RE: Lotus Carlton: Spotted

RE: Lotus Carlton: Spotted

Sunday 8th July 2018

Lotus Carlton: Spotted

Notorious, lauded and now hugely sought-after, the Lotus Carlton is Spotted royalty...



When I was growing up (debatable if I could ever be called a grown up), the Vauxhall - sorry - Lotus Carlton languished in the £15,000 - £25,000 region. The price rise from then to now is what you might call inflation-busting. There's one that's covered only 4,500 miles for £125,000 elsewhere on the internet, and another for £150,000. Crazy money compared to what they were worth ten years ago. So, this original car with reasonably low mileage and plenty of history seems something of a steal at 'only' £75,000.

Many if not most PHers know the backstory: born of the power-crazed late 80's, developed and built by Lotus - who probably needed the money the contract brought in at the time - blasted in the national press for its 176 mph top speed and then, sadly, had its wings clipped by the early 90's by the recession and skyrocketing insurance premiums.


This example seems to have been used as it was intended because it's not some mollycoddled example that's never seen sunlight. Which is good because this car was built to be a useable super saloon. That's why it came with leather seats, had air conditioning and came with a large boot; perfect for travelling at maximum speed on the Autobahn with four burly business types and their briefcases.

But, being Lotus, they didn't stop at simply souping up a 3.0-litre Carlton GSI engine. No, they did a very thorough job of altering the suspension, fitting suitably meaty brakes to bring this barge to a halt as quickly as it accelerated, not to mention fitting a limited-slip diff to help get all that power to the ground. It also got a six-speed gearbox from ZF that had seen service in the Corvette ZR-1. In fact, it was such a good job that it received strong praise from the motoring press on its launch. Autocar even ran one for a year and did 20,000 miles in it.


Their report at the time mentioned that people had tried to steal it on three separate occasions, successfully doing so on the last attempt. They did get it back an hour later (if only all car theft stories ended that well) but were left with a £2300 repair bill for fixing the steering column and driver's door. Ouch. You have to remember, this is a bespoke car, so any damage to the fibreglass body kit and other body panels will be costly to repair.

Speaking of the body, just like any car of the period, check for rust. This can happen at the bottom of the doors, around either the front or rear windscreens, the boot floor, rear wheel arches and around the aerial. The mechanicals need to be in good order, too. This is practically a supercar after all, so it's not going to be as cheap to run as your ordinary Vauxhall. Listen for clunks for the rear suspension which could be worn trailing arm bushes, and make sure the self-levelling pump still works as well. It can take two minutes, but you should be able to hear it working if you turn the key to position two before starting. The electrics can be damaged by all the heat of the twin-turbo 3.6-litre engine, so make sure everything works on your test drive.


Do all that and you'll end up with an immensely capable classic car you don't have to suffer chronic pain every time you drive it. Plus, you'll have the childish thrill of being able to beat all but the most up-to-date performance saloons off the lights in what, to a punter, looks like an unassuming old Vauxhall. You'll have to be grown-up indeed not to see the appeal in that.


SPECIFICATION - 1992 LOTUS CARLTON
Engine:
3615cc, six-cylinder, twin-turbo
Transmission: six-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 380hp @ 5200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 419lb ft @ 4200rpm
MPG: Typically 19-22 mpg
CO2: Quite a lot
First registered: 1992
Recorded mileage: 73,000miles
Price new: £49,995
Yours for: £75,000

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Daveyraveygravey

Original Poster:

2,027 posts

184 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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"Autobarn" ?

lord trumpton

7,406 posts

126 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Daveyraveygravey said:
"Autobarn" ?
It's that were all these 'barn find' classic autos come from isn't it?

s m

23,232 posts

203 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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No mention of dash plastics?

skeeterm5

3,355 posts

188 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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The dash plastics are fine, just of their time.

Wildcat45

8,075 posts

189 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Is it worth the money? You'd really have to be really into them for that sort of cash. Its much rather than a Cossie though.

I last saw one in a carpark and went over to have a chat with the owner. On returning to our car my wife wanted to know why I was talking to a man with a chavved-up Vauxhall. I tried to explain.

Its a shame Lotus don't do this treatment on a modern car, creating something rather special from a run of the mill base car like an Insignia or Mondeo. I guess it's down to who owns what. Was Lotus owned by GM in the days of the Carlton?

aelord

337 posts

225 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Great car, but proof that their is a bubble in the classic market.

rossub

4,455 posts

190 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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aelord said:
Great car, but proof that their is a bubble in the classic market.
Nobody is actually going to pay 6 figures for a Vauxhall Carlton though.

rxe

6,700 posts

103 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Wildcat45 said:
Is it worth the money? You'd really have to be really into them for that sort of cash. Its much rather than a Cossie though.

I last saw one in a carpark and went over to have a chat with the owner. On returning to our car my wife wanted to know why I was talking to a man with a chavved-up Vauxhall. I tried to explain.

