mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?

mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?

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irocfan

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26,716 posts

155 months

Saturday 23rd February 2019
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CoolC

4,082 posts

179 months

Saturday 23rd February 2019
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I was reading another article on this which I saw on LinkedIn where it said they would be able to be switched off.

The infrastructure isn't there yet to fully implement this. My car for example has TSR and yesterday misread a 30 sign and showed it as 70 on my dash.


techguyone

2,418 posts

107 months

Saturday 23rd February 2019
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I had heard about this elsewhere with the difference that it isn't to fit speed limiters to cap vehicle speed but rather like the limiter like on my MY18 Kuga where you set it to a speed and it will allow you to override but will bleep at you and you have to use harder than normal throttle pressure .

I use this feature more than the cruise to be honest, it's very useful if you want to ensure you don't get caught by anything.

That said, it's probably only as matter of time, it's all linked to the push for fully autonomous cars, as is adaptive cruise etc

Porschepro

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52 months

Saturday 23rd February 2019
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I think what they are aiming towards is automatic control of maximum speed on motorway. The driver assist on most cars can already do this but I think the aim is to be able to send a signal to all cars at some point in the future. First step towards some sort of autoomous motorway mode
https://www.webuysupercars.com/all-new-cars-to-be-...

PistonPistonPM

2 posts

27 months

Tuesday 26th February 2019
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I can not see this coming into action unless it is a drive towards automation.

GTiMike

16 posts

27 months

Thursday 28th February 2019
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ime sure there will be no way around that smile

Harry_523

222 posts

64 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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2 issues I hold with this:

1. Its widely accepted that the speed limits are what they are still to cater for the braking distances of old cars still on the road and keep emissions down. So its almost ironic that it'll be brand new cars forced to stay at the limit, whilst the old, less capable (in theory) cars that can do whatever speed they like.

2. As older cars will be able to do what ever speed they like, will insurance companies ramp up rates on these "free" cars, forcing people into new, restricted ones?

caelite

4,207 posts

77 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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GTiMike said:
ime sure there will be no way around that smile
God forbid I need to do the same thing in my own car that I do in my work truck... Fuse box above right knee, top row, 3rd fuse from left...

realjv

914 posts

131 months

Wednesday 27th March 2019
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They've never watched a NASCAR restrictor plate race have they?

PHlL

1,438 posts

104 months

Wednesday 27th March 2019
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CoolC said:
The infrastructure isn't there yet to fully implement this.
I completely agree... to an extent. I have a Mercedes which reads the speed limits signs from the mirror rather than GPS based. This does also link through to the cruise control on the car and adjusted the speed (can be overridden/turned off, I have it on)

I've taken the car the France, Spain and Germany and works flawlessly. Gives you no overtaking signs, speed limits of slip roads and of course the relevant speed limit. In France in particular, it tells you the motorway speed limit is 130, if the wipers are on occasional the sign changes to 130 / 110 when wet, and then then when wipers are on full speed it just says 110 and I'd concur they were right at each given point.

However, in the UK, it's only about 90% accurate:
It's struggles with dirty road signs.
It can't pick up the urban motorway (not smart motorway) speed limits such as the ones on the M4 at London.
It can occasionally read a sign from a parallel street. It is clearly visible to the road I'm on and probably should have been obstructed from sight, but could present a danger. One particular one is on the M1, there is a 30 slip road and if you're in lane one of the M1 it will start braking.
It can't read some temporary road work ones (the ones in bold and long text, plenty of them in Hampshire - must be the contractor).
It occasionally gives me an 80 mph speed limit on one of the M25 gantry's for the 60.
And on one occasion, the cars suddenly started braking when overtaking a roadworks van on the motorway. This was due to him having a 20mph road sign in the back of his van.

The technology works fine in Europe I've found but not the UK. The faults my system has can be avoided if road sign placement was a little better, cleaner, and by making sure the speed limit sign is of the correct size and font.

