RE: BMW M140i Finale says bye to rear-drive six-pot

RE: BMW M140i Finale says bye to rear-drive six-pot

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ITP

941 posts

135 months

Monday 11th February
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cerb4.5lee said:
ITP said:
iSore said:
I wouldn't have a manual box. I wouldn't even consider one for a second if buying new. Sure, 20 years ago maybe but when normal 2019 driving is considered - like crawling for miles on the M42 - a gearbox as superb as the 8 speed ZF auto would be the very first option box I ticked.

Manual gearboxes are like CD players, a thing of the past.
If most of your driving is crawling on the M42 for miles then you have bought the wrong car if you have a 140i. Or anything remotley sporty. You would be a lot better off in an automatic Honda Jazz, nice and comfy and cheap.
Surely you would eventually lose the will to live driving a Jazz though! hehe

I do understand what you are saying but you have probably gone too far to the extreme for me.
I tend to lose the will to live in traffic in anything. Might as well be something cheap so at least I’m not frustrated by having 300 plus horsepower, with all the cost that comes with it, getting nowhere faster than some old dear in a £200 fiesta.

Maybe a nice Lexus is300h is perfect for commuting in traffic. Very relaxing. Nice and luxurious.

cmoose

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43,569 posts

167 months

Monday 11th February
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ITP said:
If most of your driving is crawling on the M42 for miles then you have bought the wrong car if you have a 140i. Or anything remotley sporty. You would be a lot better off in an automatic Honda Jazz, nice and comfy and cheap.
Exactly.

Speccing a driver's car for traffic makes no sense. Suck it up in traffic and spec it for fun or buy something better suited for sitting in traffic.

832ark

742 posts

94 months

Monday 11th February
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richs2891 said:
Does any one know if the 2 series is been replaced at the same time ?
Thinking of getting the M240I but will hold off if a new one is in the offering this year
Can afford a new BMW but doesn’t know that been ≠ being.

J4CKO

26,330 posts

138 months

Monday 11th February
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Isnt the 2 series staying RWD ?

iSore

3,867 posts

82 months

Monday 11th February
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ITP said:
If most of your driving is crawling on the M42 for miles then you have bought the wrong car if you have a 140i. Or anything remotley sporty. You would be a lot better off in an automatic Honda Jazz, nice and comfy and cheap.
So, if you can only have one car, where can you drive a 140i every day that doesn't involve heavy traffic?

You realise you can manually shift a BMW auto? You have been able to since about 1996. Perhaps BMW can have a 'cassette' app on the touchscreen for this who really revel in old technology. laugh
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DoubleD

6,911 posts

46 months

Monday 11th February
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iSore said:
So, if you can only have one car, where can you drive a 140i every day that doesn't involve heavy traffic?

You realise you can manually shift a BMW auto? You have been able to since about 1996. Perhaps BMW can have a 'cassette' app on the touchscreen for this who really revel in old technology. laugh
Fair enough if you enjoy pushing a button to change gear.

va1o

15,804 posts

145 months

Monday 11th February
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Sounds suspiciously similar to the Shadow Edition we get over here so I'd be surprised if this made it over to the UK. Also I didn't think the M140i was sold in the US... scratchchin

Sounds like a nice spec though!

bern

313 posts

158 months

Monday 11th February
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The last small 6 cylinder RWD BMW, and they celebrate by giving it some extra cup holders?

What a load of bks.

ITP

941 posts

135 months

Monday 11th February
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iSore said:
ITP said:
If most of your driving is crawling on the M42 for miles then you have bought the wrong car if you have a 140i. Or anything remotley sporty. You would be a lot better off in an automatic Honda Jazz, nice and comfy and cheap.
So, if you can only have one car, where can you drive a 140i every day that doesn't involve heavy traffic?

You realise you can manually shift a BMW auto? You have been able to since about 1996. Perhaps BMW can have a 'cassette' app on the touchscreen for this who really revel in old technology. laugh
There are loads of places in the uk without heavy traffic.
I have had 3 bmw autos and one manual. ‘Manually’ shifting a bmw auto is nothing like an actual manual car. No auto is. There is a pedal missing.


aeropilot

17,022 posts

165 months

Monday 11th February
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sgtbash said:
Article states will be available in the US? Funny as they were never sold over there before!
I would bet that these won't be available in the US, and that is a typo (or the usual PH standard of article accuracy we're seeing these days whistle)
No way will BMW be going to all the aggro of type approval etc just for a run-out edition, and a run-out edition of something they've never had anyway.

neil-1323bolts

559 posts

44 months

Monday 11th February
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wab172uk said:
For the next 1 Series, BMW please.

1) Give it an option of a manual gearbox. Those of us that prefer manuals, don't give a sh*t if it's 0.2 seconds slower to 60.

2) AWD and 350bhp will be nicer than 300bhp.

3) Please for the love of God, make the next 1 series (and 2 Series) an attractive car to look at. The past 2 efforts is the reason why I've never even considered one.
This car already exists , it's called a focus RS .

SOL111

56 posts

70 months

Monday 11th February
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xjay1337 said:
Would be significantly more expensive if it was....!!!

