RE: Toyota Supra production model leaks (again)
Discussion
Honeywell said:
I like it I think.
I’m not hung up on thrust - it’s going to have s
tloads - and more interested in intangibles like throttle response, centre of gravity height, control weights and other more sophisticated considerations. If this thing can power oversteer and donut it will be far better than a golf R regardless of pointless acceleration figures.
Toyota got loads right with the GT86. I have one. I like that it’s all built by Toyota and that as such stuff doesn’t go wrong.
A 340hp Manual gearbox rwd coupe which doesn’t go wrong and has lovely seat position and control weights and such will be a legen twenty years from now....
I agree with this.I’m not hung up on thrust - it’s going to have s
tloads - and more interested in intangibles like throttle response, centre of gravity height, control weights and other more sophisticated considerations. If this thing can power oversteer and donut it will be far better than a golf R regardless of pointless acceleration figures.Toyota got loads right with the GT86. I have one. I like that it’s all built by Toyota and that as such stuff doesn’t go wrong.
A 340hp Manual gearbox rwd coupe which doesn’t go wrong and has lovely seat position and control weights and such will be a legen twenty years from now....
Why does it seems to be the same story over and over again, 'not powerful enough', ' hot hatches are faster', 'it's not a true supra like the mk4', 'it’s a bmw not a toyota', ‘it’s not a 1000bhp supercar’ bla bla bla....
It’s a Toyota, designed and manufactured by Toyota. The only shared parts are the wing mirrors and engine which is being tuned by Toyota anyway. In all respects it meets with the Supra’s lineage and history, the fact that Toyota is even making a GT sports car these days is commendable. It’s a 50-60k Sports/GT car not a 100k+ supercar, enjoy it for what it is and not what it isn’t. It’ll be too fast for the road like most cars these days anyway…
It's rumoured spec is very much comparable to its direct competitors at that price point and for those that really want I’m sure tuners will already be developing aftermarket options. People seem to have forgotten about the true driving pleasure these days and are more interested in pub bragging rights! I’m sure the Alpine A110 must be massively underpowered for its price point as well then and therefore rubbish because a Golf R is faster after all…. All of the reviews clearly state its rubbish with its poxy 250bhp in this day and age, right….
I’m personally really looking forward to finally see what they come up with and wish them good luck!
It’s a Toyota, designed and manufactured by Toyota. The only shared parts are the wing mirrors and engine which is being tuned by Toyota anyway. In all respects it meets with the Supra’s lineage and history, the fact that Toyota is even making a GT sports car these days is commendable. It’s a 50-60k Sports/GT car not a 100k+ supercar, enjoy it for what it is and not what it isn’t. It’ll be too fast for the road like most cars these days anyway…
It's rumoured spec is very much comparable to its direct competitors at that price point and for those that really want I’m sure tuners will already be developing aftermarket options. People seem to have forgotten about the true driving pleasure these days and are more interested in pub bragging rights! I’m sure the Alpine A110 must be massively underpowered for its price point as well then and therefore rubbish because a Golf R is faster after all…. All of the reviews clearly state its rubbish with its poxy 250bhp in this day and age, right….
I’m personally really looking forward to finally see what they come up with and wish them good luck!
Woody928 said:
It’s a 50-60k Sports/GT
This is where Toyota failed for many enthusiasts of this model.Toyota have branded this car, using their own words, as a "pure sports car", rather than a GT.
So instead of the Mk5 being an evolution of the Mk4 (which was a GT car in every aspect), Toyota have decided to re-invent it as a "pure sports car". For many it seems this places it into the same basket as a Z4, 370Z, MX5 etc.
Its a shame really as I think there was a large gap in the market for an affordable sports/GT to sit in a price range above the likes of a 350Z and below the M3/M4, with a performance level of the M3/M4 or higher. Something which a large japanese brand could have delivered within a sensible budget.
Remembering that Toyota used to have a clear distinction between its range of performance cars, starting with the MR2, which would have been their traditional 'sports car', through to the GT4 and then the Supra being the full fledged performance GT car.
If comparing current models then Toyota's GT86 now fills the MR2 slot and the new Supra MK5 sort of fills an area that a modern CelicaGT4 should be sitting at (albeit with rear wheel drive).
A missed opportunity I think from Toyota. They should have made the Mk5 to be an evolution of the Mk4, keeping it as a performance GT at its heart.
