mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?

mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?

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tommy1973s

743 posts

136 months

Tuesday 4th May
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Welshbeef said:
ghost83 said:
Welshbeef said:
Haha come off it are you honestly stating that above 112mph on the Queens highway is something that you do ?

It’s possible on some B roads, it’s possible on some A roads it’s easy on the M Way.

And it’s still 40-50mph above the speed limits this is just pulling it down from the higher speeds.
I don’t like the idea of a car automatically deciding how fast I should drive and start beeping at me if I go 5mph over the limit I also don’t like the idea of this black box recording, who’s going to see the data? Police insurance companies or is this leading us into road charging!

Nope don’t like it one bit!

I will be sorting my wife’s car out before this comes into effect next year! And my plans for my 40th is to buy something special so t will be older than 2022 anyway
BMW Audi Merc etc have all had 155mph limiters for decades - did that bother you?
Speed limiters don't bother me. But these things will report aggressive acceleration even within speed limits and your insurer will up your premium to reflect the supposed increased risk of your aggressive driving style.

RSTurboPaul

5,501 posts

223 months

Wednesday 5th May
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321boost said:
Welshbeef said:
ghost83 said:
Welshbeef said:
Haha come off it are you honestly stating that above 112mph on the Queens highway is something that you do ?

It’s possible on some B roads, it’s possible on some A roads it’s easy on the M Way.

And it’s still 40-50mph above the speed limits this is just pulling it down from the higher speeds.
I don’t like the idea of a car automatically deciding how fast I should drive and start beeping at me if I go 5mph over the limit I also don’t like the idea of this black box recording, who’s going to see the data? Police insurance companies or is this leading us into road charging!

Nope don’t like it one bit!

I will be sorting my wife’s car out before this comes into effect next year! And my plans for my 40th is to buy something special so t will be older than 2022 anyway
BMW Audi Merc etc have all had 155mph limiters for decades - did that bother you?
Yes it was removed
hehe

Pastie Bloater

319 posts

128 months

Wednesday 5th May
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Welshbeef said:
BMW Audi Merc etc have all had 155mph limiters for decades - did that bother you?
Only when faster moving traffic didn't know


jimPH

1,950 posts

45 months

Wednesday 5th May
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Almost everyone goes faster than 70mph. 155, not so much. There's no comparison.

Welshbeef

44,095 posts

163 months

Wednesday 5th May
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jimPH said:
Almost everyone goes faster than 70mph. 155, not so much. There's no comparison.
I’d say from what I see on the road trucks nearly universally go faster than the 55mph they are “limited” to.

Rest of motorway traffic 65-85mph, I don’t think that many go over 85mph or if they do not by much and certainly not for long periods of time.

Blakewater

3,708 posts

122 months

Wednesday 5th May
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CoolHands said:
It won’t happen.
A few years ago, you would have said that about any sort of speed limiter compelling us to abide by the speed limit.

Before that, you would have said it about the speed limit reductions, speed cameras and low traffic neighbourhood road closures we have now.

Authoritarianism creeps into being little by little, with people thinking each step is perfectly reasonable as it just moves things on a bit from the last step, and no one notices just how far they've come.

Kawasicki

9,182 posts

200 months

Wednesday 5th May
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Blakewater said:
CoolHands said:
It won’t happen.
A few years ago, you would have said that about any sort of speed limiter compelling us to abide by the speed limit.

Before that, you would have said it about the speed limit reductions, speed cameras and low traffic neighbourhood road closures we have now.

Authoritarianism creeps into being little by little, with people thinking each step is perfectly reasonable as it just moves things on a bit from the last step, and no one notices just how far they've come.
Pretty much exactly my feelings. There is no actual resistance either. Most people aren’t bothered, and as a result no political party is either. Accept it or move.

Toltec

6,480 posts

188 months

Wednesday 5th May
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Silverage said:
My ID3 is flat out at 99mph. I dread to think how long the battery would last at that speed though.
Please let us know smile

I suspect the top speed will start to drop at some point well before the pack is drained, either due to heat or battery management as the charge starts to deplete and current draw becomes an issue for battery life.

liner33

8,391 posts

167 months

Wednesday 5th May
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My mate has a 112mph limiter on his Skyline and hasnt bothered removing it, to be fair I have a warning on my cars set at 100mph but would like to be able to remove the limiter on a trackday

Court_S

4,640 posts

142 months

Wednesday 5th May
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The speed limit of 112mph is largely irrelevant because outside of track days I doubt many go over 100mph regularly.

Given the annoyances with the current tech, it seems like there is a long way to go still.

The ability to record data / driving styles is probably more concerning, especially for those who are enthusiasts and enjoy the odd hoon. Whilst speed limits may not be obliterated, hard acceleration / braking might take place.

Toltec

6,480 posts

188 months

Wednesday 5th May
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Kawasicki said:
Pretty much exactly my feelings. There is no actual resistance either. Most people aren’t bothered, and as a result no political party is either. Accept it or move.
People appear to prefer everything being someone else's responsibility, so having a car that means they don't need to take responsibility for actually being able to drive safely is a plus.

Providing it has a good entertainment system, nice interior, looks premium and is replaced before it becomes a hassle to run that is fine. Ideally the replacement should be a bit greener than the old one.

NMNeil

1,736 posts

15 months

Wednesday 5th May
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jimPH said:
Almost everyone goes faster than 70mph. 155, not so much. There's no comparison.
Therein lies the problem; speed limits are being ignored.

irocfan

Original Poster:

26,755 posts

155 months

Wednesday 5th May
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liner33 said:
My mate has a 112mph limiter on his Skyline and hasnt bothered removing it, to be fair I have a warning on my cars set at 100mph but would like to be able to remove the limiter on a trackday
A trackday? TRACKDAY!!!! Won't you please think of the polar bears you Beast!


NMNeil said:
Therein lies the problem; speed limits are being ignored.
What's the phrase usually beloved by politicians?

(Paraphrasing here) "...if a law is ignored by a large percentage of people it's a poor law which should reviewed..." except, it seems, where cars are concerned

NMNeil

1,736 posts

15 months

Wednesday 5th May
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irocfan said:
What's the phrase usually beloved by politicians?

(Paraphrasing here) "...if a law is ignored by a large percentage of people it's a poor law which should reviewed..." except, it seems, where cars are concerned
But most drivers respect the speed limits, so there is no "large percentage" in this case.

Kawasicki

9,182 posts

200 months

Wednesday 5th May
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NMNeil said:
irocfan said:
What's the phrase usually beloved by politicians?

(Paraphrasing here) "...if a law is ignored by a large percentage of people it's a poor law which should reviewed..." except, it seems, where cars are concerned
But most drivers respect the speed limits, so there is no "large percentage" in this case.
Around half of drivers speed.

From https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

"Overall vehicle compliance with speed limits has remained broadly stable since 2011.The average car speeds under free flow conditions were close to the speed limit on motorways (69mph) and 30mph roads (31mph) and under the speed limit on 60mph roads (50mph)."

dcb

5,481 posts

230 months

Wednesday 5th May
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NMNeil said:
But most drivers respect the speed limits, so there is no "large percentage" in this case.
Nonsense. Not for the first time from you.

Even according to the UK Goverment's own statistics service, 47% of cars
on the motorway exceed the limit in 2020.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/vehicle-s...

I know the UK Gov ignores the science on this issue, but 47% is a pretty substantial minority.

If road safety professionals were allowed to set the limit, it would be 80 mph
and all the evidence suggests that the new limit would save lives.




NMNeil

1,736 posts

15 months

Wednesday 5th May
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dcb said:
Nonsense. Not for the first time from you.

Even according to the UK Goverment's own statistics service, 47% of cars
on the motorway exceed the limit in 2020.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/vehicle-s...

I know the UK Gov ignores the science on this issue, but 47% is a pretty substantial minority.

