mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?

mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?

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Silverage

1,032 posts

95 months

Tuesday
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Pixelpeep Z4 said:
Our E-niro 4 has a limited speed of 114mph. Gets there reasonably quick though lol
My ID3 is flat out at 99mph. I dread to think how long the battery would last at that speed though.

RSTurboPaul

5,380 posts

223 months

Tuesday
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kiethton said:
Just like a remaps which are available from every man and his dog, give it a few months and we'll be able to turn these systems off at will, ideally at the flick of a (hidden) button...
And then if you crash, the Police will be reading your ECU for the moments before you crash and checking to see if any changes have been made to the software. and if they have, your insurance company may 'decline' to pay out...


Didn't someone on here post that an M2 rolled (!!) in Scotland and the police were trying to check the electronic history?

kiethton

12,383 posts

145 months

Tuesday
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RSTurboPaul said:
kiethton said:
Just like a remaps which are available from every man and his dog, give it a few months and we'll be able to turn these systems off at will, ideally at the flick of a (hidden) button...
And then if you crash, the Police will be reading your ECU for the moments before you crash and checking to see if any changes have been made to the software. and if they have, your insurance company may 'decline' to pay out...


Didn't someone on here post that an M2 rolled (!!) in Scotland and the police were trying to check the electronic history?
Fair point in a modern car but the electrics on my Exige are akin to a car from the 80's...

RSTurboPaul

5,380 posts

223 months

Tuesday
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kiethton said:
RSTurboPaul said:
kiethton said:
Just like a remaps which are available from every man and his dog, give it a few months and we'll be able to turn these systems off at will, ideally at the flick of a (hidden) button...
And then if you crash, the Police will be reading your ECU for the moments before you crash and checking to see if any changes have been made to the software. and if they have, your insurance company may 'decline' to pay out...


Didn't someone on here post that an M2 rolled (!!) in Scotland and the police were trying to check the electronic history?
Fair point in a modern car but the electrics on my Exige are akin to a car from the 80's...
And this is why anyone sensible will be owning/buying a classic... lol

321boost

1,193 posts

35 months

Tuesday
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Fonzo said:
Soleith said:
1. Semi-regularly emergency braking kicks in. I can actually induce it somewhat on certain sections of road I drive regularly where the road turns at the top of a crest so if someone is walking on the pavement where the turn is the car thinks you're going to crash into the pedestrian and slams the brakes. Had several people behind me need to take corrective action and also emergency brake to not slam into me resulting in honking etc and then the car won't speed up for a couple of seconds. Have had Audi turn the sensitivity down but can't be disabled and still does it
travesties.
My C Class used to do this also from time to time. I decided to run the risk of disabling the system entirely, supposedly if you do crash and you've turned safety features off you can get in quite a lot of trouble.
laughlaughlaugh

Edited by 321boost on Tuesday 4th May 16:34

Welshbeef

43,986 posts

163 months

Tuesday
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kiethton said:
Just like a remaps which are available from every man and his dog, give it a few months and we'll be able to turn these systems off at will, ideally at the flick of a (hidden) button...
Don’t you think it might be stored in the memory unable to wipe - a bit like the Porsche engines which log any over revs /granny shifting.

ghost83

4,493 posts

155 months

Tuesday
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I personally won’t be interested in a new vehicle once that comes in to effect!

Older cars will start to retain value for petrolheads

Welshbeef

43,986 posts

163 months

Tuesday
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ghost83 said:
I personally won’t be interested in a new vehicle once that comes in to effect!

Older cars will start to retain value for petrolheads
Haha come off it are you honestly stating that above 112mph on the Queens highway is something that you do ?

It’s possible on some B roads, it’s possible on some A roads it’s easy on the M Way.

And it’s still 40-50mph above the speed limits this is just pulling it down from the higher speeds.

kiethton

12,383 posts

145 months

Tuesday
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Welshbeef said:
kiethton said:
Just like a remaps which are available from every man and his dog, give it a few months and we'll be able to turn these systems off at will, ideally at the flick of a (hidden) button...
Don’t you think it might be stored in the memory unable to wipe - a bit like the Porsche engines which log any over revs /granny shifting.
All of that can be coded out given the inclination...

jimPH

1,928 posts

45 months

Tuesday
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I think that's a world of difference between today's remaps and a sophisticated anti speeding system likely to be installed in future. Tampering with such a system is likely to land you in a bit of bother if it means you can speed. Much like the speed jammer, get caught with one of those and it's big trouble.

CharlesdeGaulle

16,332 posts

145 months

Tuesday
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Welshbeef said:
Haha come off it are you honestly stating that above 112mph on the Queens highway is something that you do ?

It’s possible on some B roads, it’s possible on some A roads it’s easy on the M Way.

And it’s still 40-50mph above the speed limits this is just pulling it down from the higher speeds.
I live on the continent so it's (only very slightly) different, but I've just ordered a new small estate. I discounted the Volvo V60 because it's speed limited and ordered a 3 Series instead because it isn't.

