RE: Tesla Model Y released

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MDL111

3,248 posts

116 months

Friday 15th March
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essayer said:
MDL111 said:
Doesn’t make them or me a cretin ....

My driving last week
Thursday 600 km at Autobahn speeds
Friday 600 km at Autobahn speeds
Saturday 150 km at Autobahn speeds
Sunday 930 km
Then a little town driving for 2 days living in a French city where there were no charging points
Thursday 930 km
Wow, sounds really fun.

I don’t do that sort of mileage, so I did it all in an EV.
Yeah well there is more fun to be had with other driving, luckily don’t do that all the time.

alfabadass

1,840 posts

138 months

Friday 15th March
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I think Tesla are missing a trick not releasing a Golf sized car or smaller.

Jader1973

1,782 posts

139 months

Friday 15th March
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Jon_S_Rally said:
What might help them is if they drop all this sub-5 second 0-60 business to impress people. Make a Golf-sized EV that does 0-60 in 8-10 seconds, looks like a normal car, is built as well as a normal car, can do 5-600 miles between charges. and is priced like a normal car. That's the EV the general market actually needs, not something with "ludicrous" mode for children in adult bodies that have money to burn.
I read an interview with the guy in charge of developing the Mercedes EQC. He said one of the biggest challenges they had was getting the drivability right. The instant torque meant they found it harder than an ICE to get it how they wanted it.

AshD

83 posts

188 months

Friday 15th March
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I don’t get the level of polarisation of views, ICE vs electric.

EV’s will work for lots of people, but not all.

I’ve had a Tesla and everything from a v8 esprit to my current Up Gti.

I love fun, interesting cars...i figured that was what pistonheads was for!?

Without doubt Musk has massively influenced the entire industry even if Tesla ultimately fails. Audi / Merc / Porsche will have better build quality, but Tesla’s vertical integration and charging infrastructure are massive advantages.

Whatever happens it’s going to be interesting and fun to watch.

RobDickinson

25,238 posts

193 months

Friday 15th March
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Jon_S_Rally said:
What might help them is if they drop all this sub-5 second 0-60 business to impress people. Make a Golf-sized EV that does 0-60 in 8-10 seconds, looks like a normal car, is built as well as a normal car, can do 5-600 miles between charges. and is priced like a normal car. That's the EV the general market actually needs, not something with "ludicrous" mode for children in adult bodies that have money to burn.
Thats not how EVs work.

To get range you need an efficient car with a large battery. A large battery can give you range and a lot of power, electric motors are small light and relatively cheap so why not put in motors that can go fast, theres little point in not doing it.

Range means a large battery which means cost and weight for now, but we are still only on the 3rd gen of tesla cars and it has 300 miles of range, charges at 250kwh and weighs (for a 3) around 1850kg so about 200 more than the equivalence ice, all of this will only improve over time.

I'm sure once the Pickup truck is done tesla will look to move into smaller hatchbacks etc but it is a long way down the road for them.
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MDL111

3,248 posts

116 months

Friday 15th March
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AshD said:
I don’t get the level of polarisation of views, ICE vs electric.

EV’s will work for lots of people, but not all.

I’ve had a Tesla and everything from a v8 esprit to my current Up Gti.

I love fun, interesting cars...i figured that was what pistonheads was for!?

Without doubt Musk has massively influenced the entire industry even if Tesla ultimately fails. Audi / Merc / Porsche will have better build quality, but Tesla’s vertical integration and charging infrastructure are massive advantages.

Whatever happens it’s going to be interesting and fun to watch.
Definitely will be interesting - not a fan of the pictures of this new model, but would like one of the others.

I suspect in a few years my cars won’t be allowed in the city any longer and with improvements in battery density (or whatever it is called), the cars will by that time hopefully be a real option for most driving (even higher speeds). Looking forward to what Porsche brings to market.

I like all cars that add something new and are not completely generic

emperorburger

23 posts

5 months

Friday 15th March
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RobDickinson said:
Typical retarded 1970s views of motoring and electric cars shown by the cretins of PH who all seem to drive a minimum of 1000 miles every single day whilst towing a caravan at 120 mph pissing into bottles because real company directors don't stop.

Say goodbye to your hydrocarbon polluting dinosaurs, they've a handful of years left.
Kindly toddle off back to the muppets over at electrek thank you very much, you will find the discussion on the model 3 high top much more to your tastes.

RobDickinson

25,238 posts

193 months

Friday 15th March
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emperorburger said:
Member Since 22nd October 2018
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yeah nah n00b

Cold

6,343 posts

29 months

Friday 15th March
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Talksteer said:
However the really big issue is that all the Tesla competitors are avoiding "production hell" by setting much lower production goals generally in the 10,000s at about the same time as Tesla will be delivering 1,000,000 premium cars.
One million? Really? I'm not sure they can afford to lose that much money. But I'd be interested to see the first premium car they eventually make - if it ever happens.

RobDickinson

25,238 posts

193 months

Friday 15th March
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Cold said:
One million? Really? I'm not sure they can afford to lose that much money. But I'd be interested to see the first premium car they eventually make - if it ever happens.
They'll be at 500k rates end of this year and 1m by 2021, the competition is already choking on their dust.

