Annoying but unimportant features on cars

Annoying but unimportant features on cars

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RobDown

3,185 posts

67 months

Friday 15th March
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Headlamp washers on ordinary saloon cars

RobM77

31,959 posts

173 months

Friday 15th March
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Tom_Spotley_When said:
RobM77 said:
Tom_Spotley_When said:
RobM77 said:
xactly my point. What's the point of the three flashes mode? Indicators should be switched on before a manoeuvre, with sufficient warning for others to know what you're aiming to do next, and then left on during the manoeuvre. Almost always that means more than three flashes, so what's the point of three flashes? I can't think of any sequence that can be safely completed within the time three flashes gives you.
Overtaking a slow moving car on a relatively empty dual carriageway. No-one behind, but a quick courtesy click to overtake, click to move back in.

Job done.
Empty apart from the motorbike hanging in your blind spot that you haven't seen?.. wink Being in the wrong doesn't mean they deserve to headbutt tarmac at 70mph. Truth is, nobody's observation is perfect, which is why signalling exists in the first place; it's a safety net in case you screw up in your observation that the road is "relatively empty" - we've all done it.

As stated above; two flashes whilst people around you work out what's about to happen leaves one flash for the manoeuvre, which isn't enough.
The 30,000 miles I did in my BMW with the three flash thing left motorcyclists the length and breadth of the land terrified; fighting for their lives each time I dared to not indicate 4 times when overtaking someone.

I suspect it's one of those things that is only really thought about by people who overthink driving.
I guess it depends on your view of statistics. Accidents are rare occurrences. I do about 25,000 miles a year and will do around 1.5 million miles in my lifetime. If 75% of my mileage is on the motorway and I do a lane change every 5 miles, that's about a quarter of a million lane changes. If my observation is accurate 99.99% of the time, that's 25 times I fail to spot something in my driving life.

Cal_0

5 posts

1 month

Friday 15th March
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My Mk7 golf seems to not release the parking brake if drivers seat belt is not clipped in.

Very annoying when I just want to shift the cars around on the drive or move it to the road.

mrbarnett

290 posts

32 months

Friday 15th March
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In my XK, the front parking sensors are usually more bother than they're worth, going off in traffic or when reversing in a tight space. Combined with the rear sensors (which are much more useful, as they only come on when going backwards), the cabin becomes a symphony of bongs and beeps.

The XK is of the generation of luxury car where almost all non-driving controls are buried in a touch screen (covered already here - looks cool but needs a co-pilot to use safely when driving), yet Jaguar chose to fit a real button to turn the front sensors off. Somehow I get the feeling this was added late into development with some resignation.

ocrx8

718 posts

135 months

Friday 15th March
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RobDown said:
Headlamp washers on ordinary saloon cars
Headlamp washers in general.
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ericmcn

1,241 posts

36 months

Friday 15th March
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ocrx8 said:
Headlamp washers in general.
dont see the issue with them, Xenon equipped cars will most likely have them fitted as standard - would you rather have no washer and manually clean the lens or rather wiper blades that would damage the lens housing. All my last 4 cars had washers and I did not find them in anyway troublesome.

"Headlamp washers originated in Scandinavia. From 1972 up to the early 1990s, they were compulsory in Sweden and today almost all cars in the country are supplied with them - even if they have halogen headlamps. The nozzles for the high-pressure washing system spray the water onto the headlamp lenses with pressures of up to 50 bar. Using unsuitable antifreeze or insect remover in the summertime can wreak all kind of damage. The headlamp lenses are dulled prematurely: New headlamps are expensive - much more expensive than buying antifreeze and the like from a reputable brand."

TommoAE86

1,709 posts

66 months

Friday 15th March
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300bhp/ton said:
Gary C said:
piped noise
I don't get the hatred for this. Is there general lack of understanding on what it is and how it works?
I think it's the fake ones that draw the most anger. Making your Clio sound like a Clio V6/Clio racer is sort of ok I guess, but making it sound like a different car or bike brand is pointless and for me I can't fathom what use that does as you're still looking at the steering wheel badge despite the noise of another car.

For me I don't see why it's necessary, it's a personal choice between comfort and isolation or more noise and feel and for me I'd choose a drop in NVH for more aural pleasure.


300bhp/ton

36,060 posts

129 months

Friday 15th March
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TommoAE86 said:
I think it's the fake ones that draw the most anger. Making your Clio sound like a Clio V6/Clio racer is sort of ok I guess, but making it sound like a different car or bike brand is pointless and for me I can't fathom what use that does as you're still looking at the steering wheel badge despite the noise of another car.

For me I don't see why it's necessary, it's a personal choice between comfort and isolation or more noise and feel and for me I'd choose a drop in NVH for more aural pleasure.
But the piped noise is the noise the engine makes. It is sort of doing the same thing a gramophone or acoustic guitar body does.

tannhauser

1,036 posts

154 months

Friday 15th March
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300bhp/ton said:
TommoAE86 said:
I think it's the fake ones that draw the most anger. Making your Clio sound like a Clio V6/Clio racer is sort of ok I guess, but making it sound like a different car or bike brand is pointless and for me I can't fathom what use that does as you're still looking at the steering wheel badge despite the noise of another car.

