RE: BMW M140i Finale says bye to rear-drive six-pot
Discussion
DoubleD said:
Has there ever been a good looking 1 series?
Could there ever be a good looking 1-series while they persisted with a longitudinal inline-six in a small hatchback? It certainly isn't an easy thing to package elegantly with modern hard-point clearance requirements. The new one is likely to look more generic; whether that's a good thing or a bad one depends on whether you view ugly or bland as more of a sin I guess.
ogrodz said:
Great car to drive - will be sorely missed by its fan base.
Yep, planning to buy mine at the end of the PCP. It's not perfect, or without its flaws, but I can't think what I'd want to replace it with for anything like the money. It's also an absolute pleasure to use as a daily.For the next 1 Series, BMW please.
1) Give it an option of a manual gearbox. Those of us that prefer manuals, don't give a sh*t if it's 0.2 seconds slower to 60.
2) AWD and 350bhp will be nicer than 300bhp.
3) Please for the love of God, make the next 1 series (and 2 Series) an attractive car to look at. The past 2 efforts is the reason why I've never even considered one.
1) Give it an option of a manual gearbox. Those of us that prefer manuals, don't give a sh*t if it's 0.2 seconds slower to 60.
2) AWD and 350bhp will be nicer than 300bhp.
3) Please for the love of God, make the next 1 series (and 2 Series) an attractive car to look at. The past 2 efforts is the reason why I've never even considered one.
Limpet said:
ogrodz said:
Great car to drive - will be sorely missed by its fan base.
Yep, planning to buy mine at the end of the PCP. It's not perfect, or without its flaws, but I can't think what I'd want to replace it with for anything like the money. It's also an absolute pleasure to use as a daily.After over a year of ownership in a M140i i have to agree, lovely engine... but very poor damping control. Im about to chop my in and oddly i have found a much more rewarding drive in all be it slower mk5 Golf Gti. I shall not miss almost being chucked off bumpy roads and the jarring back pain from every single hump, bump or crack in the road.
wab172uk said:
For the next 1 Series, BMW please.
1) Give it an option of a manual gearbox. Those of us that prefer manuals, don't give a sh*t if it's 0.2 seconds slower to 60.
2) AWD and 350bhp will be nicer than 300bhp.
3) Please for the love of God, make the next 1 series (and 2 Series) an attractive car to look at. The past 2 efforts is the reason why I've never even considered one.
BMW have just been on the phone to PH and confirmed that they're making this special edition for PH members only. They want to know when you're paying?1) Give it an option of a manual gearbox. Those of us that prefer manuals, don't give a sh*t if it's 0.2 seconds slower to 60.
2) AWD and 350bhp will be nicer than 300bhp.
3) Please for the love of God, make the next 1 series (and 2 Series) an attractive car to look at. The past 2 efforts is the reason why I've never even considered one.
Joking aside, the market doesn't want these types of cars now, hence why we get what we get. The people that do want them are very few in number in the grand scheme of things. How many people would buy these new? Most people who want the manual option etc will be 2nd or 3rd owners.
So for years, BMW have been telling us that their cars are "the ultimate driving machine" because they're RWD. Now they're ditching RWD. Oops.
Also found this a bit odd: "But for those of us who prioritise driving dynamics above outright pace..." Hasn't this very website criticised the M1XXi for it's flawed drving dynamics on several occasions? To the point that they spent a huge chunk (or got given) a load of upgrades to try and make one work properly in this country? Seems a bit contradictory that...
Part of me is sad that the car is dying, but I was never really that inclined to own/drive one to be honest. The 1-series has never been a great looking car, but this gen one is just a bit of a minger to me. A friend has a 2007 130i and that is much more appealing to me.
Also found this a bit odd: "But for those of us who prioritise driving dynamics above outright pace..." Hasn't this very website criticised the M1XXi for it's flawed drving dynamics on several occasions? To the point that they spent a huge chunk (or got given) a load of upgrades to try and make one work properly in this country? Seems a bit contradictory that...
Part of me is sad that the car is dying, but I was never really that inclined to own/drive one to be honest. The 1-series has never been a great looking car, but this gen one is just a bit of a minger to me. A friend has a 2007 130i and that is much more appealing to me.
I guess it was inevitable that this was going to happen to the 1 series. The only rear drive platform in it's segment? A vastly updated A class stealing it's main (premium brand hatchback) fleet sales? More expensive/less practical to have a smaller rear drive platform than adapting a current fwd one for better profit/sales figures?
When the segment above is still RWD biased for "sporty" saloons/wagons it's a shame they can't keep one USP but I understand why from a business point of view.
Plus, as others have said, a shame they never really sorted the damping, or had a standard fit LSD. But then it does have bags of character to make up for it.
Although I know it likely won't happen, I hope the 2 series stays on a RWD platform.
When the segment above is still RWD biased for "sporty" saloons/wagons it's a shame they can't keep one USP but I understand why from a business point of view.
Plus, as others have said, a shame they never really sorted the damping, or had a standard fit LSD. But then it does have bags of character to make up for it.
Although I know it likely won't happen, I hope the 2 series stays on a RWD platform.
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