I maybe don't go that fast that often, but I want the freedom to decide when I do.

Kawasicki

9,149 posts

200 months

Tuesday
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CharlesdeGaulle said:
I live on the continent so it's (only very slightly) different, but I've just ordered a new small estate. I discounted the Volvo V60 because it's speed limited and ordered a 3 Series instead because it isn't.

I maybe don't go that fast that often, but I want the freedom to decide when I do.
Freedom? Who‘s going to campaign for freedom? Safety is a much easier concept to sell.

RECr

36 posts

16 months

Tuesday
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Pro motoring groups have been unable to come up with an argument that carries the same emotive weight as victims of RTAs. The anti motoring/anti speed people have also been better at organising themselves into pressure groups.

leef44

2,214 posts

118 months

Tuesday
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Pixelpeep Z4 said:
hammo19 said:
Don’t have a problem with the 112mph limiter, although I would if the car controlled the speed within speed limits...
Our E-niro 4 has a limited speed of 114mph. Gets there reasonably quick though lol
Think of it this way: in the future, you will have the fastest car on the road biggrin

Kawasicki

9,149 posts

200 months

Tuesday
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RECr said:
Pro motoring groups have been unable to come up with an argument that carries the same emotive weight as victims of RTAs. The anti motoring/anti speed people have also been better at organising themselves into pressure groups.
yep, facts and logic are old fashioned concepts... lived experience and emotion based judgement is where it‘s at.

ghost83

4,493 posts

155 months

Tuesday
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Welshbeef said:
Haha come off it are you honestly stating that above 112mph on the Queens highway is something that you do ?

It’s possible on some B roads, it’s possible on some A roads it’s easy on the M Way.

And it’s still 40-50mph above the speed limits this is just pulling it down from the higher speeds.
I don’t like the idea of a car automatically deciding how fast I should drive and start beeping at me if I go 5mph over the limit I also don’t like the idea of this black box recording, who’s going to see the data? Police insurance companies or is this leading us into road charging!

Nope don’t like it one bit!

I will be sorting my wife’s car out before this comes into effect next year! And my plans for my 40th is to buy something special so t will be older than 2022 anyway

Welshbeef

43,986 posts

163 months

Tuesday
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ghost83 said:
Welshbeef said:
Haha come off it are you honestly stating that above 112mph on the Queens highway is something that you do ?

It’s possible on some B roads, it’s possible on some A roads it’s easy on the M Way.

And it’s still 40-50mph above the speed limits this is just pulling it down from the higher speeds.
I don’t like the idea of a car automatically deciding how fast I should drive and start beeping at me if I go 5mph over the limit I also don’t like the idea of this black box recording, who’s going to see the data? Police insurance companies or is this leading us into road charging!

Nope don’t like it one bit!

I will be sorting my wife’s car out before this comes into effect next year! And my plans for my 40th is to buy something special so t will be older than 2022 anyway
BMW Audi Merc etc have all had 155mph limiters for decades - did that bother you?

kiethton

12,383 posts

145 months

Tuesday
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Welshbeef said:
ghost83 said:
Welshbeef said:
Haha come off it are you honestly stating that above 112mph on the Queens highway is something that you do ?

It’s possible on some B roads, it’s possible on some A roads it’s easy on the M Way.

And it’s still 40-50mph above the speed limits this is just pulling it down from the higher speeds.
I don’t like the idea of a car automatically deciding how fast I should drive and start beeping at me if I go 5mph over the limit I also don’t like the idea of this black box recording, who’s going to see the data? Police insurance companies or is this leading us into road charging!

Nope don’t like it one bit!

I will be sorting my wife’s car out before this comes into effect next year! And my plans for my 40th is to buy something special so t will be older than 2022 anyway
BMW Audi Merc etc have all had 155mph limiters for decades - did that bother you?
Yes, it was removed alongside the remap...

321boost

1,193 posts

35 months

Tuesday
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Welshbeef said:
ghost83 said:
Welshbeef said:
Haha come off it are you honestly stating that above 112mph on the Queens highway is something that you do ?

It’s possible on some B roads, it’s possible on some A roads it’s easy on the M Way.

And it’s still 40-50mph above the speed limits this is just pulling it down from the higher speeds.
I don’t like the idea of a car automatically deciding how fast I should drive and start beeping at me if I go 5mph over the limit I also don’t like the idea of this black box recording, who’s going to see the data? Police insurance companies or is this leading us into road charging!

Nope don’t like it one bit!

I will be sorting my wife’s car out before this comes into effect next year! And my plans for my 40th is to buy something special so t will be older than 2022 anyway
BMW Audi Merc etc have all had 155mph limiters for decades - did that bother you?
Yes it was removed

ddom

3,660 posts

13 months

Tuesday
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RSTurboPaul said:
And this is why anyone sensible will be owning/buying a classic... lol
RS232. Good luck smile