SonicShadow said:
A careful approach and not sinking many millions into the development of a brand new performance straight six that will only be used in the Supra, which is not going to be a huge volume seller, is one of the reasons they are netting so many dollaridoos.
Perhaps could have used the ISF/LS V8 and tweaked that with a turbo chargers or supercharger, lowering development costs (if Lexus/Toyota are as linked as is assumed?) The old Supra engine being used in GS300's IS300's up to the V6 switch over in around 2005?But is seems they wanted to stick to the more historically Supra ie standard straight 6 so like you say looked elsewhere rather than starting from scratch...
I like it and am very much looking forward to the official reveal. If someone offered me this or the Golf R, I would have this in a heartbeat. Even at twice the cost I'd rather this as it is something a little special, rather than a boyed up Golf thanks to which you can barely drive 3 miles without seeing one.
Ultimately, if you want a car that looks like a Golf R, goes like a Golf R, and can be stolen like a Golf R then get a Golf R. If you want something that is low slung, quick (though not Golf R quick!111!!11) and will turn heads then get something akin to this.
My only gripe is that it's an auto, but the rumour mill churns over a manual variant.
Ultimately, if you want a car that looks like a Golf R, goes like a Golf R, and can be stolen like a Golf R then get a Golf R. If you want something that is low slung, quick (though not Golf R quick!111!!11) and will turn heads then get something akin to this.
My only gripe is that it's an auto, but the rumour mill churns over a manual variant.
Got one on order as was curious about the car more than anything.
There will be 300 in the UK, so should be rare.
It wont be the fastest thing around, but its not supposed to be. The bit thats being missed out is that the Toyota chairman (a proper racer) has basically created a base, and is expecting this car to be in the hands of tuners to get the ridiculous power out of - those were his words. When asked why Toyota didnt do it right off the bat, he said that it was for the tuners to do as thats the scene that made the car great.
Several tuners already have the car and are working on packages for it - rumour being 500 bhp will be very easily achievable.
There will be 300 in the UK, so should be rare.
It wont be the fastest thing around, but its not supposed to be. The bit thats being missed out is that the Toyota chairman (a proper racer) has basically created a base, and is expecting this car to be in the hands of tuners to get the ridiculous power out of - those were his words. When asked why Toyota didnt do it right off the bat, he said that it was for the tuners to do as thats the scene that made the car great.
Several tuners already have the car and are working on packages for it - rumour being 500 bhp will be very easily achievable.
Thing change, it isnt this will be slow, its just hot hatches have now got daft amounts of power, the Mk4 TT Supra was an obvious competitor to the Nissan GTR, the GTR is now much more expensive and it is a bespoke architecture, Toyota were never going to spend them money on that, this will be what, 30 grand cheaper than an R35 GTR ?
And it wont be slow will it, have you driven anything with that engine in, slow isnt a criticism and there will be loads of tuning options, in an M140i, 450 bhp isnt unheard of with a tuning box/downpipe.
How bloody fast do you need a car to go before you can countenance enjoying it ? I think there is a gulf as well, between forum chat and reality, People used to have a lot of enjoyment in old British Sportscars and probably never knew the power output, its got a bit mental when 350 bhp is considered below par, it will do 100 mph in 10 seconds or so.
depends whether you want to "Beat" other cars, or just enjoy a nice car and driving it, you cant just buy a Golf R, tune it to death and declare you have "won at cars" because it accelerates faster than something more expensive, thats like declaring yourself a top level magician because you fooled the dog by hiding its ball up the back of your jumper.
And it wont be slow will it, have you driven anything with that engine in, slow isnt a criticism and there will be loads of tuning options, in an M140i, 450 bhp isnt unheard of with a tuning box/downpipe.
How bloody fast do you need a car to go before you can countenance enjoying it ? I think there is a gulf as well, between forum chat and reality, People used to have a lot of enjoyment in old British Sportscars and probably never knew the power output, its got a bit mental when 350 bhp is considered below par, it will do 100 mph in 10 seconds or so.
depends whether you want to "Beat" other cars, or just enjoy a nice car and driving it, you cant just buy a Golf R, tune it to death and declare you have "won at cars" because it accelerates faster than something more expensive, thats like declaring yourself a top level magician because you fooled the dog by hiding its ball up the back of your jumper.
mainaman said:
The previous Supra,which struggled for sales,would cost 75 000-80 000 pounds today,the new one is priced closer to the Z cars than the GTR.Also the Cayman GT4 has less BHP than some hot hatches,what a flop!
