RE: Range Rover Evoque P250: Driven

RE: Range Rover Evoque P250: Driven

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st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Friday 15th March
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Ares said:
Yes, because taking one of history's best engine manufacturers is automatically a bad move.
Are you on smack?

BMW's make some of the worst engines to go in a car.

BFleming

900 posts

82 months

Friday 15th March
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300bhp/ton said:
In the summer during harvest time driving through fields like this with the roof down has real appeal (for me at least).
I get that. I learned how to drive (& drift) in fields like that in a Fiat 124 Special (with a Mirafiori engine transplant) - immense fun, almost 40 years ago!
I get the 3 door Freelander, even the convertible effort they made of the first gen ones. But the Evoque convertible... more Kings Road than off-road.

Burwood

11,392 posts

185 months

Friday 15th March
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st4 said:
Ares said:
Yes, because taking one of history's best engine manufacturers is automatically a bad move.
Are you on smack?

BMW's make some of the worst engines to go in a car.
Not their 6 cyl and V8/V10. Won more awards than any other manufacturer for this class of engine.

st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Friday 15th March
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Burwood said:
Not their 6 cyl and V8/V10. Won more awards than any other manufacturer for this class of engine.
The V10 that has massive bork factor or the V8 that leaks oil everywhere. Or their famous diesels with the self destructing timing gear.

Cold

6,343 posts

29 months

Friday 15th March
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There's a good road test report in this week's Autocar about the new Evoque. It's written by Matt Saunders.

Interestingly, it includes this little passage across pages 39 and 41:




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JxJ Jr.

52 posts

9 months

Friday 15th March
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And Auto Express' review has this little passage:

"To recap, the new Evoque sits on a very heavily modified version of its old D8 platform – different enough, it seems, to earn a new name: Premium Transverse Architecture."

dmsims

2,722 posts

206 months

Friday 15th March
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JxJ Jr. said:
Premium Transverse Architecture.
Imagine the real cost of making that BS up!

Cold

6,343 posts

29 months

Friday 15th March
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Looks like we all finally agree that it's a new platform.

av185

7,732 posts

66 months

Friday 15th March
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dmsims said:
JxJ Jr. said:
Premium Transverse Architecture.
Ah yes PTA.

Parents Teachers Association confirms it's definitely a vehicle for the school run.

JxJ Jr.

52 posts

9 months

Friday 15th March
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Cold said:
Looks like we all finally agree that it's a new platform...in name only
Yes. Yes we do.

nickfrog

9,486 posts

156 months

Friday 15th March
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st4 said:
Ares said:
Surprising then that Toyota are using BMW engines laugh
It could be their downfall. It’s a bad move in the long term.
I assume you will call them and offer your automotive consultancy services and they will pay you handsomely. Hang on, haven't your services been snapped up by JLR following that infamous thread where you devised their long term industrial strategy ?

Burwood

11,392 posts

185 months

Friday 15th March
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JxJ Jr. said:
Cold said:
Looks like we all finally agree that it's a new platform...in name only
Yes. Yes we do.
Lol

M4CK 1

266 posts

66 months

Friday 15th March
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Cold said:
Looks like we all finally agree that it's a new platform.
I have been also preaching this but people believe what they want to believe!!
Can't help themselves!!

BVB

596 posts

92 months

Saturday 16th March
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Looks identical to the tacky sack of crap that was the previous Evoque?

Max_Torque

13,352 posts

156 months

Saturday 16th March
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Burwood said:
st4 said:
Ares said:
Yes, because taking one of history's best engine manufacturers is automatically a bad move.
Are you on smack?

BMW's make some of the worst engines to go in a car.
Not their 6 cyl and V8/V10. Won more awards than any other manufacturer for this class of engine.
Even the cooking BMW 3 & 4 cylinder engines are actually best in class in terms of performance, emissions and economy!

In order to be "best in class" they are necessarily more highly strung, and more complex than some other competitor engines and as a result they can suffer from more reliability issues. I say "can" because as a percentage, i'm not sure BMW engines are any worse for reliability than anyone else's, and they tend to be used harder, and owned by people who are much more likely to complain ime.

st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Saturday 16th March
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Max_Torque said:
, i'm not sure BMW engines are any worse for reliability than anyone else's,
They are.

Cold

6,343 posts

29 months

Saturday 16th March
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JxJ Jr. said:
Cold said:
Looks like we all finally agree that it's a new platform.
You were right all along.
Easy innit. thumbup

cmoose

43,896 posts

168 months

Saturday 16th March
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JxJ Jr. said:
Cold said:
Looks like we all finally agree that it's a new platform...in name only
Yes. Yes we do.
It's ultimately hard to know at this point.

Manufacturers are not averse to over-stating the newness of platforms and journalists usually aren't in a position to take a critical view. In this case, there's clearly a marketing / PR incentive for JLR to distance whatever platform they are using from being characterised as a glorified Ford EUCD platform, circa 2006. Which isn't to say that it's definitely not a new platform, but the information available is patchy and at least a little inconsistent.

There are references to the Premium Transverse Architecture being both all-new and a development of D8. If I had to put money on it, I'd put it on PTA being D8 derived.

Ares

8,031 posts

59 months

Saturday 16th March
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Burwood said:
st4 said:
Ares said:
Yes, because taking one of history's best engine manufacturers is automatically a bad move.
Are you on smack?

BMW's make some of the worst engines to go in a car.
Not their 6 cyl and V8/V10. Won more awards than any other manufacturer for this class of engine.
And the original CSL/CSi straight 6 engine
And the M1's (and 635csi/E28 M5) straight 6 engine
And the E30 M3s 4-pot
And the 2002 Turbo 4-pot
And the E46 M4s 3.2 Straight 6
And the E90 M3s V8
And the Z8's V8
And the McLaren F1 V12
And the original 520/525/320/325 straight 6 engine
And the original 330d engine
And the 35i engine (and now 40i)
And the 1500cc 4-cyl turbo
And the i8's 1.5 petrol hybrid


st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Saturday 16th March
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Ares said:
And the original CSL/CSi straight 6 engine
And the M1's (and 635csi/E28 M5) straight 6 engine
And the E30 M3s 4-pot
And the 2002 Turbo 4-pot
And the E46 M4s 3.2 Straight 6
And the E90 M3s V8
And the Z8's V8
And the McLaren F1 V12
And the original 520/525/320/325 straight 6 engine
And the original 330d engine
And the 35i engine (and now 40i)
And the 1500cc 4-cyl turbo
And the i8's 1.5 petrol hybrid
A lot of these have serious mechanical issues...