too!

ATM

9,612 posts

165 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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r129sl said:
The 190 definitely takes 185/65 R 15 size tyres. I'd fit Cross Climates, too. I can't see the point of ultra high performance tyres on anything that is not an ultra high performance car. If I were on a budget, I'd have a look at Fulda or Barum, especially the latter, each is owned by a premium manufacturers and they are essentially second-tier brands from first-tier makers. Or look at Kumho and Uniroyal.

These look very good value: https://www.camskill.co.uk/m138b0s7990p148744/Cont...

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m138b0s7990p132336/Pire...

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m138b0s7990p132569/Kumh...
Don't forget to check the speed (load) rating. Some of these are 92 and some are 88. The lower rating tyres are generally softer and lighter which means quieter and smoother and just nicer - on a barge.

mondayo

893 posts

209 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Geekman said:
I was having a discussion with a few people on another forum about all season tyres: I fitted a set of Continental Cross Contacts to my shed as they were ridiculously cheap, and I'm incredibly impressed with them. Most people disagreed with me and said that they were simply compromised in all conditions (jack of all trades, master of none, etc) which logically, makes sense, but that hasn't been my experience at all. I drive on a lot of dirt tracks and muddy tarmac and their grip is better than anything else I've tried, including all the fancy premium summer ones, and they seem totally uncompromised on the road in any conditions. I can imagine they might not be as good as a Michelin PS4 flat out on a dry, twisty road but as my shed takes 60 profiles anyway, it's never going to be the last word in sportiness.
I'm not sure you can get any variety of "cross" tyre for the E55. I got some PS4'S for the rears (off ebay) in the summer. They're brilliant.

Currently looking at a very cheap Forester as my winter tyres option......

Lowtimer

4,085 posts

114 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Another word for CrossClimates, which have been excellent throughout the last 15 months on my BMW E39, in 225/55 R16. My policy now is that anything except the Porsche which comes up for new tyres will get CrossClimates.

CharlesdeGaulle

10,804 posts

126 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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mondayo said:
Currently looking at a very cheap Forester as my winter tyres option......
Leaving aside the discussion about tyres, this comment is the true 'thread-way'!

r129sl

8,076 posts

149 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Prinny said:
Calling the Northern Barge threadists...

Ian316 suggested Jedburgh, but we’ve not done anything since by way of confirmation. It’s been a long time since I was in the area, so can’t suggest a good meeting spot on my own. (I know Ian said somewhere near the abbey). Suggestions?

https://doodle.com/poll/4d2k8p6gga9ytgv6

Please pick your preferred date & sign up ,etc...
Jedburgh is a good idea. We can refine the precise location later. I have signed up for both days.

ian316

940 posts

51 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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r129sl said:
Prinny said:
Calling the Northern Barge threadists...

Ian316 suggested Jedburgh, but we’ve not done anything since by way of confirmation. It’s been a long time since I was in the area, so can’t suggest a good meeting spot on my own. (I know Ian said somewhere near the abbey). Suggestions?

https://doodle.com/poll/4d2k8p6gga9ytgv6

Please pick your preferred date & sign up ,etc...
Jedburgh is a good idea. We can refine the precise location later. I have signed up for both days.
Well after suggesting Jedburg, Mrs316 reminded me we'll be in Egypt so i'll be having a barge spotting day out in Cairo on the 27th

mondayo

893 posts

209 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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CharlesdeGaulle said:
Leaving aside the discussion about tyres, this comment is the true 'thread-way'!
There's a 03 plate Forester on Facebook, it's the turbo model, in silver but has leather and is auto, so that meets my basic criteria.
It's on 197k miles but has a good MOT history and current one runs till August.
As it's a fair way away (Canvey Island) and £650 it's going to be a single fare ticket and buying blind.
What could go wrong?

On a slightly related note, what's my best option insurance wise? When I ran the mx5 I ran it on classic insurance but not sure how to run a second car, I'm with Adrian Flux on the E55.

CharlesdeGaulle

10,804 posts

126 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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mondayo said:
On a slightly related note, what's my best option insurance wise? When I ran the mx5 I ran it on classic insurance but not sure how to run a second car, I'm with Adrian Flux on the E55.
Either see if you can add it, or simply start a new policy (pay attention to how many times you 'use' your NCB though). It depends on age and location, but I've found a new policy often to be really cheap. One of the few advantages of aging!

dme123

5,075 posts

135 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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CharlesdeGaulle said:
mondayo said:
On a slightly related note, what's my best option insurance wise? When I ran the mx5 I ran it on classic insurance but not sure how to run a second car, I'm with Adrian Flux on the E55.
Either see if you can add it, or simply start a new policy (pay attention to how many times you 'use' your NCB though). It depends on age and location, but I've found a new policy often to be really cheap. One of the few advantages of aging!
I went through all the hoops of talking to "specialist" insurers about mirroring NCB and so on when I bought this X350. In the end the cheapest by hundreds of pounds was a zero NCB new policy through Admiral. £270 for the year with 8k miles and SD&P+C.

If I agreed to put a second car on when the insurance was up in July and finish both policies next December it went down to £200 on the Jaguar and £100 odd for the few months on the other car! I didn't because I doubt I'll have the other one past July and couldn't be bothered arguing with them about that when the time came.

ATM

9,612 posts

165 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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dme123 said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
mondayo said:
On a slightly related note, what's my best option insurance wise? When I ran the mx5 I ran it on classic insurance but not sure how to run a second car, I'm with Adrian Flux on the E55.
Either see if you can add it, or simply start a new policy (pay attention to how many times you 'use' your NCB though). It depends on age and location, but I've found a new policy often to be really cheap. One of the few advantages of aging!
I went through all the hoops of talking to "specialist" insurers about mirroring NCB and so on when I bought this X350. In the end the cheapest by hundreds of pounds was a zero NCB new policy through Admiral. £270 for the year with 8k miles and SD&P+C.

If I agreed to put a second car on when the insurance was up in July and finish both policies next December it went down to £200 on the Jaguar and £100 odd for the few months on the other car! I didn't because I doubt I'll have the other one past July and couldn't be bothered arguing with them about that when the time came.
I have a mini fleet policy via a specialist broker which means I can add extra cars whenever. It works out cheaper than having a separate policy for each car. There is a PH post about just this here

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Prinny

1,257 posts

45 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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ian316 said:
Well after suggesting Jedburg, Mrs316 reminded me we'll be in Egypt so i'll be having a barge spotting day out in Cairo on the 27th
Hahaha... that’s going to be as easy as 123. Shame you won’t be able to make it, I’ve been in touch with Kevin, he’s going to be gutted when you’re not there. laugh

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