For me I don't see why it's necessary, it's a personal choice between comfort and isolation or more noise and feel and for me I'd choose a drop in NVH for more aural pleasure.
But the piped noise is the noise the engine makes. It is sort of doing the same thing a gramophone or acoustic guitar body does.
I think most people who object to "piped noise" are, as the poster above describes, objecting to synthetic noise played over the ICE.

RobDown

3,185 posts

67 months

Friday 15th March
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ericmcn said:
dont see the issue with them, Xenon equipped cars will most likely have them fitted as standard - would you rather have no washer and manually clean the lens or rather wiper blades that would damage the lens housing. All my last 4 cars had washers and I did not find them in anyway troublesome.

"Headlamp washers originated in Scandinavia. From 1972 up to the early 1990s, they were compulsory in Sweden and today almost all cars in the country are supplied with them - even if they have halogen headlamps. The nozzles for the high-pressure washing system spray the water onto the headlamp lenses with pressures of up to 50 bar. Using unsuitable antifreeze or insect remover in the summertime can wreak all kind of damage. The headlamp lenses are dulled prematurely: New headlamps are expensive - much more expensive than buying antifreeze and the like from a reputable brand."
They never work properly - you just get some soapy water all over the bonnet of the car and and any nearby pedestrians. And they’re entirely unnecessary. On an off-roader maybe (hence my saloon comment). But in 30 years for driving I can’t recall a situation where I’ve thought “I can’t see at night because my headlamps are too dirty “

Shiv_P

1,585 posts

44 months

Friday 15th March
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Slow said:
STe_rsv4 said:
Seat belt warning boings (bmw). Yes I know my seat belt is unfastened, I only intend to drive from the car park to xxx, I know tb risks involved in this 4mph journey. I don't need a Fkin constant reminder my seatbelt is undone now fk off!
Basically every car does this now. So damn annoying when im just going down my driveway to put the bins out, or to the yard to grab something. I highly doubt im going to be needing my seatbelt at 20/25 mph on my driveway....
You put the bins out in your car?

Getragdogleg

5,663 posts

122 months

Friday 15th March
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Bee beep beep, (you put the keys in the ignition) beep beep beep (keys in ignition) beep beep beep etc....

I know they keys are in the ignition I put them there you fking stupid thing.

carlove

5,204 posts

106 months

Friday 15th March
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mrbarnett said:
In my XK, the front parking sensors are usually more bother than they're worth, going off in traffic or when reversing in a tight space. Combined with the rear sensors (which are much more useful, as they only come on when going backwards), the cabin becomes a symphony of bongs and beeps.

The XK is of the generation of luxury car where almost all non-driving controls are buried in a touch screen (covered already here - looks cool but needs a co-pilot to use safely when driving), yet Jaguar chose to fit a real button to turn the front sensors off. Somehow I get the feeling this was added late into development with some resignation.
I agree about front parking sensors, never had them in my own car but was in a Renault Captur hire car and reversing into my driveway was really annoying, as they were beeping constantly even though I was nowhere near the gates, but it was really off putting, luckily found the button to turn it off. Annoyingly though I found the rear sensors quite useful as it's quite a tall car (also had a camera) but switching the front off turned the back off as well.


Ructions

3,267 posts

60 months

Friday 15th March
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TG105 said:
JLR sat nav, specifically Disco 4. It would continually take me off dual carriageways only to guide me back on the same road once I was on the slip road. Infuriating.
Worst sat nav I’ve ever used, assuming it’s the same as our XF. Tend to use google maps on the phone.

Pistonheader101

894 posts

46 months

Friday 15th March
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Ructions said:
TG105 said:
JLR sat nav, specifically Disco 4. It would continually take me off dual carriageways only to guide me back on the same road once I was on the slip road. Infuriating.
Worst sat nav I’ve ever used, assuming it’s the same as our XF. Tend to use google maps on the phone.
Waze is good too

130R

5,868 posts

145 months

Friday 15th March
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I had a BMW M235i and if you braked too hard it would think you were having an accident and automatically engage the hazard lights. Managed to set this off about 5 times in the 2 years I had the car ..

Munter

28,404 posts

180 months

Friday 15th March
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130R said:
I had a BMW M235i and if you braked too hard it would think you were having an accident and automatically engage the hazard lights. Managed to set this off about 5 times in the 2 years I had the car ..
Not uncommon to see that on cars approaching roundabouts on NSL roads/dual carriageways.

Car: "we're all gonna die arrghhhh!!" oh no actually the driver knew what they were doing...never mind, carry on.

130R

5,868 posts

145 months

Friday 15th March
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Munter said:
Not uncommon to see that on cars approaching roundabouts on NSL roads/dual carriageways.

Car: "we're all gonna die arrghhhh!!" oh no actually the driver knew what they were doing...never mind, carry on.
Yeah it's pretty embarrassing (also takes a few seconds to work out what just happened). Was NSL roundabout every time ..

drtom

8 posts

1 month

Friday 15th March
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My Nissan 350gt-8 beeps the whole time you're in reverse frown

RDMcG

12,981 posts

146 months

Friday 15th March
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The entire Porsche PCM thing. Comminications management.
Some of the features:

I can electronically fold the mirrors from my phone app

I can see how much fuel is in the car from my desk

I can find out the price of fuel nearby.

They need to recruit someone from Apple or Nissan to build something helpful. The twaddle in the current system is truly pathetic.