RE: Tesla Model Y released
Discussion
Jon_S_Rally said:
Ares said:
Do SUVs have to have a minimum ground clearance and the ability to tow a caravan? Asking for a friend.
Is the basis of the SUV market now vehicles with off-road capability? Ask anyone what an SUV is and they will tell you that it's a big car designed to off-road. Of course most of them never do, but that's the identity of the segment, surely? A normal road car with a high roof line to allow it to carry more people and stuff (and possibly have seven seats) is an MPV. Tesla just don't want to admit that this and the Model X fall into that category, because Musk doesn't want to tell people he's made a minivan, because he knows no one would want one. Not that it matters if anyone wants one I suppose, because anyone who does will have to wait several years for him to get round to having it built I suspect.SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....etc
SUVs - Sports Utility Vehicles are higher cars that have an element of design about them (subjective, naturally) and a higher seating position and higher roofline than MPV, which are minvans/minibuses
skint_driver said:
Genuinely conflicted between this and the Polestar 2.
The PS2 is better looking but this thing will drive itself.
Think the self driving will win.
Fair enough. But the self driving bit really isn’t that good. I have AP1 on my cars and the latest AP2 on the loner I had for the last 2 weeks whilst they fix my car. It’s a liability at the best of times randomly smashing the breaks stuff like that. I wouldn’t let it be the decider personally.The PS2 is better looking but this thing will drive itself.
Think the self driving will win.
Just my opinion but my AP1 cars seems to have less mad moments.
When are the like of Mclaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc gonna realise that I only really drive my 2 kids to school and back each day, so all I need is a car that can do a 5 mile return journey plus the odd trip to the in-laws 50 miles away once a month. So I don't need a huge petrol tank, I don't need to do 0-60 in 3 seconds, I don't need to do 200mph+, but what I really need is a 4 seater, safe/comfy car that will go at least 50 miles without needing to refill/charge?
Honestly why do they keep building these silly supercars? Surely EVERYBODY in the world must have the same requirement as me, no?
Honestly why do they keep building these silly supercars? Surely EVERYBODY in the world must have the same requirement as me, no?
Ares said:
Repeat after me....
SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....etc
SUVs - Sports Utility Vehicles are higher cars that have an element of design about them (subjective, naturally) and a higher seating position and higher roofline than MPV, which are minvans/minibuses
I'm aware of the differences between an SUV and a traditional 4x4 but, apart from this and the Model X, which SUVs are sold without some off-road pretense? I am struggling to think of one. Every definition I've seen of an SUV suggests it has some off-road capability, or at least looks like it does. The two Tesla "SUVs" do not.SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....etc
SUVs - Sports Utility Vehicles are higher cars that have an element of design about them (subjective, naturally) and a higher seating position and higher roofline than MPV, which are minvans/minibuses
Some of the "stylish" SUVs are pushing the boundaries with big wheels and deep bumpers, but you can still see the off-road appearance. This looks like a saloon car with a high roof. Mostly because that's what it is.
humphra said:
aarondbs said:
It’s not a looker is it? I’m working over in the US this week and drove from Fort Lauderdale to Orlando and back yesterday. Fortunately in a SIXT 7 seat Mercedes GLS450. At 18mpg (and I was pulled over and given a warning for travelling at 97mph) I did need to fill up which was a matter of minutes.
My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in a Tesla. My meeting was on a downtown industrial estate and the hotel I am staying at does not have a charge point. I liked the noise the engine made in the Mercedes and I liked its slightly shonky character but these Teslas do nothing for me, and yes I have driven one, a P something or other saloon. They look cheap, feel cheap and are not cheap. All in my opinion of course.
And yes before anyone says it i do a journey like this at least once a week. Last week was Chesterfield to Cardiff and back arriving home at 2am and back in the office for 7am so again a Tesla and an Taxi May have been required!
Blimey, this touched a few nerves! Personally I think they're good points that have been made. Range, charging points and charging times are currently inhibitors to widespread adoption. Improvements are behind made, but the ICE still has the advantage for the time being. My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in a Tesla. My meeting was on a downtown industrial estate and the hotel I am staying at does not have a charge point. I liked the noise the engine made in the Mercedes and I liked its slightly shonky character but these Teslas do nothing for me, and yes I have driven one, a P something or other saloon. They look cheap, feel cheap and are not cheap. All in my opinion of course.
And yes before anyone says it i do a journey like this at least once a week. Last week was Chesterfield to Cardiff and back arriving home at 2am and back in the office for 7am so again a Tesla and an Taxi May have been required!
For people who only do short distances or have multiple daily type cars they might be an interesting option, but not really suitable for many people yet.
On topic - that one looks worse to my eyes than the other ones launched so far
I'm confused. I'm assuming it was not Musk who announced this but the Board/marketing team (else he'd be at risk of being slapped for being a naughty boy and being housed with other naughty boys), however why are they announcing new vehicles when they can't even produce enough of the present ones.
It has to be remembered, Tesla can not make enough of the 3 model, have laid off manufacturing staff and effectively reduced capacity in a factory where they have been accused multiple times of over-working their staff, are still in serious financial trouble (before you say they made a profit last year, they made a small profit on each car sold when comparing sales cost versus manufacturing costs, but they still increased their heavy debts, hence trying to cut other costs by dropping their retail outlets).
It has to be remembered, Tesla can not make enough of the 3 model, have laid off manufacturing staff and effectively reduced capacity in a factory where they have been accused multiple times of over-working their staff, are still in serious financial trouble (before you say they made a profit last year, they made a small profit on each car sold when comparing sales cost versus manufacturing costs, but they still increased their heavy debts, hence trying to cut other costs by dropping their retail outlets).