Cold

6,343 posts

29 months

Friday 15th March
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RobDickinson said:
They'll be at 500k rates end of this year and 1m by 2021, the competition is already choking on their dust.
Good one. thumbup

Baldchap

770 posts

31 months

Friday 15th March
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1876: “The Americans have need of the telephone, but we do not. We have plenty of messenger boys.” — William Preece, British Post Office.

1876: “This ‘telephone’ has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication.” — William Orton, President of Western Union.

1889: “Fooling around with alternating current (AC) is just a waste of time. Nobody will use it, ever.” — Thomas Edison

1903: “The horse is here to stay but the automobile is only a novelty – a fad.” — President of the Michigan Savings Bank advising Henry Ford’s lawyer, Horace Rackham, not to invest in the Ford Motor Company.

RobDickinson

25,238 posts

193 months

Friday 15th March
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Cold said:
RobDickinson said:
They'll be at 500k rates end of this year and 1m by 2021, the competition is already choking on their dust.
Good one. thumbup
I have validation for all my assumptions here and they have proved accurate in the past on this , what have you got?

ntiz

543 posts

75 months

Friday 15th March
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Haven’t they got massive amounts of stock at the moment because they are making more cars than they can sell??

Not actually reached 500,000 yet either. My experience is that a lot of people aren’t getting second Tesla after trying it.

Talksteer

3,309 posts

172 months

Saturday 16th March
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Jon_S_Rally said:
I wish people would stop pretending that this and the Model X are SUVs. How much ground clearance does it have exactly? Can it tow a caravan? 15-20 years ago, these would be identified as exactly what they are - people carriers/MPVs. It's just that SUV sounds more glamorous.

What might help them is if they drop all this sub-5 second 0-60 business to impress people. Make a Golf-sized EV that does 0-60 in 8-10 seconds, looks like a normal car, is built as well as a normal car, can do 5-600 miles between charges. and is priced like a normal car. That's the EV the general market actually needs, not something with "ludicrous" mode for children in adult bodies that have money to burn.
Range and performance go hand in hand on electric cars, once you fit a 75-150 KWh battery the cost to have ridiculous performance is actually pretty low in the region of £1000 in a larger motor and inverter. A more powerful electric car is not less efficient like a large engined ICE car is.

If they could get 5-600 miles out I'm sure they would but the value of doing so is not really there, in the US (never mind the UK) the average car travels over 300 miles on less than 1% of the days it is used.

Finally the Model 3 and Y will be able to charge at 250KW from the V3 supercharger, this means that adding 100 miles of range will take 6 minutes. How inconvenient is a 6 minute charge after 5 hours of driving?

redroadster

860 posts

171 months

Saturday 16th March
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Tesla have done really well established now and going from strength to strength ,not everyone needs huge daily ranges and overall there designs look good and talking to existing owners there customer services best around.

TomG75

20 posts

78 months

Saturday 16th March
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ICE vs EV.....lacking so much foresight.

When Karl Benz built the first horseless carriage, did he despair because it was slower than a horse, constantly broke down, needed maintenance every few kilometers and required fuel when there were no fuel stations in the world?

Do people who travel thousands of kilometers a week at high speed really not care about the impact they have on the planet and then have the audacity to go onto forums and highlight to others how lacking EV’s are? Do you really feel so insecure that you need to leave comments that might cause someone who would otherwise have bought an EV to not do so?

Most early adopters of EV are not idiots, they made a conscious choice to support something even if it means some personal sacrifice.

I am not a tree hugger, 2 car family and the second one is an Evoque (shock, horror eek ) which I am happy to drive without guilt keeping me up at night so I am not trying to shame anyone. Just really tired of pointless arguments about range and charge times. I have owned an EV for a year now and I have not spent a second waiting for it to charge, accept that there are millions of us who do not drive long distance and enjoy your ICE.

Hopefully the world doesn’t change too quickly because I still aspire to having an AC Cobra with a thundering V8 in my garage one day and knowing that any performance Tesla will outrun me effortlessly while being way more practical will not curb my enjoyment in the least.

skint_driver

106 posts

191 months

Saturday 16th March
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For those that think ICE vehicles have a long future...
When change starts happening, people overestimate what will happen in 1 year but underestimate what will happen in 10.






Ares

8,031 posts

59 months

Saturday 16th March
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MDL111 said:
Agreed - drove 930km last night and about 3,500km in the last week. V12 uses a lot of petrol, but at least it is capable of doing those trips while a Tesla would not be.
For people who only do short distances or have multiple daily type cars they might be an interesting option, but not really suitable for many people yet.

On topic - that one looks worse to my eyes than the other ones launched so far
Or rather, it suitable for the majority people, i.e this that don't regularly do journeys of over 300 miles. I'd guess that's 95% of the population, maybe more.


Ares

8,031 posts

59 months

Saturday 16th March
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Baldchap said:
Yet those of us who own them seem to manage just fine. In fact, a full 'tank' every morning is actually more convenient than having to go to a petrol station intermittently.

A 200 mile charge is 20 minutes. That's a real world 450 miles with a 20 minute break.

Edited by Baldchap on Friday 15th March 16:50
Which Mr V12 probably couldn't manage wink