If road safety professionals were allowed to set the limit, it would be 80 mph
and all the evidence suggests that the new limit would save lives.
Well that's nonsense. As there is no road in the UK where there is an 80mph limit there cannot be any evidence that it's safer or more dangerous.
Say what you will, but a minority of drivers can't be trusted with a car capable of breaking the speed limit, so the obvious answer is to make the car incapable of breaking the speed limit in the first place, and that's what's happening.
I can't understand why you don't want to make the roads safer by having sped limiters fitted as standard. I'm sure you personally never break the speed limit, so it won't apply to you. But other drivers;
https://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/dangerous-drivi...

RSTurboPaul

5,501 posts

223 months

Wednesday 5th May
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NMNeil said:
dcb said:
Nonsense. Not for the first time from you.

Even according to the UK Goverment's own statistics service, 47% of cars
on the motorway exceed the limit in 2020.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/vehicle-s...

I know the UK Gov ignores the science on this issue, but 47% is a pretty substantial minority.

If road safety professionals were allowed to set the limit, it would be 80 mph
and all the evidence suggests that the new limit would save lives.
Well that's nonsense. As there is no road in the UK where there is an 80mph limit there cannot be any evidence that it's safer or more dangerous.
Say what you will, but a minority of drivers can't be trusted with a car capable of breaking the speed limit, so the obvious answer is to make the car incapable of breaking the speed limit in the first place, and that's what's happening.
I can't understand why you don't want to make the roads safer by having sped limiters fitted as standard. I'm sure you personally never break the speed limit, so it won't apply to you. But other drivers;
https://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/dangerous-drivi...
I'm sure you realise that going faster than a number on a pole does not automatically and instantly infer 'dangerous driving'.

30mph? Fine.

31mph? OMG WTF Won't somebody think of the ChiLDreN?!??!?!!?11//1!


Anyone who thinks the relationship between speed and danger is binary is lacking critical thinking skills.

Likewise, anyone who claims they never!!!! exceed a speed limit is a liar, and/or are driving dangerously by thinking driving to the number on the pole is safer than adjusting their speed down if necessary.

In a similar fashion, anyone who believes the EU claim that speed limiters will reduce road deaths by 30% would fail a basic maths test - as only c.5% of deaths involve vehicles over the speed limit, it is an impossibility that stopping vehicles going over the limit would reduce deaths by as much as the EU claims. And it also takes no account of likely increases in single vehicle crashes by those now falling asleep at the wheel through being forced to drive unnecessarily slowly on empty roads in the middle of the night, which is already peak time for single vehicle crashes.


The motorway speeds/exceedences mentioned above are averages, of course - if Govt reverted to the historic (and correct) 85th percentile approach, motorway limits would indeed be 80mph because the 85th percentile is, broadly speaking, about 79mph.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Wednesday 5th May 15:41

Court_S

4,640 posts

142 months

Wednesday 5th May
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NMNeil said:
Well that's nonsense. As there is no road in the UK where there is an 80mph limit there cannot be any evidence that it's safer or more dangerous.
Say what you will, but a minority of drivers can't be trusted with a car capable of breaking the speed limit, so the obvious answer is to make the car incapable of breaking the speed limit in the first place, and that's what's happening.
I can't understand why you don't want to make the roads safer by having sped limiters fitted as standard. I'm sure you personally never break the speed limit, so it won't apply to you. But other drivers;
https://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/dangerous-drivi...
There’s a distinct difference between driving above the speed limit on a motorway and through a residential area. Those stories that you’ve posted seem to be the latter. Driving fast passed houses, schools etc is a dick move. Given the number of people who speed on the motorway and how safe they remain there is an argument that the current limit is archaic.

DanielSan

16,126 posts

132 months

Wednesday 5th May
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Welshbeef said:
I’d say from what I see on the road trucks nearly universally go faster than the 55mph they are “limited” to.

Rest of motorway traffic 65-85mph, I don’t think that many go over 85mph or if they do not by much and certainly not for long periods of time.
If you're reading the 55mph you're being overtaken by on your cars speedo it isn't the truck going faster. HGV speed limiters are calibrated to the actual speed not within the tolerance of a cars speedometer