In time there's no reason it can't work. It just needs a bit of human sense checking and overridding for the time being.

Kraken

1,653 posts

165 months

Wednesday 27th March 2019
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Hard to argue against it if the technology works. Most reports are saying it's a visual indication limiter only and it's up to the driver to slow down. Presumably a full limiter system would be rolled out as the technology progresses and/or the road signage clears up.

BIG DUNC

1,830 posts

188 months

Wednesday 27th March 2019
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In the news today.
Its coming and its a speed limiter.
How will it cope at track days?

BIG DUNC

1,830 posts

188 months

Wednesday 27th March 2019
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In the news today.
Its coming and its a speed limiter.
How will it cope at track days?

techguyone

2,418 posts

107 months

Wednesday 27th March 2019
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I'm more concerned about any linked autonomous braking, We've already seen numerous reports of Quashqais unexpectedly and severely braking as an example. I don't mind something that tells me when I'm over a limit and requires me to firmly press on the throttle to over come (hell my kuga does that now, albeit I tell it the limit myself) I'm not so comfortable with it suddenly braking as it perceives a new limit where none may be. I see it on my sat nav when I'm on a motorway and under it is a regular B road with a 30 mph limit.

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DJMC

3,027 posts

68 months

Wednesday 27th March 2019
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techguyone said:
I'm more concerned about any linked autonomous braking, We've already seen numerous reports of Quashqais unexpectedly and severely braking as an example. I don't mind something that tells me when I'm over a limit and requires me to firmly press on the throttle to over come (hell my kuga does that now, albeit I tell it the limit myself) I'm not so comfortable with it suddenly braking as it perceives a new limit where none may be. I see it on my sat nav when I'm on a motorway and under it is a regular B road with a 30 mph limit.

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Our 2016 BMW X1 unexpectedly and severely braked when it thought an oncoming truck was going to hit it. I had taken absolutely no avoiding action as I could see the truck was simply following the A road centre line but a little closer to the line than usual.

This isn't connected to speed limit signs but shows me autonomous features simply will not work. The computer algorithms are not clever enough and will never match the human brain for conjecture.

Who on earth would get into a car and let it drive itself along a winding country road. You'd have a heart attack!

IAmTupperware

111 posts

36 months

Wednesday 27th March 2019
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Is this an EU only thing? I am very surprised but also impressed that we've got this far into a PH thread without mentioning brexit...

Kraken

1,653 posts

165 months

Wednesday 27th March 2019
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DJMC said:
Our 2016 BMW X1 unexpectedly and severely braked when it thought an oncoming truck was going to hit it. I had taken absolutely no avoiding action as I could see the truck was simply following the A road centre line but a little closer to the line than usual.

This isn't connected to speed limit signs but shows me autonomous features simply will not work. The computer algorithms are not clever enough and will never match the human brain for conjecture.

Who on earth would get into a car and let it drive itself along a winding country road. You'd have a heart attack!
You're falling into the trap of assuming everyone is as attentive to the road as you are. Every day I see people almost hit other vehicles that I saw clear as day from a much worse position than they were in.

wab172uk

1,839 posts

192 months

Wednesday 27th March 2019
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Harry_523 said:
2. As older cars will be able to do what ever speed they like, will insurance companies ramp up rates on these "free" cars, forcing people into new, restricted ones?
I'll happily pay what ever they want if it means keeping my old unrestricted car.

What get's me, is that the German car manufacturers will be hit the hardest by this. If all car's in Europe are restricted to max speed limit, then what is the point in anything with more than 100bhp?


Alex

9,969 posts

249 months

Wednesday 27th March 2019
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This is just typical of the EU's instinct to control our lives and remove all personal freedom and responsibility.

IAmTupperware

111 posts

36 months

Wednesday 27th March 2019
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Alex said:
This is just typical of the EU's instinct to control our lives and remove all personal freedom and responsibility.
There we go laughlaugh