Birmingham Crash
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2 Children dead, Audi S3 drove away from the scene and driver of Bentley continental arrested for dangerous driving.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/liv...
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/liv...
u04pww2 said:
2 Children dead, Audi S3 drove away from the scene and driver of Bentley continental arrested for dangerous driving.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/liv...
It reads like the Audi and Bentley were racing/vying for the same road space.https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/liv...
Doesn't look like the Bentley hit anything so it seems a fair guess he was arrested for being suspected of racing the Audi. Or it might just be a default move by the police?
Have to say I'm surprised two children died in the BMW looking at those pics. Maybe the strength of the car masked the violence of the impact. I'll certainly be checking my daughters seat over later in any case.
Have to say I'm surprised two children died in the BMW looking at those pics. Maybe the strength of the car masked the violence of the impact. I'll certainly be checking my daughters seat over later in any case.
Krikkit said:
Perhaps the kids weren't wearing seatbelts? I concurr that it doesn't look that damaged.
I'd rather not speculate but that was my first thought. As a bike commuter (motor/push) the number of unrestrained children I see (around South and South East London admittedly) often exceeds the number that are correctly restrained.buggalugs said:
Have to say I'm surprised two children died in the BMW looking at those pics. Maybe the strength of the car masked the violence of the impact. I'll certainly be checking my daughters seat over later in any case.
Looks plenty damaged to me. There’s not much to stop a child’s head from moving around in a heavy side impact.gazza285 said:
buggalugs said:
Have to say I'm surprised two children died in the BMW looking at those pics. Maybe the strength of the car masked the violence of the impact. I'll certainly be checking my daughters seat over later in any case.
Looks plenty damaged to me. There’s not much to stop a child’s head from moving around in a heavy side impact.Awful news. Devastating for the family to lose kids needlessly.
Re: point about child seats (which were apparently in the car) are often poorly fitted, and having bulky coats on can reduce effectiveness. Not sure airbags will be that useful for kids, especially toddlers.
Coming here from the other thread (bemoaning lack of road policing) i'm not sure this would prevent it, because a) it would end up in a chase situation (so as dangerous) and b) cost would be prohibitive to have police anywhere road racing could occur (it will just move).
The answer will of course be physical speed reduction devices, and more cameras.
Not sure what else will work..education seems to be pointless, other than physically limiting car speeds, which I wouldn't obviously support, (but if I had just had both my kids killed this way, hmmm, I could probably be convinced)
Re: point about child seats (which were apparently in the car) are often poorly fitted, and having bulky coats on can reduce effectiveness. Not sure airbags will be that useful for kids, especially toddlers.
Coming here from the other thread (bemoaning lack of road policing) i'm not sure this would prevent it, because a) it would end up in a chase situation (so as dangerous) and b) cost would be prohibitive to have police anywhere road racing could occur (it will just move).
The answer will of course be physical speed reduction devices, and more cameras.
Not sure what else will work..education seems to be pointless, other than physically limiting car speeds, which I wouldn't obviously support, (but if I had just had both my kids killed this way, hmmm, I could probably be convinced)
If one child was 10, then probably no child seat of any sort. That road is pretty notorious for bad driving and idiots racing each other. Quite a lot of lights along there too, so tempts some to floor it and try and beat the next set. Is a 40mph dual carriageway affair, with quite a few cameras, but only problem is that they've been turned off to save money, and most of the locals know they're not functional.
Tom _M said:
If one child was 10, then probably no child seat of any sort. That road is pretty notorious for bad driving and idiots racing each other. Quite a lot of lights along there too, so tempts some to floor it and try and beat the next set. Is a 40mph dual carriageway affair, with quite a few cameras, but only problem is that they've been turned off to save money, and most of the locals know they're not functional.
Speed cameras turned off to save money?Never heard that one before. Certainly goes against the oft-cited belief on here that they are only ever put in place to make money
TwistingMyMelon said:
Ive seen a few cars that "dont look too bad" only to find out the occupant has died.
Impossible to tell from pictures
And vice versa...Impossible to tell from pictures
...wavy screen.
Teenager passenger jet in best mate's Dad's Triumph 2000, best mate at wheel.
Rolls it, car on roof, we crawl out and go in search of civilisation i.e. house or phone box, 'twas in the country.
Return to car and find very relieved looking coppers who had already arrived.
They said from the state of the car they expected to find dead'uns. The car was a write off.
Shakermaker said:
Speed cameras turned off to save money?
Never heard that one before. Certainly goes against the oft-cited belief on here that they are only ever put in place to make money
Is it not more a case of those bearing the expense no longer benefiting adequately from the income generated?Never heard that one before. Certainly goes against the oft-cited belief on here that they are only ever put in place to make money
Shakermaker said:
Speed cameras turned off to save money?
Never heard that one before. Certainly goes against the oft-cited belief on here that they are only ever put in place to make money
Depends on area I think. Was mainly due to cost upgrade to digital Never heard that one before. Certainly goes against the oft-cited belief on here that they are only ever put in place to make money
Some here
More recent and elsewhere
Older article too, but only around 1/2 of fixed cameras operational Here
Edited by Tom _M on Friday 15th March 13:27
jet_noise said:
TwistingMyMelon said:
Ive seen a few cars that "dont look too bad" only to find out the occupant has died.
Impossible to tell from pictures
And vice versa...Impossible to tell from pictures
...wavy screen.
Teenager passenger jet in best mate's Dad's Triumph 2000, best mate at wheel.
Rolls it, car on roof, we crawl out and go in search of civilisation i.e. house or phone box, 'twas in the country.
Return to car and find very relieved looking coppers who had already arrived.
They said from the state of the car they expected to find dead'uns. The car was a write off.
BBC Website said:
The crash happened on a road covered by an injunction forbidding people from so-called car cruising.
Prohibited activities include speeding, driving in convoy, racing and performing stunts between the hours of 15:00 and 07:00.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47582763Prohibited activities include speeding, driving in convoy, racing and performing stunts between the hours of 15:00 and 07:00.
What??? Why would an injunction prevent doing things that are against the law in the first place? Presumably you can't speed, race or do stunts at any time?
u04pww2 said:
2 Children dead, Audi S3 drove away from the scene and driver of Bentley continental arrested for dangerous driving.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/liv...
Very sad situation. I see so many cars with children not strapped in. Parents need to wake up!!!! My kids used to grumble occasionally about seat belts, just ignore the moans. Not saying this is the case with this incident. https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/liv...
The S3 driver must of run for it as the Audi is in the video clip.
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