RE: Tesla Model Y released

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Ares

8,031 posts

59 months

Friday 15th March
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Jon_S_Rally said:
Ares said:
Do SUVs have to have a minimum ground clearance and the ability to tow a caravan? Asking for a friend.
Is the basis of the SUV market now vehicles with off-road capability? Ask anyone what an SUV is and they will tell you that it's a big car designed to off-road. Of course most of them never do, but that's the identity of the segment, surely? A normal road car with a high roof line to allow it to carry more people and stuff (and possibly have seven seats) is an MPV. Tesla just don't want to admit that this and the Model X fall into that category, because Musk doesn't want to tell people he's made a minivan, because he knows no one would want one. Not that it matters if anyone wants one I suppose, because anyone who does will have to wait several years for him to get round to having it built I suspect.
Repeat after me....

SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....etc

SUVs - Sports Utility Vehicles are higher cars that have an element of design about them (subjective, naturally) and a higher seating position and higher roofline than MPV, which are minvans/minibuses

Ares

8,031 posts

59 months

Friday 15th March
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Onehp said:
The day has come, I read a long post, I fully agreed and it was written by Ares! Didn't think that would happen wink

Amen sister wink

ntiz

543 posts

75 months

Friday 15th March
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skint_driver said:
Genuinely conflicted between this and the Polestar 2.
The PS2 is better looking but this thing will drive itself.

Think the self driving will win.
Fair enough. But the self driving bit really isn’t that good. I have AP1 on my cars and the latest AP2 on the loner I had for the last 2 weeks whilst they fix my car. It’s a liability at the best of times randomly smashing the breaks stuff like that. I wouldn’t let it be the decider personally.

Just my opinion but my AP1 cars seems to have less mad moments.

Midgster

355 posts

173 months

Friday 15th March
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When are the like of Mclaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc gonna realise that I only really drive my 2 kids to school and back each day, so all I need is a car that can do a 5 mile return journey plus the odd trip to the in-laws 50 miles away once a month. So I don't need a huge petrol tank, I don't need to do 0-60 in 3 seconds, I don't need to do 200mph+, but what I really need is a 4 seater, safe/comfy car that will go at least 50 miles without needing to refill/charge?

Honestly why do they keep building these silly supercars? Surely EVERYBODY in the world must have the same requirement as me, no?


Jon_S_Rally

223 posts

27 months

Friday 15th March
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Ares said:
Repeat after me....

SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....SUVs are not 4x4s/off-roaders....etc

SUVs - Sports Utility Vehicles are higher cars that have an element of design about them (subjective, naturally) and a higher seating position and higher roofline than MPV, which are minvans/minibuses
I'm aware of the differences between an SUV and a traditional 4x4 but, apart from this and the Model X, which SUVs are sold without some off-road pretense? I am struggling to think of one. Every definition I've seen of an SUV suggests it has some off-road capability, or at least looks like it does. The two Tesla "SUVs" do not.

Some of the "stylish" SUVs are pushing the boundaries with big wheels and deep bumpers, but you can still see the off-road appearance. This looks like a saloon car with a high roof. Mostly because that's what it is.
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MDL111

3,248 posts

116 months

Friday 15th March
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humphra said:
aarondbs said:
It’s not a looker is it? I’m working over in the US this week and drove from Fort Lauderdale to Orlando and back yesterday. Fortunately in a SIXT 7 seat Mercedes GLS450. At 18mpg (and I was pulled over and given a warning for travelling at 97mph) I did need to fill up which was a matter of minutes.

My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in a Tesla. My meeting was on a downtown industrial estate and the hotel I am staying at does not have a charge point. I liked the noise the engine made in the Mercedes and I liked its slightly shonky character but these Teslas do nothing for me, and yes I have driven one, a P something or other saloon. They look cheap, feel cheap and are not cheap. All in my opinion of course.

And yes before anyone says it i do a journey like this at least once a week. Last week was Chesterfield to Cardiff and back arriving home at 2am and back in the office for 7am so again a Tesla and an Taxi May have been required!
Blimey, this touched a few nerves! Personally I think they're good points that have been made. Range, charging points and charging times are currently inhibitors to widespread adoption. Improvements are behind made, but the ICE still has the advantage for the time being.
Agreed - drove 930km last night and about 3,500km in the last week. V12 uses a lot of petrol, but at least it is capable of doing those trips while a Tesla would not be.
For people who only do short distances or have multiple daily type cars they might be an interesting option, but not really suitable for many people yet.

On topic - that one looks worse to my eyes than the other ones launched so far

Cold

6,343 posts

29 months

Friday 15th March
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Mark-C said:
ukaskew said:
"Note the lack of instruments"

And then, er, no pictures of the interior.
Why do you need pictures - there'll be an ergonomic disaster of a flat screen stuck in the middle of the dash ...
That's highly unlikely though. It'll be fine.

Oh...


fblm

15,890 posts

202 months

Friday 15th March
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Think it looks great for the school run. I HATE these 'orrible flat screens in the middle of the dash though. Ugh.

dapprman

754 posts

206 months

Friday 15th March
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I'm confused. I'm assuming it was not Musk who announced this but the Board/marketing team (else he'd be at risk of being slapped for being a naughty boy and being housed with other naughty boys), however why are they announcing new vehicles when they can't even produce enough of the present ones.

