JLR on 3 day week

[alfabadass]

craigjm said:

Well quality control is still as rubbish as ever

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/jaguar-e-pace-su...

Actually delivered to customers and then because there is “no fix” they are offering $600 compensation! Outrageous. I would be driving it straight back and getting my money back.

When are they finally going to learn how to build a car properly. To make it worse these are the cars contracted out in Austria.

£600? Imagine buying a new Luxury car with all that missing? Not even Apple and Android ICE?

LMAO

[anonymous-user]

alfabadass said:

craigjm said:

Well quality control is still as rubbish as ever

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/jaguar-e-pace-su...

Actually delivered to customers and then because there is “no fix” they are offering $600 compensation! Outrageous. I would be driving it straight back and getting my money back.

When are they finally going to learn how to build a car properly. To make it worse these are the cars contracted out in Austria.

£600? Imagine buying a new Luxury car with all that missing? Not even Apple and Android ICE?

LMAO

Hmmm that’s not great is it ?

Looks a class-action waiting to happen

[alfabadass]

I wouldn't accept £600, I'd be rejecting and head towards Audi

[sapf0]

havoc said:

Could also be related to the engine plant, as they now expect to sell far fewer diesel engines than before....

The head of Unite at Lode Lane is a councillor in Wolves. The engine plant was actually built on his patch. How convenient is that? Inside Solihull there has been a lot of high level back scratching to suit personal agendas rather than benefit the company, that is only just being uncovered.

[havoc]

sapf0 said:

havoc said:

Could also be related to the engine plant, as they now expect to sell far fewer diesel engines than before....

The head of Unite at Lode Lane is a councillor in Wolves. The engine plant was actually built on his patch. How convenient is that? Inside Solihull there has been a lot of high level back scratching to suit personal agendas rather than benefit the company, that is only just being uncovered.

It's possible. I know from my time that Solihull was the last bastion of the bad old ways of British industry...and talking to current employees nothing's changed in >10 years.

[legless]

havoc said:

It's possible. I know from my time that Solihull was the last bastion of the bad old ways of British industry...and talking to current employees nothing's changed in >10 years.

I last worked for JLR over 6 years ago now, but I remember even only as recently as 2012 the union shop mentality was alive and well there.

I had a job to do that involved a software upgrade on some production floor equipment. From a user perspective the changes were utterly minimal - perhaps a different font in parts of the UI, or a different colour on a button, that sort of thing I

First stop was Halewood. Explained to the shift supervisor what I was doing, installed the software, showed him that it still worked exactly as he needed it to, and he was happy.

I had a similar experience at Castle Bromwich.

Solihull was a different matter entirely. I got as far as explaining to the shift supervisor what I was doing, and without any hesitation he asked me if I'd cleared it with the union, and refused to let me go any further because 'i was changing his job without consultation'. Protests that he would barely notice anything different fell on deaf ears and I had to pack my bags and leave. I left that matter for my management to deal with, and I'd left the company before it was resolved.

[stevemcs]

alfabadass said:

I wouldn't accept £600, I'd be rejecting and head towards Audi

I'd rather the £600 no car play and an E Pace instead of driving an Audi

[sapf0]

I spoke to a TATA Engineer today. He told me that 5 years ago, TATA had 16 pay grades within it's automotive sector. He said that big cuts came, with each managers skills being identified to see if they could be redeployed to where they could be useful, or just let go. He said the pay scale is now 6 levels in TATA motors.


JLR is well into double figures, and said TATA are going to cut the fat and have more transparency from bottom to top. Speaking to many friends on site at Solihull, there is a major moral problem due to the union/middle management, and HR's treatment of employees. Arrogant managers don't even acknowledge those 'below' them, and in turn the lads on the track work to rule, and wont go the extra mile.

Happy workers are productive workers.

[Ares]

alfabadass said:

I wouldn't accept £600, I'd be rejecting and head towards Audi

....because you want to drive something that doesn't feel like driving a car?

