RE: Tesla Model Y released

Friday 15th March

Tesla Model Y gets 3.5 second 0-60mph potential

Elon Musk completes his 'S3XY' model line up with Model 3-derived seven-seat crossover



Love him or hate him, Elon Musk has certainly shaken up the automotive world when it comes to electric vehicles. Would the established car makers be as far down the path with their EV plans if it wasn't for Tesla? It's certainly up for debate. Now the Tesla range (no pun intended) has been bolstered further with this, the new Model Y.

A crossover-SUV-SAC creation, the Y shares 75 per cent of its parts with the Model 3 - hence the similarity in design. The key difference here, as you may have guessed, is the increase in interior space over the 3. Tesla says the Y "has the functionality of an SUV, but rides like a sports car"; that extends to having a third row of seats optionally available, the seven-seat Y available from 2021.


The rest of the interior is as you were for the other Teslas: note the lack of conventional instruments, and the main control screen that measures 15 inches across. The cabin is said to be "built around the driver", the combination of elevated seating and a low dash giving "a commanding view of the road ahead". All Model Ys will come with a panoramic glass roof, too.

As for performance, the Y will be initially launched next year with Long Range, Dual-Motor All-Wheel Drive and Performance models. Long Range is said to deliver 300 miles of range, 60mph in 5.5 seconds and 130mph; the Dual-Motor AWD drops the 0-60 time to below five seconds and has 280 miles of range, while the Performance is claimed to complete the sprint in 3.5 seconds, as well as offering 150mph and 280 miles of range. A more prosaic Standard Range (120mph, 5.9 seconds, 230 miles) will join the other models in 2021.


As for charging, all Ys will be compatible with Tesla's third-gen, 250kW Superchargers, now capable of providing enough juice for 75 miles driving in five minutes. Older Superchargers are being updated with the technology, too.

Elon Musk tweeted from the launch event: "Model Y, being an SUV, is about 10% bigger than Model 3, so will cost about 10% more and have slightly less range for same battery." Therefore prices will kick off at $39,000 in the US for the Standard Range (when it's available), or $47,000 for the Long Range. Another $4k gets the Dual Motor Y, with the Performance topping the range at $60k. As is often the way with Teslas, it'll be little while before we get the Y in the UK, but who would bet against there being a glut of orders as soon as they are?

 

 

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Iamnotkloot

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248 posts

86 months

Friday 15th March
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Does it have to be this ugly?

BigChiefmuffinAgain

91 posts

37 months

Friday 15th March
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"Elon Musk tweeted from the launch event: "Model Y, being an SUV, is about 10% bigger than Model 3, so will cost about 10% more..."

This is quite a revolutionary new pricing model , whereby cars are charged by the yard.... Does not bode well for Skoda.

I know you shouldn't judge a car by it's pictures but it does look a slightly ill-proportioned thing.

aarondbs

641 posts

85 months

Friday 15th March
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It’s not a looker is it? I’m working over in the US this week and drove from Fort Lauderdale to Orlando and back yesterday. Fortunately in a SIXT 7 seat Mercedes GLS450. At 18mpg (and I was pulled over and given a warning for travelling at 97mph) I did need to fill up which was a matter of minutes.

My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in a Tesla. My meeting was on a downtown industrial estate and the hotel I am staying at does not have a charge point. I liked the noise the engine made in the Mercedes and I liked its slightly shonky character but these Teslas do nothing for me, and yes I have driven one, a P something or other saloon. They look cheap, feel cheap and are not cheap. All in my opinion of course.

And yes before anyone says it i do a journey like this at least once a week. Last week was Chesterfield to Cardiff and back arriving home at 2am and back in the office for 7am so again a Tesla and an Taxi May have been required!

shalmaneser

3,538 posts

134 months

Friday 15th March
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aarondbs said:
It’s not a looker is it? I’m working over in the US this week and drove from Fort Lauderdale to Orlando and back yesterday. Fortunately in a SIXT 7 seat Mercedes GLS450. At 18mpg (and I was pulled over and given a warning for travelling at 97mph) I did need to fill up which was a matter of minutes.

My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in a Tesla. My meeting was on a downtown industrial estate and the hotel I am staying at does not have a charge point. I liked the noise the engine made in the Mercedes and I liked its slightly shonky character but these Teslas do nothing for me, and yes I have driven one, a P something or other saloon. They look cheap, feel cheap and are not cheap. All in my opinion of course.

And yes before anyone says it i do a journey like this at least once a week. Last week was Chesterfield to Cardiff and back arriving home at 2am and back in the office for 7am so again a Tesla and an Taxi May have been required!
Thanks for sharing your valuable insight. Who would have guessed a journey over 300 miles without the opportunity to recharge would not be ideal for a Tesla!? The scales have truly fallen from my eyes.

Peronally I think it's quite good looking, and will no doubt be ideal for the school run which can currently only be attempted in a diesel 4x4 around my parts for some reason.

Oz83

365 posts

78 months

Friday 15th March
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aarondbs said:
It’s not a looker is it? I’m working over in the US this week and drove from Fort Lauderdale to Orlando and back yesterday. Fortunately in a SIXT 7 seat Mercedes GLS450. At 18mpg (and I was pulled over and given a warning for travelling at 97mph) I did need to fill up which was a matter of minutes.

My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in a Tesla. My meeting was on a downtown industrial estate and the hotel I am staying at does not have a charge point. I liked the noise the engine made in the Mercedes and I liked its slightly shonky character but these Teslas do nothing for me, and yes I have driven one, a P something or other saloon. They look cheap, feel cheap and are not cheap. All in my opinion of course.

