JLR on 3 day week

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No ideas for a name

392 posts

24 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Francis85 said:
I don't get the problem with the drop of diesel sales.

They can still sell petrols and hybrids. No excuses.
They have dropped the V6 from the XF range... all you can buy in petrol is an i4.
I have driven lots, adequate, but not special. I wouldn't buy another from the current range.

Hungrymc

3,671 posts

75 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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ToothbrushMan said:
Dakkon said:
Lets put it this way, based on a friends experience, an Evoque using a litre of oil per 1000 miles is not considered a warranty claim....
bloody hell ! that would get expensive and very tiresome very quickly. my old 15-20 year old cars barely use a drop.
That is terrible, and I would be so angry if it were my car (my Evoque doesn’t use any oil).

Have you seen the VAG TFSi oil consumption discussions? It was on watchdog I think.... There are loads more examples not just JLR and VAG... still terrible.

Ninja59

1,988 posts

50 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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sheepman said:
JLR UK sales were up 64.9% last month, so its easy to assume consumer confidence is relatively positive.

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/business/2018/...
Depends how we define "sale", if it is defined by vehicles registered those vehicles could easily be just sitting in the JLR network as pre reg....

Off the record I managed to get one of the BMW sales guys to admit they had 45 cars just for that one dealership waiting to find homes. Problem was WLTP so all they simply did? Pre Reg them, he admitted as a BMW franchise with only 2 outlets they were "sitting" on around 90 cars total, that were simply going to get registered for the sake for nothing "other" than WLTP regulations.

Pre Reg has become an easy way to inflate "sales" and ensure the network continues shifting units.

SidewaysSi

5,037 posts

172 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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They should just shut the factory and move any relevant production abroad.

No ideas for a name

392 posts

24 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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SidewaysSi said:
They should just shut the factory and move any relevant production abroad.
Go back to making Spitfires to defend our shores.

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adamcot

73 posts

96 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Francis85 said:
I don't get the problem with the drop of diesel sales.

They can still sell petrols and hybrids. No excuses.
Diesel made up a significant portion of their sales. Not many people buy a petrol SUV or saloon. They only have the hybrid Range Rover’s in the market and do not have any other hybrid power train. So yes, it does matter to JLR.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

64 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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No ideas for a name said:
They have dropped the V6 from the XF range... all you can buy in petrol is an i4.
In the UK.

In the US, there's a 380bhp 3.0 supercharged v6 in the XE, XF and F-Pace, and also a 340bhp version in the XJ.

Strange they don't at least consider those here. Mebbe the v6 without blower.

Taaaaang

4,321 posts

124 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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I've lived in Birmingham my whole life and it saddens me that I can't take the risk buying a Range Rover due to the reliability issues.

I simply cannot take that risk with my everyday work car.

It's such a shame.

fttm

1,648 posts

73 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Twice in the last few years I've looked at buying a Range Rover , separate dealers , both times I've been quietly warned off due to their poor reliability .Speaks volumes for the brand .

MJK 24

5,280 posts

174 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Krikkit said:
Dakkon said:
Lets put it this way, based on a friends experience, an Evoque using a litre of oil per 1000 miles is not considered a warranty claim....
No different to Audi/VW/Skoda then...
VAG have always stated that up to 1 litre of oil per 600 miles is acceptable consumption!

Nickbrapp

2,493 posts

68 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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CarAbuser said:
The brexit scapegoat is getting old. The reason sales for JLR are falling are due to the growing perception of poor reliability and build quality among customers.
This. Heard it on the news and the first advert after it was 0% finance across the XE range, because no one buys them.

I saw a new XF estate the other day and my god what a fk up at the back


TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

64 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Nickbrapp said:
I saw a new XF estate the other day and my god what a fk up at the back

What's the problem? Looks OK from here.

Mr Whippy

21,711 posts

179 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Since they stopped the old Disco (farmer favourite which gives aura of capability), and Defender (as above), they left the stupendously complex, expensive and excessive RR as the only you’d reasonably consider.

My brother had his 66 Disco in for a new turbo (yikes) under warranty recently, had a new Disco with leccy tow bar apparently rated for 3 tonne towing... but told to ‘go easy on it’ by LR garage... hmmm.
Then when towing after changing from low box it’d squeal like a pig for a time, and constant loud clunks from suspension.

Typical farmer crashes often and wheel arches are easily replaced.
New one, yay painted metal panels. Stupid.


F type, amazing until you see the back, looks like a Chrysler Crossfire.


JLR deserve to suffer for being lame.

