RE: Range Rover Evoque P250: Driven
Discussion
st4 said:
300bhp/ton said:
You are correct, some people do indeed buy cars like this for the ease of loading shopping (or kids) into. And for many looks and image will play a big part. Which the Evoque does both very well. And if you can remove you unbiased head, the Evoque isn't a bad car, even if there is something which is better.
But not everyone buys like this. Some people, maybe those in the horse community, out door pursuits (rock climbing/hiking) or farming, would actually welcome something they know they can roll in and out of fields in or up and down tracks. Something an Evoque will do very well.
As would an RX450h, Nx300h, Hyundai Santa Fe, Tuscon etc (and these all look great too).But not everyone buys like this. Some people, maybe those in the horse community, out door pursuits (rock climbing/hiking) or farming, would actually welcome something they know they can roll in and out of fields in or up and down tracks. Something an Evoque will do very well.
I’d say the evoque is the lesser of all these cars and image/looks is very questionable.
The Evoque Is a nice premium product. Yes it might appeal to the yummy mummies but that doesn't mean it's a bad car. It has a good feel factor about it. The new Evoque fixes most of the things which was bad with the old one.
Yes it's quite heavy which blunts the drive train but that has to do with the cars torsional strength to go off road and mild hybrid.
The engines are relatively new so will have had teething issues but any 4cyl diesel won't be super smooth.
BMW have been building engines for decades which is why they are supplying their V8 which really only the small end of there products. To develop a V8 is massive hence why Toyota are buying there n55 for there supra.
Support British made cars and and stop being so negative!!!
Rawwr said:
st4 said:
Rawwr said:
The blatant trolling on the Porsche thread was bad enough but the routine is pretty tired now.
I was the one being trolled. I simply posted and then responded to replies to my posts. 
st4 said:
On another thread it was mentioned JLR will start using the BMW V8. Big mistake, they'd be better buying in their entire drivetrains from Toyota and simply designing and styling the cars.
You also thought Volvo would have been better off buying in Toyota engines, and as pointed out to you then, you can't go buying whatever engine you want from whoever you want. They will not sell them to you. Car manufacturers do not take on the risk and the investment in engines so rivals don't have to.JxJ Jr. said:
You also thought Volvo would have been better off buying in Toyota engines, and as pointed out to you then, you can't go buying whatever engine you want from whoever you want. They will not sell them to you. Car manufacturers do not take on the risk and the investment in engines so rivals don't have to.
You can though. They supply engines to Lotus. Honda to Ariel, GM to lots of smaller makers. Actually GMs small block V8 would be terrific for JLR - better than BMWs. st4 said:
JxJ Jr. said:
You also thought Volvo would have been better off buying in Toyota engines, and as pointed out to you then, you can't go buying whatever engine you want from whoever you want. They will not sell them to you. Car manufacturers do not take on the risk and the investment in engines so rivals don't have to.
You can though. They supply engines to Lotus. Honda to Ariel, GM to lots of smaller makers. Actually GMs small block V8 would be terrific for JLR - better than BMWs. M4CK 1 said:
st4 said:
JxJ Jr. said:
You also thought Volvo would have been better off buying in Toyota engines, and as pointed out to you then, you can't go buying whatever engine you want from whoever you want. They will not sell them to you. Car manufacturers do not take on the risk and the investment in engines so rivals don't have to.
You can though. They supply engines to Lotus. Honda to Ariel, GM to lots of smaller makers. Actually GMs small block V8 would be terrific for JLR - better than BMWs. St4 has repeatedly demonstrated precious little understanding of the financial and operational dynamics of the auto industry. Or commerce in general for that matter.
Brooking10 said:
M4CK 1 said:
st4 said:
JxJ Jr. said:
You also thought Volvo would have been better off buying in Toyota engines, and as pointed out to you then, you can't go buying whatever engine you want from whoever you want. They will not sell them to you. Car manufacturers do not take on the risk and the investment in engines so rivals don't have to.
You can though. They supply engines to Lotus. Honda to Ariel, GM to lots of smaller makers. Actually GMs small block V8 would be terrific for JLR - better than BMWs. St4 has repeatedly demonstrated precious little understanding of the financial and operational dynamics of the auto industry. Or commerce in general for that matter.