Its a shame Lotus don't do this treatment on a modern car, creating something rather special from a run of the mill base car like an Insignia or Mondeo. I guess it's down to who owns what. Was Lotus owned by GM in the days of the Carlton?
It was special in its day though. This sort of thing isn’t special anymore - why would you pay top whack for an “improved” Mondeo, when you have a choice of 500 hp+ super saloons from the likes of Merc, Alfa and BMW? Back in the 90s, if you wanted a fast saloon, this was pretty much it.

I agree on the 75k though. It’s a great car, and something that must be preserved, but 75K?

skeeterm5

3,355 posts

188 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Wildcat45 said:
I I guess it's down to who owns what. Was Lotus owned by GM in the days of the Carlton?
The gearbox, 6 speed, is from a Corvette, so yes I guess so.

The throw is quite long and the clutch is super heavy which makes extended driving in reallly bad traffic a pain, literally a pain in your left leg.

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craste

1,222 posts

207 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Saw one of these broken down last week on the A38 just as it meets the island in Minworth, by ASDA.

Cracking car, I still have my Lotus Carlton brochures. It really did cause a storm when it was released, the press where saying it was ridiculous because it could go so fast!

I’d love one, it’s a proper piece of automotive history!

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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I’ve only ever seen one a few times in car shows and once driving on the road (that was in the 1990’s) and every time they look wonderful.

It’s a really imposing car

Are they worth £75k who knows.

It’s competitor at the time E34 M5 “last of he hand built M5’s”. Was that a better car ? But that is valued far lower than £75k

Addymk2

334 posts

172 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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rxe said:
Wildcat45 said:
Is it worth the money? You'd really have to be really into them for that sort of cash. Its much rather than a Cossie though.

I last saw one in a carpark and went over to have a chat with the owner. On returning to our car my wife wanted to know why I was talking to a man with a chavved-up Vauxhall. I tried to explain.

Its a shame Lotus don't do this treatment on a modern car, creating something rather special from a run of the mill base car like an Insignia or Mondeo. I guess it's down to who owns what. Was Lotus owned by GM in the days of the Carlton?
It was special in its day though. This sort of thing isn’t special anymore - why would you pay top whack for an “improved” Mondeo, when you have a choice of 500 hp+ super saloons from the likes of Merc, Alfa and BMW? Back in the 90s, if you wanted a fast saloon, this was pretty much it.

I agree on the 75k though. It’s a great car, and something that must be preserved, but 75K?
The same could be said of E30 M3s tbh. 950 Omegas made as appose to 5300 M3s. LEts not start on air cooled 911s haha


skatty

491 posts

190 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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blade7

11,311 posts

216 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Even if I won a Euromillions rollover I don't think there'd be a place in my car warehouse for a LC. I'm glad Vauxhall built them, and I was suitably impressed back in the day, but they should have stuck the Vette engine in too.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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blade7 said:
Even if I won a Euromillions rollover I don't think there'd be a place in my car warehouse for a LC. I'm glad Vauxhall built them, and I was suitably impressed back in the day, but they should have stuck the Vette engine in too.
So €180m in he bank and you’d still not buy one? That’s some dislike of it

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

156 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Make Lotus Great Again!

Cold

15,249 posts

90 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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blade7 said:
Even if I won a Euromillions rollover I don't think there'd be a place in my car warehouse for a LC. I'm glad Vauxhall built them, and I was suitably impressed back in the day, but they should have stuck the Vette engine in too.
Firstly, Vauxhall didn't build them. Secondly, even if the V8 had fitted into the engine bay it would have produced a slower car.

Doofus

25,826 posts

173 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Welshbeef said:
blade7 said:
Even if I won a Euromillions rollover I don't think there'd be a place in my car warehouse for a LC. I'm glad Vauxhall built them, and I was suitably impressed back in the day, but they should have stuck the Vette engine in too.
So €180m in he bank and you’d still not buy one? That’s some dislike of it
So by your reckoning, he should buy every car for sale just because he can, regardless of whether or not he likes it?

If I won €180m, I wouldn't buy a Porsche Cayman. I don't dislike them, I just don't really want one.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Doofus said:
So by your reckoning, he should buy every car for sale just because he can, regardless of whether or not he likes it?

If I won €180m, I wouldn't buy a Porsche Cayman. I don't dislike them, I just don't really want one.
Doesn’t Jay Kayhave 50 odd Cars and constantly is rotating his stock to own as many petrol head Cars as possible. I’d wager he isn’t that far off those numbers ie lotto win

blade7

11,311 posts

216 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Cold said:
blade7 said:
Even if I won a Euromillions rollover I don't think there'd be a place in my car warehouse for a LC. I'm glad Vauxhall built them, and I was suitably impressed back in the day, but they should have stuck the Vette engine in too.
Firstly, Vauxhall didn't build them. Secondly, even if the V8 had fitted into the engine bay it would have produced a slower car.
With multi millions in the bank and amongst others a Mclaren F1 in my collection, how fast it could go wouldn't matter. Lotus upgraded and modified it but they didn't start from a blank sheet of paper did they.

Edited by blade7 on Sunday 8th July 11:29