Want a bigger and badder Toyota,wait for the LC F.Want a real world sports car,with straight six,manual,RWD and a reasonable price tag,go test drive the Supra next year.Hopefully it wont disappoint and it will be a good platform for the tuners too.
I have to agree. It's perhaps not as titillating as the A110 and M2 Comp were this year for me but it's probably my most eagerly anticipated car of 2019. Toyota have been out of the high-performance sports car market for too long and it's good to see them back. BMW know how to make a decent straight six engine, so I have no issue with that but the styling of their most recent models (Z4, 8-Series, new 3 etc) does absolutely nothing for me, this looks promising. I think that I'd have it over a Z4, a 370Z, a 718 Cayman, an SLC or one of the quicker Audi TTs and surely it's quicker than a Golf R? The Honda NSX and Nissan GTR are quicker yes, but a good deal more expensive and much heavier in the case of the GTR. My only bugbears so far are the lack of rear seats compared to the mk4 (a necessary compromise when BMW were wanting to make a short wheelbase two-seat sports car from the same platform) and the lack of a manual option right now but this criticism isn't unique to just the Supra and one can still hope! Want a bigger and badder Toyota,wait for the LC F.Want a real world sports car,with straight six,manual,RWD and a reasonable price tag,go test drive the Supra next year.Hopefully it wont disappoint and it will be a good platform for the tuners too.
Yes before people comment I don't post on here so tiny amounts of posts in ten years or whatever..
However felt inclined to do so in regard to the Golf R comparison.
Owned a Golf R apr Stage 2 400 bhp just over...moved on to a TTS APR Stage 1 380 bhp....currently Audi S3 8V Unicorn custom map 385bhp.........now not one of these cars for me apart from being very quick off the line with launch control feels anything other than a run of the mill car in all other circumstances
Id hope that the design and testing put into this upcoming supra would deliver an all round better experience for a car to be enjoyed driving.
VAG products at the lower end of the scale I shop in are simply not that some may disagree but my experience is that I own white goods with tinsel on nothing more...This Supra should be a wholly different experience for the better
However felt inclined to do so in regard to the Golf R comparison.
Owned a Golf R apr Stage 2 400 bhp just over...moved on to a TTS APR Stage 1 380 bhp....currently Audi S3 8V Unicorn custom map 385bhp.........now not one of these cars for me apart from being very quick off the line with launch control feels anything other than a run of the mill car in all other circumstances
Id hope that the design and testing put into this upcoming supra would deliver an all round better experience for a car to be enjoyed driving.
VAG products at the lower end of the scale I shop in are simply not that some may disagree but my experience is that I own white goods with tinsel on nothing more...This Supra should be a wholly different experience for the better
After I stopped owning Capri 2.8 Injections in the 80s I always fancied a Supra, but that never quite worked out sadly.
I'm currently a serial BMW owner and currently have an E86 Z4 Coupe, so I really can't get excited about the G29 Z4.
So I'm hoping the new Supra will get good reviews - and a manual gearbox!
I'm currently a serial BMW owner and currently have an E86 Z4 Coupe, so I really can't get excited about the G29 Z4.
So I'm hoping the new Supra will get good reviews - and a manual gearbox!
MX6 said:
borat52 said:
I applaud this car, it’s a sports car after all, but a supra it is not.
I don't see how this isn't a Supra, it's a 3.0L straight 6 turbo RWD sports coupe from Toyota, what else would it be? What box doesn't it tick as a Supra? I thought it could of had a bit more power, but a Supra wasn't just a mk4 twin turbo manual, there were various incarnations over the Supra lineage that had smaller capacity engine or were NA, dating back to the '70's including the Celica Supra's.Here we are 25 years on (and no mk5 available yet) and it seems this one may well not really have moved the performance on at all.
To me the Supra means a shot at making the best performance car of the day. They could have naked the LFA Supra.
I’m not putting this car down, I just think it would be like Nissan calling the 350/370z “GTR”.
To the chap who said it shares just an engine and wing mirror with the Z4, unless I dreamt it they’re going to be made alongside each other in the same factory in Austria are they not? That’s common chassis, common drivetrain for sure.
borat52 said:
Mk4 supra was the Nurburgring lap record holder in the 90’s and would do 400bhp at around 1600kg with just a map.
It absolutely was not the Nurburgring lap record holder in the 90s, that was held by the XJ220 7:46 John Nielson lap that stood for over a decade into the 2000s.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff