RE: Lamborghini Urus: Dune buggy

[Ex Boy Racer]

BigR said:

Ex Boy Racer said:

E65Ross said:

Ex Boy Racer said:

I find it kind of concerning that our brightest minds now seem to be briefed to design and create things that aren't better at their job but rather more conspicuous, more over the top and more outrageous as that's what makes money.
Go back years and car designers were looking at improved packaging, efficiency, comfort or performance (Issigonis, Porsche, Lyons, etc) and their brilliance made the motoring world as we know it. This car does not seem to move cars forward in any way except in how to relieve buyers of even more money.
Very sad really. I guess we still have Elon Musk...

Couldn't you level the same at many cars in the past, too? And if you're talking about this car from a brand point of view, this probably is the best model for comfort and packaging (from an interior/boot space perspective).

Not sure you could if I'm honest.
It doesn't handle as well as, probably, a £30k Golf, doesn't have as much room as a £25k Skoda, isn't as fast as a lot of cheaper cars, isn't as comfotable, spacious etc etc. Basically it doesn't do a single thing really well yet costs in the top 1% of all motor cars.

And I guess you must have driven one quite a lot to know all this!?! If you actually drive one you'll most likely change your opinion. I was fortunate enough to spend half a day driving one in various conditions at Millbrook and I was massively impressed by the car's capabilities. On road or off, it really was an impressive machine. The straightforward power, the handling at speed (which was better than a £30k Golf), it's abilities off road - which your average saloon car would not have coped with at all - it's overall versatility... I have a Cayenne and whilst it is more than capable for day to day living (which is why I have it!), the Urus is poles apart as a complete package.

PH does make me chuckle - and equally somewhat depressed at the human condition - with the ability of people to state 'facts' when they're opinion. Yes they have used some common parts - it's called running a business to ensure they thrive and survive and can do bonkers things like the SVJ - but they also built a whole new production facility, doubling their existing space, at Sant a'gata Bolognese... which is just outside Bologna (for the pedants), in which they build this. But this is Lambos take on an SUV and its bloody impressive....should you actually get to drive one in anger then you'll find out for yourselves!

Alternatively they could go back to producing marginal poor quality mental cars and lurch from one financial crisis to the next as some would strangely prefer.

Anyway...why am I doing this on Christmas day?! Doh!

I think you misunderstand me. If you like something and want one that’s great. Fair play to you.
I was simply bemoaning a society where marketing has taken over from excellence. It’s no longer about how to do things best but rather about how to sell most and make most money. To my mind the answer to both of these ambitions should be the same. It is clear they’re not.
Regarding driving one - no I haven’t driven one of these. A Macan Turbo, yes. And that certainly does not handle as well as a proper sports car. Or even a good Estate car

[WokkaWokka]

sidesauce said:

WokkaWokka said:

Yiannimize has one so that makes it even more ste, what a grade A wker that bloke is.

I'm sure being called a wker by some bitter keyboard warrior on the 'net is something that keeps him up at night. Or maybe not - he evidently enjoys his life, can you say the same? Furthermore, I'm also VERY sure you've wked more than one time in your life, which by definition makes you a wker too, does it not?

WokkaWokka said:

These supercar manufacturers have no business making SUV’s not when all they do is put one of their previous designs on stilts.

Supercar manufacturer makes SUV and significantly increases profit margin after having consulted their prospective buyers as to what they want. Wokka thinks they have no business making SUV. Owners of said SUV don't care what Wokka thinks and, as mentioned by at least two people on this thread, enjoy their new purchase. Wokka is sad.

I’m really happy thanks, having an excellent day! Got some cracking presents this morning. Have a Merry Christmas!

[redroadster]

Looks very similar to Toyota 20 grand crz thing if I've got name correct

[redroadster]

Looks very similar to Toyota 20 grand crz thing if I've got name correct

[AlmostUseful]

I was parked near a blue one in bristol the other day, just near Rybrook. To be honest I thought it looked crap, and had a close look at the wheels and brakes - they were bloody colossal! 23” wheels with brake rotors that must have been as big as my wheels on my 3 series - brake callipers about 16” long!

Anyway, the owner came back at the same time I came back to my car and when he started up it sounded awesome, just like a lambo should. Ok maybe not a V12 but it was lovely!
Given a spare £160k I don’t think I’d buy one, but I wouldn’t be opposed to my wife having one for the school run!

[Reciprocating mass]

Bit of a stretch calling it a dune buggy
It’s nothing of the sort

[jorders500]

I saddens me that this car exists.

[alorotom]

Big GT said:

irrelevant car and test for apart for Pher's with Sheikh as usernames.

Bit off and mildly racist/largely stereotyping - it’s not an irrelevant vehicle at all considering it’s a brand market entry first (as the LM002 wasnt the same market) and for its demograph aims it appears to be doing well and is quite an accomplished all rounder so it seems

I seriously don’t understand the PH general dislike for utterly bonkers cars such as these, just because it isn’t in a lower slung coupe body - even though it’s still nearly equally matching top speed, 0-100, handling etc.

[Schermerhorn]

So it's a Q7 with an RS6 engine and a new body and badges?

Winner winner chicken dinner

[E65Ross]

Schermerhorn said:

So it's a Q7 with an RS6 engine and a new body and badges?

Winner winner chicken dinner

No, I think the suspension, brakes, wheels, interior etc are also different from the Q7. I thought the RS6 was around 560bhp, not 650bhp or so?

I think people on PH get confused between "platform sharing" and "the same thing".

[nickfrog]

jorders500 said:

I saddens me that this car exists.

Is more choice such a bad thing ?

[footsoldier]

E65Ross said:

Schermerhorn said:

So it's a Q7 with an RS6 engine and a new body and badges?

Winner winner chicken dinner

No, I think the suspension, brakes, wheels, interior etc are also different from the Q7. I thought the RS6 was around 560bhp, not 650bhp or so?

I think people on PH get confused between "platform sharing" and "the same thing".

Yes, plus it’s a Q8 ;-)

[dunnoreally]

I get why it exists and who it's for and I'm sure it's probably very good at what it does. But, it's still striking that nowadays, if I needed a 4x4 and wanted the most frothing lunatic available, money no object, on paper it looks to me like I should drive straight past the local Lambo dealership and go buy a Jeep GC Trackhawk.

[Pommy]

dunnoreally said:

I get why it exists and who it's for and I'm sure it's probably very good at what it does. But, it's still striking that nowadays, if I needed a 4x4 and wanted the most frothing lunatic available, money no object, on paper it looks to me like I should drive straight past the local Lambo dealership and go buy a Jeep GC Trackhawk.

Why?

[Rumblestripe]

Pommy said:

dunnoreally said:

I get why it exists and who it's for and I'm sure it's probably very good at what it does. But, it's still striking that nowadays, if I needed a 4x4 and wanted the most frothing lunatic available, money no object, on paper it looks to me like I should drive straight past the local Lambo dealership and go buy a Jeep GC Trackhawk.

Why?

I know this one.

Is it because it is hideous? Is it because it is brash and uncouth? Is it because it would look ridiculous in a Supermarket Car Park? Is it because it embodies the "look how RICH I am" mentality of our age?

If I see a nice car, a car that I will never (short of a major lottery win) be able to afford, a Porsche or an Aston perhaps, I will admire it and if I happen upon the owner/driver opine as such to them. If I see one of these, I would try not to be caught looking at the thing and would actively avoid the owner.

Yes, you can argue that choice and taste are subjective and that it sells to its market. For me the one positive that I can think of is that it is like a very expensive "COCKWOMBLE" flag and aids identification of such folk.

[Pommy]

Rumblestripe said:

Pommy said:

dunnoreally said:

I get why it exists and who it's for and I'm sure it's probably very good at what it does. But, it's still striking that nowadays, if I needed a 4x4 and wanted the most frothing lunatic available, money no object, on paper it looks to me like I should drive straight past the local Lambo dealership and go buy a Jeep GC Trackhawk.

Why?

I know this one.

Is it because it is hideous? Is it because it is brash and uncouth? Is it because it would look ridiculous in a Supermarket Car Park? Is it because it embodies the "look how RICH I am" mentality of our age?

If I see a nice car, a car that I will never (short of a major lottery win) be able to afford, a Porsche or an Aston perhaps, I will admire it and if I happen upon the owner/driver opine as such to them. If I see one of these, I would try not to be caught looking at the thing and would actively avoid the owner.

Yes, you can argue that choice and taste are subjective and that it sells to its market. For me the one positive that I can think of is that it is like a very expensive "COCKWOMBLE" flag and aids identification of such folk.

So you would actually carry such a low opinion of someone who had one to the point that you would be that judgemental as to avoid them?

How ironic that you would be such a shallow person because you would believe that anyone who drives an Urus could be such a shallow person.

Bonkers.

[Rumblestripe]

Pommy said:

Rumblestripe said:

Pommy said:

dunnoreally said:

I get why it exists and who it's for and I'm sure it's probably very good at what it does. But, it's still striking that nowadays, if I needed a 4x4 and wanted the most frothing lunatic available, money no object, on paper it looks to me like I should drive straight past the local Lambo dealership and go buy a Jeep GC Trackhawk.

Why?

I know this one.

Is it because it is hideous? Is it because it is brash and uncouth? Is it because it would look ridiculous in a Supermarket Car Park? Is it because it embodies the "look how RICH I am" mentality of our age?

If I see a nice car, a car that I will never (short of a major lottery win) be able to afford, a Porsche or an Aston perhaps, I will admire it and if I happen upon the owner/driver opine as such to them. If I see one of these, I would try not to be caught looking at the thing and would actively avoid the owner.

Yes, you can argue that choice and taste are subjective and that it sells to its market. For me the one positive that I can think of is that it is like a very expensive "COCKWOMBLE" flag and aids identification of such folk.

So you would actually carry such a low opinion of someone who had one to the point that you would be that judgemental as to avoid them?

How ironic that you would be such a shallow person because you would believe that anyone who drives an Urus could be such a shallow person.

Bonkers.

Not really, cars are designed to appeal to a certain demographic. Obviously not all Urus owners will be cockwombles but a sufficiently high percentage to justify my giving them a polite wide berth. When you see a knackered old hatchback with a drainpipe exhaust do you think, "I see Granny is off to church"? No you don't, people choose their car to reflect their personality and needs and by reverse analysis you can pretty reliably predict the personality of the driver of a particular vehicle.

[nickfrog]

Rumblestripe said:

No you don't, people choose their car to reflect their personality and needs and by reverse analysis you can pretty reliably predict the personality of the driver of a particular vehicle.

I am sure some do but generalising and applying your own standards of insecurity to others will probably do nothing but confirm your prejudice against an entire population based on their preference for a car and your dislike for that same car. I do agree that's quite a bonkers position but it's quite frequent on PH.

[E65Ross]

Rumblestripe said:

Pommy said:

Rumblestripe said:

Pommy said:

dunnoreally said:

I get why it exists and who it's for and I'm sure it's probably very good at what it does. But, it's still striking that nowadays, if I needed a 4x4 and wanted the most frothing lunatic available, money no object, on paper it looks to me like I should drive straight past the local Lambo dealership and go buy a Jeep GC Trackhawk.

Why?

I know this one.

Is it because it is hideous? Is it because it is brash and uncouth? Is it because it would look ridiculous in a Supermarket Car Park? Is it because it embodies the "look how RICH I am" mentality of our age?

If I see a nice car, a car that I will never (short of a major lottery win) be able to afford, a Porsche or an Aston perhaps, I will admire it and if I happen upon the owner/driver opine as such to them. If I see one of these, I would try not to be caught looking at the thing and would actively avoid the owner.

Yes, you can argue that choice and taste are subjective and that it sells to its market. For me the one positive that I can think of is that it is like a very expensive "COCKWOMBLE" flag and aids identification of such folk.

So you would actually carry such a low opinion of someone who had one to the point that you would be that judgemental as to avoid them?

How ironic that you would be such a shallow person because you would believe that anyone who drives an Urus could be such a shallow person.

Bonkers.

Not really, cars are designed to appeal to a certain demographic. Obviously not all Urus owners will be cockwombles but a sufficiently high percentage to justify my giving them a polite wide berth. When you see a knackered old hatchback with a drainpipe exhaust do you think, "I see Granny is off to church"? No you don't, people choose their car to reflect their personality and needs and by reverse analysis you can pretty reliably predict the personality of the driver of a particular vehicle.

The fact you would ignore the owner of a car you aspire to own just smacks of absolute insecurity to me (and others, as someone else has mentioned it).

You say everyone buys a car based on their personality? I quite like my cars, I like a wide variety of cars. I needed to sell my last car to fund a house purchase and bought a boring Toyota Corolla.....my personality is the same as when I had my last car, and if I wanted another car I'd buy something different, so does me having a Corolla mean I have suddenly changed personality to when I had the 7 series?

[dunnoreally]

Pommy said:

Why?

Well, the jeep's literally the most powerful production SUV in the world, for a start. And just the fact they took a Jeep Cherokee and crowbarred a muscle car engine into it is, to me, just pretty cool. It's also got all kinds of pretty nifty details to it which Doug Demuro goes over pretty well in his review.

I guess what really seals it for me, though, is more the mindsets behind the two cars. VAG will have known from the beginning that a Lambo SUV will always sell well, so the car's all about tweaking - in very sophisticated ways, I'm sure - an established drivetrain that's already done well in other models. Playing it safe, in other words. The Jeep's the complete opposite. When you read about its development, has been an exercise in making that engine go somewhere it really isn't meant to go, with all kinds of changes needed to even make it possible.

The Lambo, whatever else it may be, is a car designed to push for the mass market. The Jeep, on the other hand, is more of a properly bespoke skunkworks special. The Lambo's a case of playing - very well, I'm sure - to an obvious audience, whereas the Jeep's a moment of madness that barely has a right to exist. For me, that makes it the dafter, and more desirable, car.

EDIT:
Bloody hell, I didn't mean to open up this much of a can of worms! Like I say, I'm sure the Lambo's brill and there's plenty of good reasons to want one. Also, saying someone's a bad person because of the car they drive is silly. I just think the Jeep, on paper, sounds special-er, that's all.

Edited by dunnoreally on Thursday 27th December 16:53