[JxJ Jr.]

sapf0 said:

...there is a major moral problem due to the union/middle management....Arrogant managers don't even acknowledge those 'below' them, and in turn the lads on the track work to rule, and wont go the extra mile.

Having worked across quite a broad swathe of the global automotive industry - including JLR - I wouldn't necessarily go along with the inference that the 'lads on the track' would go the extra mile even if they were supposedly treated better. The company has problems at the top, in the middle and at the bottom.

[CambsBill]

LDN said:

Digga said:

The thing I found with JLR was, they did always tend to hit quality/recall issues head-on, rather than sweeping them under the carpet or trying to minimise service network disruption by waiting to catch them on a scheduled service..

I agree. Recalls get dealt with as they should; for the most part.

Contrast this with Mercedes handling of the Blue Efficiency injector issues they had a few years ago - from multiple blogs at the time they knew all about the problem but didn't have the parts to do a recall so just waited until customer cars broke down and fixed those

[havoc]

JxJ Jr. said:

sapf0 said:

...there is a major moral problem due to the union/middle management....Arrogant managers don't even acknowledge those 'below' them, and in turn the lads on the track work to rule, and wont go the extra mile.

Having worked across quite a broad swathe of the global automotive industry - including JLR - I wouldn't necessarily go along with the inference that the 'lads on the track' would go the extra mile even if they were supposedly treated better. The company has problems at the top, in the middle and at the bottom.

And at Solihull a lot more are at the bottom than the top.

Halewood was a really pleasant surprise, given the bad rep Scousers tend to get...

[BenjiS]

havoc said:

JxJ Jr. said:

sapf0 said:

...there is a major moral problem due to the union/middle management....Arrogant managers don't even acknowledge those 'below' them, and in turn the lads on the track work to rule, and wont go the extra mile.

Having worked across quite a broad swathe of the global automotive industry - including JLR - I wouldn't necessarily go along with the inference that the 'lads on the track' would go the extra mile even if they were supposedly treated better. The company has problems at the top, in the middle and at the bottom.

And at Solihull a lot more are at the bottom than the top.

And given how the ‘lads on the track’ drive when going to and from the plant, plus the regular smell of dope wafting from their cars it’s not surprising the cars have quality problems.

Top tip, if you’re going to behave like an arse, don’t wear your company’s uniform when you do it.

[Rovinghawk]

alfabadass said:

I wouldn't accept £600, I'd be rejecting and head towards Audi

It's not £600, it's £600 worth of options.

[craigjm]

Rovinghawk said:

alfabadass said:

I wouldn't accept £600, I'd be rejecting and head towards Audi

It's not £600, it's £600 worth of options.

No it wasn’t. It was £600 of compensation for not having certain equipment fitted that should have been standard at the factory

Edited by craigjm on Tuesday 12th February 14:30

[Krikkit]

Brooking10 said:

alfabadass said:

craigjm said:

Well quality control is still as rubbish as ever

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/jaguar-e-pace-su...

Actually delivered to customers and then because there is “no fix” they are offering $600 compensation! Outrageous. I would be driving it straight back and getting my money back.

When are they finally going to learn how to build a car properly. To make it worse these are the cars contracted out in Austria.

£600? Imagine buying a new Luxury car with all that missing? Not even Apple and Android ICE?

LMAO

Hmmm that’s not great is it ?

Looks a class-action waiting to happen

That doesn't mention how many cars are affected - could be 10 cars for all we know?

[Digga]

havoc said:

Halewood was a really pleasant surprise, given the bad rep Scousers tend to get...

It's always been a very good factory. One of the lads who used to work in our warehouse has been up there for ages working for DHL on the logistics side and finds it to be generally well run.

In other news, the all new 3 litre V6 Ingenium engine will be built at the JLR Wolverhampton engine plant: https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/midlands/jlrs...

[NomduJour]

It’s a straight six.

[Digga]

NomduJour said:

It’s a straight six.

Funny you should say that, I was wondering whether I'd not heard it was straight.

The engine in the picture (in the linked article) looked pretty 'boxy' so I assumed a V6.

[NomduJour]

https://media.landrover.com/news/2019/02/new-range...