How does a electric car compare with a diesel performance
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my wife has a leaf. its a utilitarian white good that is ace for the shopping, school run, work churn. it's no drivers car in the twisty stuff. feels positively unstable on the moor roads etc around us. it's ugly and inside its a generic plastic finished appliance.
it will outrun any generic 2 l petrol/diesel lump in the red light race. she absolutely loves this, when spotty yoofs think they'll blast past in the outer lane.
as it does it silently- its even stranger and I'm not sure many people know what they are yet.
in winter- she hits a button on her phone and it pre heats itself- seats, windows, steering wheel. this is invaluable on the mad rush at 8.30 to escape the house and pile the children into the house. no more de-icing cars, nor cars idling on the drive for 10 mins. it either runs from its own battery or if still plugged in, from yr own domestic supply. ditto when she leaves work- hit a button at her desk and go out to a pre-heated car.
winter impacts on battery range naturally- but not hugely- knocks maybe 15-20 miles off yr range on a full charge.
can't be bothered with the grid, supply, debate- we've done 100's of pages on that, on here.
currently, as a second car: you'd never have anything else once you've experienced it.
oh and its cost £233 in electric to drive 8000 miles in 12 mths. There's the winning argument right there.
it will outrun any generic 2 l petrol/diesel lump in the red light race. she absolutely loves this, when spotty yoofs think they'll blast past in the outer lane.
as it does it silently- its even stranger and I'm not sure many people know what they are yet.
in winter- she hits a button on her phone and it pre heats itself- seats, windows, steering wheel. this is invaluable on the mad rush at 8.30 to escape the house and pile the children into the house. no more de-icing cars, nor cars idling on the drive for 10 mins. it either runs from its own battery or if still plugged in, from yr own domestic supply. ditto when she leaves work- hit a button at her desk and go out to a pre-heated car.
winter impacts on battery range naturally- but not hugely- knocks maybe 15-20 miles off yr range on a full charge.
can't be bothered with the grid, supply, debate- we've done 100's of pages on that, on here.
currently, as a second car: you'd never have anything else once you've experienced it.
oh and its cost £233 in electric to drive 8000 miles in 12 mths. There's the winning argument right there.
essayer said:
“They” being National Grid, who run the, er, power grid.
Lots to educate yourself here:
https://www.nationalgrid.com/group/case-studies/el...
Why don't you read the rest of the thread before posting pointless commentsLots to educate yourself here:
https://www.nationalgrid.com/group/case-studies/el...
jjwilde said:
kambites said:
I'm not sure what 24 million has got to do with anything. Even if every ICE car went off sale tomorrow it'd take us more than ten years to get to that number of EVs.
Well the point is that when the time comes the grid can easily cope with it.We do not have enough generation to power every car in the UK on electricity. We do not have an electricity supply problem for any realistic real-world EV adoption scenario. Those two statement are not mutually exclusive but only the latter is actually of any value.
F4R said:
I was following a leaf once and both of us were stuck behind a slow moving HGV up a steep hill. To my amazement, the leaf successfully overtook it without any trouble. If you like diesel torque you'll love electric
A Nissan Leaf has 240lbft of torque. That’s more than my 3 litre, flat-6, Subaru Legacy Outback.austinsmirk said:
currently, as a second car: you'd never have anything else once you've experienced it.
I would probably say as the 'main' car EVs is fine for 90% or people, and having a second combustion car for odd long trips works well.We've had an EV of some kind on the drive for 3.5 years now, done over 45K. Our second car, a combustion one has done 22k in the same time. The gap will now increase between the two as for the first EV we had was on a 14K over 2 years PCP limit. The split in millage between the two cars over the last 12 months has been 15k versus 5k!!
I personally don't think EVs and charging stations are ready for a 100% EV driveway as the odd long distance trip is still easier in the combustion car. But for any 2 car family getting an EV is a no-brainer, and will make your life more convenient.
tty job if you are... 
WinstonWolf said:
Baldchap said:
We have a Model X P100D, which is the big people carrier. Torque is absolutely instant. It's not far off my motorbike in terms of throttle response at pretty much any speed, but especially below 100mph.
I'd wager there isn't a diesel anywhere that goes faster at any point sub 100mph.