It's a car around £30k........or at least the m135i was when it first came out.
You get an amazing engine, amazing gearbox, a nice interior, and excellent brakes - suspension is not the best, but it's not AWFUL...
I've heard this said a lot but truth is, they just got the damping wrong. On the right road it was great but over a typical A/B road it fell apart.

BMW got this so wrong, which is a shame as I could live without the LSD but couldn't live with the damping.

f1ten

1,760 posts

91 months

Monday 11th February
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I loved my late 2016 m135i in estoril blue. I actually thought it was quite a musclular looking machine. I loved the engine and I didn’t even bother remapping it. Lots of power and sounded good.

Ok the suspension was a let down on bumpy B roads as the car did fidget but 1700 would have sorted that with some new birds dampers and supspension

The rear drive set up a thrill and I enjoyed giving it a push in the wet. I also saw 155 in Germany and was impressed how quickly for a hatch back it got there.

I don’t care how good Audi rs3 drivers think they are, the skill level to pedal an m140/135 on a B road especially in the wet is on a different level

Edited by f1ten on Monday 11th February 21:34

daytona111r

376 posts

142 months

Monday 11th February
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This makes me sad.

Sofa

58 posts

30 months

Monday 11th February
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KPB1973 said:
My mistake - the mini uses an Aisin.

http://www.motoringfile.com/2014/09/17/exclusive-m...
Aren't the newer JCW MINIs getting a DCT unit? Wouldn't be surprised if that works its way into the new M130ix/M135ix/BMW A45 AMG.

jontykint

151 posts

67 months

Monday 11th February
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Monty Python said:
JackReacher said:
I think the manual may have been discontinued for emissions reasons, but it was also a low seller. Most people chose the point and squirt option.

I'm glad I went manual with my m240i, adds a bit more involvement but the auto is a good a good box.
You also can't have things like active cruise/automatic collision mitigation with manuals, and given the way the EuroNCAP is going, lacking these features will affect the rating.
My manual Mk7 Golf R had both of these in 2014

nickfrog

9,362 posts

155 months

Monday 11th February
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ITP said:
Must say, much as I like the idea of the m135/140 I think what may be a more fun road car would be a nice 2dr 125i coupe from the 08-13 era, the one with the 3.0 N52. A manual of course. With the remap to make it the same as the 130i. I think that would be plenty fast enough, and more fun using the revs rather than torque surfing of the turbo cars.
Less bork factor too and much less likely to be robbed as an extra benefit.
I had both, a 125i "Evolved" and fitted with 130i brakes and a 3dr manual M135i. Both cars were fitted with their contemporary M front LCAs to reduce the inherent understeer. I really liked the 125i and I miss it. I am currently looking for one for my son. But the M135i was a better car both on the road and track. The engine actually trumped the N52 as it had a proper top end too yet was much more interesting / challenging at lower revs from a traction management pov and that's my main issue with n/a : they are perhaps a little too user friendly to drive, not enough of a challenge.

nickfrog

9,362 posts

155 months

Monday 11th February
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SOL111 said:
I've heard this said a lot but truth is, they just got the damping wrong. On the right road it was great but over a typical A/B road it fell apart.

BMW got this so wrong, which is a shame as I could live without the LSD but couldn't live with the damping.
You're not the only one to say this but I don't agree, I think it's well judged for a "mini-GT", wheel and camber control were pretty good, but it's soft and probably slightly under damped but not catastrophically so IME. They had to optimise traction because of the lack of LSD, which is a must on those cars, like on many cars IME. I do think the LCI cars were an improvement on the suspension kinematics front though, so perhaps yours was a pre LCI ?

Scribble BM

17 posts

5 months

Monday 11th February
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I am considering keeping mine at the end of my finance more and more. The B58 engine is absolutely unreal, so much torque,power and glorious noise when you need it but surprisingly economical when don’t.

I average 31mpg with motorway runs in the low to mid 40s. I even did 49mpg on a 3 hour drive to Durham with cruise control at 65mpg to see what it could do.

I’m taking it on track day too next month to see how it copes.

Yes the suspension is a bit hard at times but my friends RS is worse. But let’s not forget that BMW had to design this suspension to be able to travel across Germany at 155mph with 5 people in the car and a boot full of luggage, so a compromise was required.

It’s not a full fat MCar, but that is brilliant as you can use it every day because consumables, servicing and insurance are all about half the cost of an M2/4.

It’s just a shame that they are so cheap that 21 year olds are jumping straight out of Fiesta STs, into an M140 before crashing it and sending everyone’s premiums up.

In any case, I think solute BMW for even producing the M135i/M140i in the first place! 😍

Tarico

55 posts

100 months

Monday 11th February
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I was wondering this week of something like this might happen. If they reintroduced the manual (and the full option list) I'd probably bite (assuming the usual BMW Fi discounts - I'm not made of money). My current M140i is a great car, but I resent not having the opportunity to get my exact spec - particularly the upgraded hifi and adaptive dampers.

But I can't see this happening, tbh. BMW UK are notorious killjoys. Now, what was that about a RWD Guillietta?