RE: McLaren Speedtail reveal date confirmed

[Rich_W]

NRS said:

Francis85 said:

"but PistonHeads understands the British supercar maker has no interest in breaking records and joining the 300mph race"

Well, because they can't

I suspect they can, but either would be very expensive and/or the car would wreak the engine quickly, which is not good for a premium car brand to be associated with.

If Bugatti with 1500hp and the might of VW behind them paying the leccy bill cant. There's no way McLaren can compete.

[NRS]

Rich_W said:

If Bugatti with 1500hp and the might of VW behind them paying the leccy bill cant. There's no way McLaren can compete.

It can be done, just no one wants to front the money versus the risk of it not being paid back. McLaren have basically unlimited oil money if they really wanted to. There's a difference. Plus a lot is aero at high speeds rather than pure hp, and I presume Bugatti is somewhat limited by having to be a luxurious comfortable car to drive normally. McLaren would have more flexibility to do a high speed special based on their lack of specialization in one niche like Bugatti.

[corozin]

Another pointless car which very few people will be able to afford to buy, even fewer will get the opportunity, and almost none will have the skill to drive properly. A car destined to be trailered to private garages, to be stored as investments and never driven, except perhaps on an off transport lorries to a few shows just to show the plebs how rich and influential the owners are.

They say a fool and his money are easily parted. I think that saying can probably be extended to McLaren customers.

[numtumfutunch]

corozin said:

Another pointless car which very few people will be able to afford to buy, even fewer will get the opportunity, and almost none will have the skill to drive properly. A car destined to be trailered to private garages, to be stored as investments and never driven, except perhaps on an off transport lorries to a few shows just to show the plebs how rich and influential the owners are.

They say a fool and his money are easily parted. I think that saying can probably be extended to McLaren customers.

A nice effort but compared to the posts deleted on this thread 2/10

[anonymous-user]

NRS said:

Rich_W said:

If Bugatti with 1500hp and the might of VW behind them paying the leccy bill cant. There's no way McLaren can compete.

It can be done, just no one wants to front the money versus the risk of it not being paid back. McLaren have basically unlimited oil money if they really wanted to. There's a difference. Plus a lot is aero at high speeds rather than pure hp, and I presume Bugatti is somewhat limited by having to be a luxurious comfortable car to drive normally. McLaren would have more flexibility to do a high speed special based on their lack of specialization in one niche like Bugatti.

I always thought that at those speeds the air resistance was such that it was more a power issue to punch through?

From t’Internet:
“The force required to push an object through the atmosphere increases at the cube of velocity. Translated: a car that needs 200hp to overcome aerodynamic drag at 150mph would need 1,600hp – eight times more nominal power – to reach 300mph”.

[gigglebug]

NRS said:

and I presume Bugatti is somewhat limited by having to be a luxurious comfortable car to drive normally. McLaren would have more flexibility to do a high speed special based on their lack of specialization in one niche like Bugatti.

I thought the whole point of this particular McLaren is that it is going to be a luxurious comfortable car to drive normally?

"Woking’s engineers have instead been tasked with making a McLaren that, while faster than all others, is highly luxurious and usable in town traffic."

Edit: I presume you are referring to McLaren in general as oppose to this specific model?

Edited by gigglebug on Thursday 18th October 11:27

[NRS]

Yes, was more McLaren as a company.

garyhun said:

NRS said:

Rich_W said:

If Bugatti with 1500hp and the might of VW behind them paying the leccy bill cant. There's no way McLaren can compete.

It can be done, just no one wants to front the money versus the risk of it not being paid back. McLaren have basically unlimited oil money if they really wanted to. There's a difference. Plus a lot is aero at high speeds rather than pure hp, and I presume Bugatti is somewhat limited by having to be a luxurious comfortable car to drive normally. McLaren would have more flexibility to do a high speed special based on their lack of specialization in one niche like Bugatti.

I always thought that at those speeds the air resistance was such that it was more a power issue to punch through?

From t’Internet:
“The force required to push an object through the atmosphere increases at the cube of velocity. Translated: a car that needs 200hp to overcome aerodynamic drag at 150mph would need 1,600hp – eight times more nominal power – to reach 300mph”.

Yes, what I was meaning was due to the massive increase in power needed to overcome drag then it is more "efficient" to reduce drag, as then you don't need as much crazy extra power. The Chiron has a drag coefficient of 0.38 in standard mode and 0.35 in Top Speed, compared to the P1's 0.34. So if you want a high speed machine that would be a better option (however I'm not sure how it would balance with the downforce to stop the car taking off. And I believe tyres that survive at those speeds are also a bit of an issue - at least for a normal road car.

[Rich_W]

NRS said:

. McLaren have basically unlimited oil money if they really wanted to.

They really don't. They have a budget constraint like every company in the world. Do you not notice the constant "recycling" of parts? How many cars have had THAT 3.8TT? That is not a company operating with a blank chequebook. VAG is the worlds largest car group!

NRS said:

. Plus a lot is aero at high speeds rather than pure hp,

The fact that you didn't understand that air resistance is the problem at high speed. (And then tried to style it out with your last answer) Suggests, you are just another fanboy who believes that McLaren are invincible. The purity of the F1 was a long time ago. Many people have come and gone since that point.



Anyhow

ETA todays "teaser" is a close up of.....




... the badge!

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Edited by Rich_W on Thursday 18th October 21:04

[NRS]

Rich_W said:

NRS said:

. McLaren have basically unlimited oil money if they really wanted to.

They really don't. They have a budget constraint like every company in the world. Do you not notice the constant "recycling" of parts? How many cars have had THAT 3.8TT? That is not a company operating with a blank chequebook. VAG is the worlds largest car group!

NRS said:

. Plus a lot is aero at high speeds rather than pure hp,

The fact that you didn't understand that air resistance is the problem at high speed. (And then tried to style it out with your last answer) Suggests, you are just another fanboy who believes that McLaren are invincible. The purity of the F1 was a long time ago. Many people have come and gone since that point.

You seem to be jumping into to the middle of a conversation without reading the start. I'm no McLaren fanboy, what I replied to was a comment saying that McLaren couldn't go over 300mph. I said if they wanted to they could - as they have the potential of a "unlimited" money supply if the few owners decided to go for the willy waving of first car over 300mph. This is in contrast to a few of the companies that are trying - I won't be surprised to see some go bankrupt if they really go for it. Bugatti is not one of those.

The possible limit with Bugatti is more it seems to be a company that is combining insane speeds with comfort, easy drivability etc. On result of that is they have a higher drag, so would need a lot more power to overcome that. Whereas it is a lot more effective to reduce drag as you need a lot less power. Nothing to do with McLaren, just the basic physics. If you could design something to do 300mph would you reduce drag or add power in terms of efficient improvements? So it the whole thing was to say McLaren have the money if they want, plus the knowledge, and have a possible easier route via lower drag if they wanted to. So IMO they could do it.