Re heating: It has 'normal' climate control, heated seats (all six), screens and wheel. It doesn't seem to significantly impact range.
I've got a 4.2 twin turbo V8 diesel, it can't keep up with my mate's Tesla...I'd wager there isn't a diesel anywhere that goes faster at any point sub 100mph.
Re heating: It has 'normal' climate control, heated seats (all six), screens and wheel. It doesn't seem to significantly impact range.
Edited by gazza285 on Thursday 6th December 19:33
DoubleTime said:
Max_Torque said:
It really simple, if you want to get your EV to drive as fast as a diesel, just back off the accelerator a bit....... ;-)
and get anywhere near the quoted range from the manufacturers? ;-) gazza285 said:
That would depend on how far you are going, it would take you about fourteen hours in your diesel to get from Land’s End to John’O’Groats, and about forty five hours in the Tesla, assuming it started with a full charge...
You know it’s not relevant as (almost) no one does that journey, or would even consider driving 850 miles in a single sitting. Unless you’re racing. They call this an extreme edge case. The average driver covers less than 20 miles per day. But you knew that, you were just setting up to illustrate how much more efficient and cheaper an EV is:Edited by gazza285 on Thursday 6th December 19:33
850 miles in a 335d would burn through £150 of diesel and dump a quarter of a tonne of CO2 into the atmosphere.
A Tesla over the same distance would cost you a tenner and dump nothing into the lungs of our upcoming generation.
MrOrange said:
You know it’s not relevant as (almost) no one does that journey, or would even consider driving 850 miles in a single sitting. Unless you’re racing. They call this an extreme edge case. The average driver covers less than 20 miles per day. But you knew that, you were just setting up to illustrate how much more efficient and cheaper an EV is:
850 miles in a 335d would burn through £150 of diesel and dump a quarter of a tonne of CO2 into the atmosphere.
A Tesla over the same distance would cost you a tenner and dump nothing into the lungs of our upcoming generation.
A Tesla will dump nothing into the lungs of upcoming generations?850 miles in a 335d would burn through £150 of diesel and dump a quarter of a tonne of CO2 into the atmosphere.
A Tesla over the same distance would cost you a tenner and dump nothing into the lungs of our upcoming generation.
anonymous said:
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Realistically under normal driving (it lives in Ludicrous mode, though obviously not at full throttle all the time) it does about 250 miles. For 700 horses and six/seven seats, that's acceptable to me. A 200 mile charge is 20 minutes at a supercharger. Home charger is about 46 miles per hour.Stu08 said:
MrOrange said:
You know it’s not relevant as (almost) no one does that journey, or would even consider driving 850 miles in a single sitting. Unless you’re racing. They call this an extreme edge case. The average driver covers less than 20 miles per day. But you knew that, you were just setting up to illustrate how much more efficient and cheaper an EV is:
850 miles in a 335d would burn through £150 of diesel and dump a quarter of a tonne of CO2 into the atmosphere.
A Tesla over the same distance would cost you a tenner and dump nothing into the lungs of our upcoming generation.
A Tesla will dump nothing into the lungs of upcoming generations?850 miles in a 335d would burn through £150 of diesel and dump a quarter of a tonne of CO2 into the atmosphere.
A Tesla over the same distance would cost you a tenner and dump nothing into the lungs of our upcoming generation.
gazza285 said:
That would depend on how far you are going, it would take you about fourteen hours in your diesel to get from Land’s End to John’O’Groats, and about forty five hours in the Tesla, assuming it started with a full charge...
Are you genuinely stupid enough to think it would take 31 hours of charging time in a Tesla for that journey? It might if you were using a 3 pin plug from the mains but then that would be like using a pipette to fill the diesel.Wow. Some people really can't handle the thought of EV 's can they!
We all know they are new tech and don't meet all people's needs yet.
But to start doubting they aren't better for environment and that all the multinational manufacturers moving to electric have somehow got it wrong, I think you need to question whether your just speaking rubbish.
We all know they are new tech and don't meet all people's needs yet.
But to start doubting they aren't better for environment and that all the multinational manufacturers moving to electric have somehow got it wrong, I think you need to question whether your just speaking rubbish.
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