And yes before anyone says it i do a journey like this at least once a week. Last week was Chesterfield to Cardiff and back arriving home at 2am and back in the office for 7am so again a Tesla and an Taxi May have been required!
Not for you then is it. Lucky nobody is forcing you to buy (or rent) one.
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MrwReckless

100 posts

58 months

Friday 15th March
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I for one quite like the design of this. In the eye of the beholder and all that, but I have to admit I find it a bit funny that the early comments around the UK websites seems almost universally negative towards it's looks.

I saw my first model 3 yesterday and have to admit it looked much better IRL than on photos so I am guessing/hoping that will be the case for the Y too.

Regards

dazwalsh

4,213 posts

80 months

Friday 15th March
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7 seats with that roofline? Give over.

997s

65 posts

167 months

Friday 15th March
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One question. Y?

Macboy

395 posts

144 months

Friday 15th March
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Like the artists used on the movie CARS were asked to draw an SUV. Just ridiculous to my eye.

essayer

5,897 posts

133 months

Friday 15th March
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dazwalsh said:
7 seats with that roofline? Give over.
I can’t even imagine my dog in the back, let alone two extra seats

3795mpower

292 posts

69 months

Friday 15th March
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when we say this year surely we mean U.K deliveries sometime
This century ?

My Dad has waited so long for the famed 3 that he’s gone off the idea,
Audi and all are about to get the jump on Tesla.

Not everyone wants a plastic dash and a touchscreen !

humphra

40 posts

31 months

Friday 15th March
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aarondbs said:
It’s not a looker is it? I’m working over in the US this week and drove from Fort Lauderdale to Orlando and back yesterday. Fortunately in a SIXT 7 seat Mercedes GLS450. At 18mpg (and I was pulled over and given a warning for travelling at 97mph) I did need to fill up which was a matter of minutes.

My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in a Tesla. My meeting was on a downtown industrial estate and the hotel I am staying at does not have a charge point. I liked the noise the engine made in the Mercedes and I liked its slightly shonky character but these Teslas do nothing for me, and yes I have driven one, a P something or other saloon. They look cheap, feel cheap and are not cheap. All in my opinion of course.

And yes before anyone says it i do a journey like this at least once a week. Last week was Chesterfield to Cardiff and back arriving home at 2am and back in the office for 7am so again a Tesla and an Taxi May have been required!
Blimey, this touched a few nerves! Personally I think they're good points that have been made. Range, charging points and charging times are currently inhibitors to widespread adoption. Improvements are behind made, but the ICE still has the advantage for the time being.

simonrockman

5,738 posts

194 months

Friday 15th March
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Osborne effect. Watch all the Model 3 orders evaporate as people wait for the Y. Not because the Y is any better but because it's the newest thing and this is the iPhone generation.

corden

62 posts

73 months

Friday 15th March
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essayer said:
dazwalsh said:
7 seats with that roofline? Give over.
I can’t even imagine my dog in the back, let alone two extra seats
Apparently the 2 rear seats are optional and, despite appearing to be very limited indeed, are (in my opinion) a nice addition that the similarly sized X3/GLC/XC60 don’t offer at all.

st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Friday 15th March
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It might not be a looker but crumbs these offer a lot of room and performance and for a premium family sized EV that is used around town look a good bet.

Harry_523

87 posts

38 months

Friday 15th March
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Just get an I-pace...

danp

1,244 posts

201 months

Friday 15th March
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dazwalsh said:
7 seats with that roofline? Give over.
I’d guess they’d be the rear facing type (as per model S)...even so looks like it’d be a squeeze.

Jon_S_Rally

223 posts

27 months

Friday 15th March
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I wish people would stop pretending that this and the Model X are SUVs. How much ground clearance does it have exactly? Can it tow a caravan? 15-20 years ago, these would be identified as exactly what they are - people carriers/MPVs. It's just that SUV sounds more glamorous.

Also, Tesla are certainly not the only ones guilty of this, but they are probably the ones embracing it the most - when is someone going to admit that massive, distracting touchscreens in cars are utterly idiotic. Sooner or later, there's going to be a massive crash and it will turn out the driver who caused it was trying to change the temperature in the car, or find a good radio station, but had to take his/her eyes off the road to look at the screen. A screen in a car has its uses, but making it control most of the major functions is mental. The great thing about a good old fashioned knob is that you can operate it by touch alone, rather than having to look to see where exactly you're touching it. Until cars have fully autonomous capability, big screens remain a bad idea.

In many ways, I admire what Tesla have achieved. They've certainly forced OEMs to make progress with EVs, but I'm not sure I see them as a long term fixture of the automotive industry. I think the big manufacturers will soon start to offer alternatives that make Tesla look a bit poor. By most accounts, the quality isn't brilliant and they are certainly struggling with mass manufacturing, both things which the established manufacturers know inside out.

What might help them is if they drop all this sub-5 second 0-60 business to impress people. Make a Golf-sized EV that does 0-60 in 8-10 seconds, looks like a normal car, is built as well as a normal car, can do 5-600 miles between charges. and is priced like a normal car. That's the EV the general market actually needs, not something with "ludicrous" mode for children in adult bodies that have money to burn.

sjg

5,933 posts

204 months

Friday 15th March
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Nope - they do look very small though.


munkyelise

5 posts

54 months

Friday 15th March
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If it doesn't have a range that can take you on a day out and get you back home again, then what is the point ?
Also, when they predicted electric cars as 'the future' all the pictures where sexy and space age ....