Yet those of us who own them seem to manage just fine. In fact, a full 'tank' every morning is actually more convenient than having to go to a petrol station intermittently.
A 200 mile charge is 20 minutes. That's a real world 450 miles with a 20 minute break.
A 200 mile charge is 20 minutes. That's a real world 450 miles with a 20 minute break.
Edited by Baldchap on Friday 15th March 16:50
Baldchap said:
Yet those of us who own them seem to manage just fine. In fact, a full 'tank' every morning is actually more convenient than having to go to a petrol station intermittently.
A 200 mile charge is 20 minutes. That's a real world 450 miles with a 20 minute break.
As said for many people probably ok, but Manage to drive more than 900 km in France/Italy and across the Brenner - in a snowstorm - and if you can do it anywhere close to the 8.5 hours i did it in last night, count me impressed and a convert (somebody in abig Diesel could do it even faster thanks to fewer refueling stops). I sometimes find it difficult enough to find decent petrol and did not see any charging points.A 200 mile charge is 20 minutes. That's a real world 450 miles with a 20 minute break.
Edited by Baldchap on Friday 15th March 16:50
I could see how it might work for my usual 150 km door to door drive if the batteries/range hold up well to hard acceleration and extended periods sitting at Autobahn speed. Will need to test drive one to judge real world range with this type of use. But then I could not have this as my only car and would basically need to add another one, incl parking for it etc. for the long distance trips.
Baldchap said:
A 200 mile charge is 20 minutes. That's a real world 450 miles with a 20 minute break.
thank youperfect time for that reply by PH user The Vambo (November 2017):
"This will be useless as I commute from Glasgow to Mogadishu twice a week nonstop and live on a lighthouse with no charging point."
humphra said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
.....when is someone going to admit that massive, distracting touchscreens in cars are utterly idiotic. Sooner or later, there's going to be a massive crash and it will turn out the driver who caused it was trying to change the temperature in the car, or find a good radio station, but had to take his/her eyes off the road to look at the screen. A screen in a car has its uses, but making it control most of the major functions is mental. The great thing about a good old fashioned knob is that you can operate it by touch alone, rather than having to look to see where exactly you're touching it. Until cars have fully autonomous capability, big screens remain a bad idea.
I've been wondering this myself. Mobile phones aren't allowed took be used, as they distract the driver from the road. Yet in built touchscreen systems are perfectly ok? I too have been wondering and waiting for that seismic event when all of a sudden they'll be banned......
Ares said:
I was in the US in January. I hired a GMC Yukon XL. I carried me and my 6 passengers, plus their luggage from the airport and around for 3 weeks. My journeys were pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the Alfa I have at home.
Later that same month, I was invited on a corporate track day. We were given Caterham 270s. My driving experience was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the GMC Yukon XL.
In February I was in a very cold snow covered Canada for a 4 day business trip. My client drove Mercedes G550. My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the Caterham 270.
Also in February, I had to drive 200 miles carrying 8 bikes in bike boxes plus 2 passengers. I hired a LWB Mercedes Sprinter. My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the G550.
Last weekend, I had to visit my parents along with my wife, daughter, her friend and our dog. We took my Alfa. My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the Merc Sprinter.
Next month I am going to Majorca on a cycling training camp, with 2 of my bikes. I am travelling in a plane. I predict my journey will be pleasant, anxious free and could not be achieved in any of the cars above.
Thank f
k for a wide choice of vehicles to suits each persons individual needs.
Brilliant post! +1000! Later that same month, I was invited on a corporate track day. We were given Caterham 270s. My driving experience was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the GMC Yukon XL.
In February I was in a very cold snow covered Canada for a 4 day business trip. My client drove Mercedes G550. My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the Caterham 270.
Also in February, I had to drive 200 miles carrying 8 bikes in bike boxes plus 2 passengers. I hired a LWB Mercedes Sprinter. My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the G550.
Last weekend, I had to visit my parents along with my wife, daughter, her friend and our dog. We took my Alfa. My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the Merc Sprinter.
Next month I am going to Majorca on a cycling training camp, with 2 of my bikes. I am travelling in a plane. I predict my journey will be pleasant, anxious free and could not be achieved in any of the cars above.
Thank f
k for a wide choice of vehicles to suits each persons individual needs.04helipilot said:
V3 supercharging rolling out now with charge rates of up to 75mile in 5 minutes 
This is off the pace compared to a normal car but not so off the pace to rule one out. I reckon in another 10yrs with more chargers these cars could be viable for most British motorists . Jon_S_Rally said:
Ares said:
Repeat after me....
SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....etc
SUVs - Sports Utility Vehicles are higher cars that have an element of design about them (subjective, naturally) and a higher seating position and higher roofline than MPV, which are minvans/minibuses
I'm aware of the differences between an SUV and a traditional 4x4 but, apart from this and the Model X, which SUVs are sold without some off-road pretense? I am struggling to think of one. Every definition I've seen of an SUV suggests it has some off-road capability, or at least looks like it does. The two Tesla "SUVs" do not.SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....etc
SUVs - Sports Utility Vehicles are higher cars that have an element of design about them (subjective, naturally) and a higher seating position and higher roofline than MPV, which are minvans/minibuses
Some of the "stylish" SUVs are pushing the boundaries with big wheels and deep bumpers, but you can still see the off-road appearance. This looks like a saloon car with a high roof. Mostly because that's what it is.
BMW X3
Audi Q3
All look like tall cars with big wheels.
Edited by 98elise on Friday 15th March 19:18
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