They can either learn and improve or not.

MB140

1,361 posts

41 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Dakkon said:
Lets put it this way, based on a friends experience, an Evoque using a litre of oil per 1000 miles is not considered a warranty claim....
It’s not at Porsche or BMW either. Admittedly 1l per 1000 miles is at the very top of the limit.

My m135i consumed 2 litres of oil in the first 1000 miles (brand new car), since then it hasn’t drink a drop in the last 13000.

But yes I get your meaning about JLR reliability. I would love a f-type R with that beautiful engine note but I know it would be ruinous to run and as unreliable as a Honda f1 engine 2 years ago.

Nickbrapp

2,493 posts

68 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:
What's the problem? Looks OK from here.
It reminds me of a bulbous blimp the way the window slopes down into the flat angle of the boot, that stupid chrome trim makes it look like it’s got a monobrow over a pair of droopy eyes

Shrimpvende

251 posts

30 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Only here to comment on reliability....

My F type has been the most reliable car I've ever had. Bought 2 years/20k miles old from franchised dealer as approved used. It goes in for its service on Wednesday marking a year of ownership...I've had nothing go wrong with it at all, and it's done 7k of fairly hard miles!

On the other hand, my Dad's FFRR TDV8, again approved used, 1 year and 15k miles old from franchised dealer, suspension collapsed a few days after delivery, one of the rear lights was always full of water until replaced, software update caused the power steering to cut out whenever the start/stop restarted the engine and as I type this it's currently at the dealer having its engine removed due to a faulty turbo actuator amongst other things. This fault presented itself a couple of days before we were due to take it on holiday, and no, LR assist do not have courtesy cars available at any sort of short notice!! It's still less than 3 years/30k old and an Autobiography with most options, well over £100k new. He's gutted!

It's a lovely lovely car but dad would never buy another, and I'd say he's probably their target demographic. I've been toying with the idea of one but can't bring myself to do it. I've heard on the grapevine that our local dealer has 30-40 courtesy cars for repairs/servicing due to the volume! No wonder they can't book you in for weeks!

I wish they'd sort it, the cars are great reliability aside

Edited by Shrimpvende on Monday 17th September 20:24

saaby93

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24,893 posts

116 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Nickbrapp said:
TooMany2cvs said:
What's the problem? Looks OK from here.
It reminds me of a bulbous blimp the way the window slopes down into the flat angle of the boot, that stupid chrome trim makes it look like it’s got a monobrow over a pair of droopy eyes
Are cars supposed to have a 'face' at the back?

corozin

2,649 posts

209 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Mr Whippy said:
Since they stopped the old Disco (farmer favourite which gives aura of capability), and Defender (as above), they left the stupendously complex, expensive and excessive RR as the only you’d reasonably consider.

My brother had his 66 Disco in for a new turbo (yikes) under warranty recently, had a new Disco with leccy tow bar apparently rated for 3 tonne towing... but told to ‘go easy on it’ by LR garage... hmmm.
Then when towing after changing from low box it’d squeal like a pig for a time, and constant loud clunks from suspension.

Typical farmer crashes often and wheel arches are easily replaced.
New one, yay painted metal panels. Stupid.
<SNIP>.
I have a friend in Scotland with a 56 plate Discovery 3 TDV6 which now has over 200,000 miles on it and has never had a serious failure of any kind. But as you say they don't build them now like they used to. JLR these days seem more interested in trying to design cars for Victoria Beckham wannabees than people who actually need the utility and capabilities of the cars which made thier "brand" famous worldwide...

unpc

2,061 posts

151 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Maybe we've been lucky, but the Mrs is on her 4th Land/Range Rover over the last 12 years or so and nothing has gone wrong on any of them. Quite unlike my PoS Alpina.

Her latest is a petrol Disco Sport which seem nearly impossible to get hold of. I find that strange as the petrol Ingenium is supposed to be built on the same line as the diesel.

V88Dicky

6,198 posts

121 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Shrimpvende said:
Only here to comment on reliability....

My F type has been the most reliable car I've ever had. Bought 2 years/20k miles old from franchised dealer as approved used. It goes in for its service on Wednesday marking a year of ownership...I've had nothing go wrong with it at all, and it's done 7k of fairly hard miles!

Edited by Shrimpvende on Monday 17th September 20:24
Likewise here. The wife and I have ran a variety of used (petrol) Jags for the last ten years, and they've been a big improvement reliability wise over our previous cars (German, Japanese, French etc). My XKR hasn't put a foot wrong in the 2.5 years I've had it, touch wood biggrin