It has to be remembered, Tesla can not make enough of the 3 model, have laid off manufacturing staff and effectively reduced capacity in a factory where they have been accused multiple times of over-working their staff, are still in serious financial trouble (before you say they made a profit last year, they made a small profit on each car sold when comparing sales cost versus manufacturing costs, but they still increased their heavy debts, hence trying to cut other costs by dropping their retail outlets).

Baldchap

770 posts

31 months

Friday 15th March
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Yet those of us who own them seem to manage just fine. In fact, a full 'tank' every morning is actually more convenient than having to go to a petrol station intermittently.

A 200 mile charge is 20 minutes. That's a real world 450 miles with a 20 minute break.

Edited by Baldchap on Friday 15th March 16:50

howardhughes

289 posts

143 months

Friday 15th March
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I've seen more personality and looks in a jellyfish.
0-60 in 3.5 seconds. Life changing then.



MDL111

3,248 posts

116 months

Friday 15th March
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Baldchap said:
Yet those of us who own them seem to manage just fine. In fact, a full 'tank' every morning is actually more convenient than having to go to a petrol station intermittently.

A 200 mile charge is 20 minutes. That's a real world 450 miles with a 20 minute break.

Edited by Baldchap on Friday 15th March 16:50
As said for many people probably ok, but Manage to drive more than 900 km in France/Italy and across the Brenner - in a snowstorm - and if you can do it anywhere close to the 8.5 hours i did it in last night, count me impressed and a convert (somebody in abig Diesel could do it even faster thanks to fewer refueling stops). I sometimes find it difficult enough to find decent petrol and did not see any charging points.

I could see how it might work for my usual 150 km door to door drive if the batteries/range hold up well to hard acceleration and extended periods sitting at Autobahn speed. Will need to test drive one to judge real world range with this type of use. But then I could not have this as my only car and would basically need to add another one, incl parking for it etc. for the long distance trips.

unsprung

2,680 posts

63 months

Friday 15th March
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Baldchap said:
A 200 mile charge is 20 minutes. That's a real world 450 miles with a 20 minute break.
thank you

perfect time for that reply by PH user The Vambo (November 2017):

"This will be useless as I commute from Glasgow to Mogadishu twice a week nonstop and live on a lighthouse with no charging point."






04helipilot

290 posts

90 months

Friday 15th March
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humphra said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
.....when is someone going to admit that massive, distracting touchscreens in cars are utterly idiotic. Sooner or later, there's going to be a massive crash and it will turn out the driver who caused it was trying to change the temperature in the car, or find a good radio station, but had to take his/her eyes off the road to look at the screen. A screen in a car has its uses, but making it control most of the major functions is mental. The great thing about a good old fashioned knob is that you can operate it by touch alone, rather than having to look to see where exactly you're touching it. Until cars have fully autonomous capability, big screens remain a bad idea.
I've been wondering this myself. Mobile phones aren't allowed took be used, as they distract the driver from the road. Yet in built touchscreen systems are perfectly ok? I too have been wondering and waiting for that seismic event when all of a sudden they'll be banned......
You can control most things on the steering wheel/dash pod.

04helipilot

290 posts

90 months

Friday 15th March
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kmpowell said:
... with no supercharging network.
V3 supercharging rolling out now with charge rates of up to 75mile in 5 minutes cool

crofty1984

13,071 posts

143 months

Friday 15th March
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essayer said:
dazwalsh said:
7 seats with that roofline? Give over.
I can’t even imagine my dog in the back, let alone two extra seats
I did think that. Love Tesla but I imagine the rearmost seats are only suitable for headless toddlers.

BlackPrince

1,155 posts

108 months

Friday 15th March
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Ares said:
I was in the US in January. I hired a GMC Yukon XL. I carried me and my 6 passengers, plus their luggage from the airport and around for 3 weeks. My journeys were pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the Alfa I have at home.

Later that same month, I was invited on a corporate track day. We were given Caterham 270s. My driving experience was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the GMC Yukon XL.

In February I was in a very cold snow covered Canada for a 4 day business trip. My client drove Mercedes G550. My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the Caterham 270.

Also in February, I had to drive 200 miles carrying 8 bikes in bike boxes plus 2 passengers. I hired a LWB Mercedes Sprinter. My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the G550.

Last weekend, I had to visit my parents along with my wife, daughter, her friend and our dog. We took my Alfa. My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the Merc Sprinter.

Next month I am going to Majorca on a cycling training camp, with 2 of my bikes. I am travelling in a plane. I predict my journey will be pleasant, anxious free and could not be achieved in any of the cars above.


Thank fk for a wide choice of vehicles to suits each persons individual needs.
Brilliant post! +1000!

cmoose

43,896 posts

168 months

Friday 15th March
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Styling surely a little off key.

They're describing this as an SUV, but surely nobody looking at this unprompted would conclude 'SUV'. And you'd think it would have to look predominantly SUV to get the SUV market, given there's little to no actual substance to the mainstream SUV market these days...?

st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Friday 15th March
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04helipilot said:
V3 supercharging rolling out now with charge rates of up to 75mile in 5 minutes cool
This is off the pace compared to a normal car but not so off the pace to rule one out. I reckon in another 10yrs with more chargers these cars could be viable for most British motorists .

FerrariGuy007

32 posts

33 months

Friday 15th March
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I was thinking maybe just add manual gear box and na engine and this should be good?