Need to remind myself not to feed the troll
st4 said:
JxJ Jr. said:
You also thought Volvo would have been better off buying in Toyota engines, and as pointed out to you then, you can't go buying whatever engine you want from whoever you want. They will not sell them to you. Car manufacturers do not take on the risk and the investment in engines so rivals don't have to.
You can though. They supply engines to Lotus. Honda to Ariel, GM to lots of smaller makers. Actually GMs small block V8 would be terrific for JLR - better than BMWs. JxJ Jr. said:
The fact that no one really does it outside of JVs, selling/licensing older designs for emerging market use or tiny trickles to Morgan, Lotus, et al. pretty much suggests it isn't good business.
Brooking10 said:
Seriously don’t waste your time.
St4 has repeatedly demonstrated precious little understanding of the financial and operational dynamics of the auto industry. Or commerce in general for that matter.
Indeed. The ignorance and delusions of some fanboys/loyal employees/blind patriots is bewildering. Completely incapable of presenting any logical counterargument or evidence to support their view.St4 has repeatedly demonstrated precious little understanding of the financial and operational dynamics of the auto industry. Or commerce in general for that matter.
st4 said:
You do know Toyota make the best quality cars in the world.
On another thread it was mentioned JLR will start using the BMW V8. Big mistake, they'd be better buying in their entire drivetrains from Toyota and simply designing and styling the cars.
Surprising then that Toyota are using BMW engines On another thread it was mentioned JLR will start using the BMW V8. Big mistake, they'd be better buying in their entire drivetrains from Toyota and simply designing and styling the cars.
300bhp/ton said:
BFleming said:
I see positives & negatives. The good: no 3 door, which means no cabrio. Hoping it stays that way.
How can any reasonable person say such a stupid thing? Are you completely shallow and devoid of personality?I wasn't sure if you were being serious or sarcastic, but your further posts on the Cabrio makes me thing it's the former. But that's why we are all individuals - you fancy one, and I don't. Hypothetically if I wanted to drive across a muddy field without a roof (thinking Goodwood FOS or Silverstone F1 are as close as I get to a field) this would be so far down my list. Anticipating the next question, I'd probably choose a Jeep Wrangler. But I wouldn't choose one for motorway work.
BFleming said:
The three door Evoque looked odd. Maybe I never got used to seeing enough of them.
I wasn't sure if you were being serious or sarcastic, but your further posts on the Cabrio makes me thing it's the former. But that's why we are all individuals - you fancy one, and I don't. Hypothetically if I wanted to drive across a muddy field without a roof (thinking Goodwood FOS or Silverstone F1 are as close as I get to a field) this would be so far down my list. Anticipating the next question, I'd probably choose a Jeep Wrangler. But I wouldn't choose one for motorway work.
Personally I quite like the 3 door. I have a 3 door Freelander parked outside the house now.I wasn't sure if you were being serious or sarcastic, but your further posts on the Cabrio makes me thing it's the former. But that's why we are all individuals - you fancy one, and I don't. Hypothetically if I wanted to drive across a muddy field without a roof (thinking Goodwood FOS or Silverstone F1 are as close as I get to a field) this would be so far down my list. Anticipating the next question, I'd probably choose a Jeep Wrangler. But I wouldn't choose one for motorway work.
Yes the convertible appeals, but I like open top motoring in general. The Evoque just adds an extra dimension that it could be perfectly good day in, day out. But then be used for other activities too that aren't on tarmac.
In the summer during harvest time driving through fields like this with the roof down has real appeal (for me at least).
And it's not as if Land Rover don't have a bit of a history producing topless vehicles....
300bhp/ton said:
In the summer during harvest time driving through fields like this with the roof down has real appeal (for me at least).
I get that. I learned how to drive (& drift) in fields like that in a Fiat 124 Special (with a Mirafiori engine transplant) - immense fun, almost 40 years ago!I get the 3 door Freelander, even the convertible effort they made of the first gen ones. But the Evoque convertible... more Kings Road than off-road.
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